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The Mediterranean Race in Arabia

idklolimo

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The Mediterranean Race in Arabia



The Mediterranean race, in the widest sense, is one of the two basic divisions of the white stock. Although varying greatly in stature, different varieties of Mediterraneans do not, as types, attain the bulk, either in head or body size, of the unreduced Upper Palaeolithic group; tall Mediterraneans, whether or not depigmented (partially depigmented Mediterraneans are Nordics) are usually slender. Small or moderate statured Mediterraneans are as a rule less lateral in build than reduced Upper Palaeolithic survivors.

The homeland of the Mediterranean race appears to lie somewhere between East Africa and the Mediterranean, between the Indian Ocean and the Caspian Sea, and between the Egyptian Delta and India. Arabia is centrally located within this general territory, and the parts of Arabia lying west and north of the Ruba' el Khali desert seem to be basic Mediterranean territory.

FIG. 1 (2 views). A youthful Yemeni from the desert-border tribe of Hadha. Facially he is a perfect example of a refined Mediterranean type; his head length is a little short, his stature a little tall, for the mean. He is a brunet-white in unexposed skin color, brunet in hair and eye color; narrower-faced than any of the Upper Palaeolithic survivors, reduced or unreduced, whom we have seen in the preceding plates. His forehead and jaw are both consistently narrow. It is a characteristic of the Mediterranean race, as of this individual, that the upper face height and nose height are great, no matter how small the other dimensions. Imagine this individual pink-skinned, blue-eyed, and blond-haired, and you will have a close approximation to a Nordic. There is no essential difference between the two races other than pigmentation. Both, however, are separated by a wide racial gap from the Upper Palaeolithic group.
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FIG. 2 (2 views). Another Yemeni highlander, in this case from the escarpment tribe of Beni Madhar. This man is shorter in stature, and much longer-headed. He is mixed in eye color; some 25 per cent of all pure brunet Mediterranean groups possess a trace of incipient blondism. The cranial and facial dimensions of this individual resemble those of the larger, Atlanto-Mediterranean strain as found in western Europe and North Africa. In Arabia the two are not clearly differentiated.
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FIG. 3 (2 views). A Yemeni soldier from the tribe of Khaulan, which goes back historically to Sabaean times. Metrically a perfect Mediterranean central type, this individual possesses a thin, aquiline nose of a type found frequently but by no means exclusively among Arabs.
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FIG. 4 (2 views, photo Henry Field. Courtesy of the Field Museum of Natural History, Chicago). A Ruwalla Bedawin, a member of an aristocratic tribe of camel breeders who inhabit the Syrian desert. The Ruwalla, more brunet than the Yemenis, resemble them closely in most respects.
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FIG. 5 (2 views, photo Henry Field. Courtesy of the Field Museum of Natural History, Chicago). A Solubbi; member of a small group of desert wanderers and outcasts who inhabit the North Arabian desert, travelling in small family groups and serving as hunters and tinkers for the Bedawin. They are the purest Mediterraneans in northern Arabia, and probably represent an extremely ancient element in the North Arabian population. This Solubbi may be considered a classical Mediterranean.
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FIG. 6 (2 views, photo Henry Field. From Field, Henry, Arabs of Central Iraq, Anth. Mem. of the Field Museum of Natural History, vol. 4, 1935, Plate LXXX). A tall Mediterranean from Iraq. The Iraqians, who are apparently direct and unaltered descendants of the ancient Mesopotamians, are Mediterraneans. They are, however, on the whole taller, darker-skinned, longer-faced, and straighter-haired than the Arabs.
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RobGorman

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Arabid is a Pure Caucasoid phenotype, the purest arabids live in Qatar, Oman, and Saudi-Arabia, but all these gulf arab nations are being flooded with Australoid Dravidian/Indians, Negroid Sub-Saharan Africans, and Mongoloid Turanid/Turks, having the Kalergi Plan targeting their nation, just as it is with every nations in europe.
 

Ponto

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Someone has to keep the streets clean, pick up the garbage, be janitors and provide unskilled manual labor. Why not Indians, black Africans, and East Asiatics? As far as Europe goes, it is their own fault, not producing enough children, buying cheap foreign goods, using cheap guest workers, and not doing enough for their own industries. Since Malta joined the E.U the same thing is happening there.
 

Ponto

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The Mediterranean Race in Arabia



The Mediterranean race, in the widest sense, is one of the two basic divisions of the white stock. Although varying greatly in stature, different varieties of Mediterraneans do not, as types, attain the bulk, either in head or body size, of the unreduced Upper Palaeolithic group; tall Mediterraneans, whether or not depigmented (partially depigmented Mediterraneans are Nordics) are usually slender. Small or moderate statured Mediterraneans are as a rule less lateral in build than reduced Upper Palaeolithic survivors.

The homeland of the Mediterranean race appears to lie somewhere between East Africa and the Mediterranean, between the Indian Ocean and the Caspian Sea, and between the Egyptian Delta and India. Arabia is centrally located within this general territory, and the parts of Arabia lying west and north of the Ruba' el Khali desert seem to be basic Mediterranean territory.

FIG. 1 (2 views). A youthful Yemeni from the desert-border tribe of Hadha. Facially he is a perfect example of a refined Mediterranean type; his head length is a little short, his stature a little tall, for the mean. He is a brunet-white in unexposed skin color, brunet in hair and eye color; narrower-faced than any of the Upper Palaeolithic survivors, reduced or unreduced, whom we have seen in the preceding plates. His forehead and jaw are both consistently narrow. It is a characteristic of the Mediterranean race, as of this individual, that the upper face height and nose height are great, no matter how small the other dimensions. Imagine this individual pink-skinned, blue-eyed, and blond-haired, and you will have a close approximation to a Nordic. There is no essential difference between the two races other than pigmentation. Both, however, are separated by a wide racial gap from the Upper Palaeolithic group.
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FIG. 2 (2 views). Another Yemeni highlander, in this case from the escarpment tribe of Beni Madhar. This man is shorter in stature, and much longer-headed. He is mixed in eye color; some 25 per cent of all pure brunet Mediterranean groups possess a trace of incipient blondism. The cranial and facial dimensions of this individual resemble those of the larger, Atlanto-Mediterranean strain as found in western Europe and North Africa. In Arabia the two are not clearly differentiated.
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FIG. 3 (2 views). A Yemeni soldier from the tribe of Khaulan, which goes back historically to Sabaean times. Metrically a perfect Mediterranean central type, this individual possesses a thin, aquiline nose of a type found frequently but by no means exclusively among Arabs.
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FIG. 4 (2 views, photo Henry Field. Courtesy of the Field Museum of Natural History, Chicago). A Ruwalla Bedawin, a member of an aristocratic tribe of camel breeders who inhabit the Syrian desert. The Ruwalla, more brunet than the Yemenis, resemble them closely in most respects.
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FIG. 5 (2 views, photo Henry Field. Courtesy of the Field Museum of Natural History, Chicago). A Solubbi; member of a small group of desert wanderers and outcasts who inhabit the North Arabian desert, travelling in small family groups and serving as hunters and tinkers for the Bedawin. They are the purest Mediterraneans in northern Arabia, and probably represent an extremely ancient element in the North Arabian population. This Solubbi may be considered a classical Mediterranean.
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FIG. 6 (2 views, photo Henry Field. From Field, Henry, Arabs of Central Iraq, Anth. Mem. of the Field Museum of Natural History, vol. 4, 1935, Plate LXXX). A tall Mediterranean from Iraq. The Iraqians, who are apparently direct and unaltered descendants of the ancient Mesopotamians, are Mediterraneans. They are, however, on the whole taller, darker-skinned, longer-faced, and straighter-haired than the Arabs.
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In my opinion those men are not a good representation of people of Arabia. The Solubba are just like trailer park trash, sort of like gypsies in Europe.
 

Ponto

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Well how do you know this? My interest in odd looking Spaniards is low. I think that the overarching group Mediterranean Race should be scrapped, just go with the regional form in each country for long headed brunet types. It would have been better had those people in the old photos been dna tested than just looking at those antique pictures.
 
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IberoTarasco

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Arabids were classified as a Mediterranean type by Coon.

But IMO, Med types are only Southern European types like Atlanto-Mediterranean, Berid, Gracile-Mediterranean, Litorid or Dinaro-Mediterranean, Canarid, & Pontid.

Also Cappadocian Mediterranean is also Med, Berberid is maybe Med or partially Med too.

Arabid is a MENA type, like Iranid & Armenoid.
 

Ponto

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Arabids were classified as a Mediterranean type by Coon.

But IMO, Med types are only Southern European types like Atlanto-Mediterranean, Berid, Gracile-Mediterranean, Litorid or Dinaro-Mediterranean, Canarid, & Pontid.

Also Cappadocian Mediterranean is also Med, Berberid is maybe Med or partially Med too.

Arabid is a MENA type, like Iranid & Armenoid.
Well Coon is dead. The Mediterranean category includes a lot of ethnic groups that are admixed with other races which is the problem with that overarching racial term. I believe Coon was looking at Bedouins especially in Yemen. Desert dwellers in Arabia tend to be less admixed, own less foreign slaves. He also looked at the skin color of body areas that are covered by clothing, like the skin of the inner arm. When ordinary people look at Arabians they are looking at their dark faces, not the skin tone of the skin of the inner arm.
I think the underlying question to the ordinary folks is whether those ethnic groups are Caucasoid or admixed.
 

Ponto

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In Europe, Mediterranean ancestry is from Anatolian farmers, and Europeans with the highest Anatolian farmer ancestry are Southern Europeans. In the Middle East, there is more Levantine farmer ancestry, whether that equates to Mediterranean Caucasoid is up to those capable of making the judgement. The point is what the main contributor to Mediterranean Caucasoid ancestry varies regionally.
 

Kurdquistador

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In Europe, Mediterranean ancestry is from Anatolian farmers, and Europeans with the highest Anatolian farmer ancestry are Southern Europeans. In the Middle East, there is more Levantine farmer ancestry, whether that equates to Mediterranean Caucasoid is up to those capable of making the judgement. The point is what the main contributor to Mediterranean Caucasoid ancestry varies regionally.

levant farmer is half anatolian farmer half natufian more or less .and even with that we score more anatolian farmer than levant farmer . at least that is true for northern west asia . so ultimately our med source is also anatolian farmer
 

Ponto

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Those three farming groups, the Anatolian, the Levantine and the W Iranian were very genetically different before they intermixed. Phenotypically, we only have reconstructions which appear to look Caucasoid. I don't think that would assuage the bigots.
The SSA ancestry in Natufian hunter gatherers is over exaggerated. Most of their SSA like ancestry comes from North African HG, and there are doubts that their SSA ancestry is actually SSA as the North African HG were often penetrating west SSA rather than the other way round.
 

Ponto

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Say what you want, friend. I don't agree. The Sahara was a formidble barrier for those tropical SSAs and even during the green periods, the SSAs didn't penetrate that far north. It might surprise you, but SSAs are not indigenous to North Africa, they are immigrants. The Europeans in South Africa are immigrants, but so are most of the SSAs there, the Zulu, the Xhosa, the indigenous people are Khoi Khoi and San.
 

Kurdquistador

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Where

That would make CHG whiter than ANF.



"The phenotypic attributes of GD13a are similar to the neighbouring Anatolian early farmers and Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers. Based on diagnostic SNPs, she had dark, black hair and brown eyes (see Supplementary). She lacked the derived variant (rs16891982) of the SLC45A2 gene associated with light skin pigmentation but likely had at least one copy of the derived SLC24A5 allele (rs1426654) associated with the same trait. The derived SLC24A5 variant has been found in both Neolithic farmer and Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer groups5,15,24 suggesting that it was already at appreciable frequency before these populations diverged. Finally, she did not have the most common European variant of the LCT gene (rs4988235) associated with the ability to digest raw milk, consistent with the later emergence of this adaptation5,15,21."
 
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