The Mediterranean Race in Arabia

[Ben Dover]

Considering the fact that Iran_N had AASI, Natufian and SSA shift, it's hard to believe that it looked similar to ANF and CHG.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Considering the fact that Iran_N had AASI, Natufian and SSA shift, it's hard to believe that it looked similar to ANF and CHG.

it only has a little shift to them relative to CHG

like i said before an Austrian will have al ittle shift towards saudis when you take Norwegian as base . but norwegians and austrians still look similar with austtrians being overall a little darker . and it would be idiotic to say austtrians are saudi like .

 

[Ponto]

Hang on a minute. How was this shift to Natufian, SSA and AASI detected?

 

[Ben Dover]

Through qpAdm. The shift is also evident on G25.

 

[Kurdquistador]

shall i post pics of people who according to my analysis are roughly what Iran N looked like ? or not . because if nobody will read what i say or care then i dont want to bother

 

[Ben Dover]

shall i post pics of people who according to my analysis are roughly what Iran N looked like ? or not . because if nobody will read what i say or care then i dont want to bother

You've already posted those pictures.

 

[Ponto]

Natufian is associated with the SSA. discussion is over

I keep an open mind and use a little skepticism. My science background makes me want to verify what others have concluded.

 

[Ponto]

shall i post pics of people who according to my analysis are roughly what Iran N looked like ? or not . because if nobody will read what i say or care then i dont want to bother

There aren't that many folks here to see or read our wonderful handiwork.

 

[Ponto]

Through qpAdm. The shift is also evident on G25.

Okay, thank you. I have yet to use qpAdm. This is someone's effort using qpAdm. Is it accurate? I have been using G25, and I had found that Central, West and North Europeans have neither IRN_N nor Natufian ancestry. Yet this man's qpAdm shows that all Europeans have IRN_N ancestry.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Okay, thank you. I have yet to use qpAdm. This is someone's effort using qpAdm. Is it accurate? I have been using G25, and I had found that Central, West and North Europeans have neither IRN_N nor Natufian ancestry. Yet this man's qpAdm shows that all Europeans have IRN_N ancestry.View attachment 6319

thanks a lot for posting this mate

 

[Beowulf]

franco was partly italian??? It's the first time i hear that, interesting

Francisco Franco was a quarter gypsitalian that’s the why he have an Arabid phenotype

 

[Ben Dover]

So georgian do get only 30% CHG after all. My perception of populations have changed from now on.

 

[Kurdquistador]

So georgian do get only 30% CHG after all. My perception of populations have changed from now on.

it seems this calculator : https://www.anthroworldforum.com/threads/post-your-puntdnal-k12-near-east-results.732/

gives the closest results to qpAdm . it lacks CHG unfortunately but the lack of it get compromised by other components . here the spreadsheet : http://up.picr.de/44604697bl.jpg?rand=1666986494

 

[Ben Dover]

it seems this calculator : https://www.anthroworldforum.com/threads/post-your-puntdnal-k12-near-east-results.732/

gives the closest results to qpAdm . it lacks CHG unfortunately but the lack of it get compromised by other components . here the spreadsheet : http://up.picr.de/44604697bl.jpg?rand=1666986494

How come Assyrians have the same EHG as you on that calc

 

[Kurdquistador]

How come Assyrians have the same EHG as you on that calc

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Ben Dover]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's not as accurate as you thought don't you think.

 

[Nassbean]

Say what you want, friend. I don't agree. The Sahara was a formidble barrier for those tropical SSAs and even during the green periods, the SSAs didn't penetrate that far north. It might surprise you, but SSAs are not indigenous to North Africa, they are immigrants. The Europeans in South Africa are immigrants, but so are most of the SSAs there, the Zulu, the Xhosa, the indigenous people are Khoi Khoi and San.

Depends on how you define "North Africa" but negroid-like skulls were found all over the Sahara and the SSA-like ancestors of Iberomaurusians certainly would have looked "black" by our standards. Also Nazlet Khater in Egypt was described as negroid.

 

[Nassbean]

Okay, thank you. I have yet to use qpAdm. This is someone's effort using qpAdm. Is it accurate? I have been using G25, and I had found that Central, West and North Europeans have neither IRN_N nor Natufian ancestry. Yet this man's qpAdm shows that all Europeans have IRN_N ancestry.View attachment 6319

There is a problem with his average moroccan since the average certainly do not have only 13% IAM and 20% SSA wtf

Average based on 86 samples from all over Morocco is : 42 % ANF, 0.7% Dinka, 1.1% CHG, 1.6% Iran_N, 7.4% natufian, 31.3% IBM/IAM, 1.1% WHG, 8.1% steppe (yamna) and 6.6% Yoruba

Average

0.02643019

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42.0

0.7

1.1

1.6

7.4

31.3

1.1

8.1

6.6

 

[Nassbean]

Are the northernmost Africans 1/8 SSA? @Nassbean

no they are more than that around 15-25% but this includes ANA if only considering west african ancestry then they are only 6-7%

 

[Kurdquistador]

There is a problem with his average moroccan since the average certainly do not have only 13% IAM and 20% SSA wtf

Average based on 86 samples from all over Morocco is : 42 % ANF, 0.7% Dinka, 1.1% CHG, 1.6% Iran_N, 7.4% natufian, 31.3% IBM/IAM, 1.1% WHG, 8.1% steppe (yamna) and 6.6% Yoruba

Average

0.02643019

•

42.0

0.7

1.1

1.6

7.4

31.3

1.1

8.1

6.6

ponto posted qpAdm not G25 . qpAdm is more accurate than G25

however i wonder about some models in the list because of their p value