Eurogenes K12b thread

[Ben Dover]

it would be good if someone puts the k12b results of these ancient southern levantines so we compare but at least some of this east african component might be ancient for some levantine groups :

The History of African Gene Flow into Southern Europeans, Levantines, and Jews

Author Summary Southern Europeans and Middle Eastern populations are known to have inherited a small percentage of their genetic material from recent sub-Saharan African migrations, but there has been no estimate of the exact proportion of this gene flow, or of its date. Here, we apply genomic...

journals.plos.org

It's interesting that they would claim that much SSA ancestry for all those ethnicities mentioned above. Especially for Mizrahis. I don't know how much SSA Ashkenazis and Sephardics have, the number would greatly vary but at least the admix calcs don't detect 3-5% SSA for Mizrahis. It would make more sense if Ashkenazis and Sephardics had more SSA but I doubt that even they have as much as 5% SSA. I believe even Samaritans don't score any SSA so why would Northern West Asian Mizrahis score any more than them? It's interesting...

 

[Nassbean]

It's interesting that they would claim that much SSA ancestry for all those ethnicities mentioned above. Especially for Mizrahis. I don't know how much SSA Ashkenazis and Sephardics have, the number would greatly vary but at least the admix calcs don't detect 3-5% SSA for Mizrahis. It would make more sense if Ashkenazis and Sephardics had more SSA but I doubt that even they have as much as 5% SSA. I believe even Samaritans don't score any SSA so why would Northern West Asian Mizrahis score any more than them? It's interesting...

As they pointed out, it wasn't initially detected in previous studies but with a deeper and more refined analysis they are able to detect such signal. The same thing happened for Iberians with more recent studies highlighting an old SSA signal.

anyway a bit off topic but people should really avoid treating SSA ancestry as some kind of parasite component ...the way these people are alienated just goes too far sometimes. There is also this tendency to put every type of SSA ancestry in the same bag/under the same label meanwhile there is more genetic diversity in this part of the world than in any other part.

 

[Ben Dover]

All I am saying is that 3-5 % is a lot. Especially for Mizrahis🙂 it would be interesting to see what k12b would show in this regards

 

[ImHere]

Talking of jews, i got some few samples

 

[Ben Dover]

Talking of jews, i got some few samples

As long as you post Mizrahis

 

[ImHere]

Some sort of jew(surname is "askenazi" and his FB friends with same surname seems to be jews) (SNP: 50K):

Western European	11.3 Pct​
Siberian	-​
East African	2.29 Pct​
West Central Asian	6.65 Pct​
South Asian	0.53 Pct​
West African	0.39 Pct​
Caucasus	28.37 Pct​
Finnish	0.58 Pct​
Mediterranean	31.2 Pct​
Southwest Asian	18.69 Pct​
North European	-​
East Asian	-​

Jew from likely Egypt originally (SNP: 70K):

Western European	8.06 Pct​
Siberian	-​
East African	5.92 Pct​
West Central Asian	4.11 Pct​
South Asian	-​
West African	-​
Caucasus	23.17 Pct​
Finnish	-​
Mediterranean	34.18 Pct​
Southwest Asian	22.37 Pct​
North European	1.76 Pct​
East Asian	0.43 Pct​

 

[ImHere]

As long as you post Mizrahis

whats the distinction of mizrahis again?

 

[Ben Dover]

whats the distinction of mizrahis again?

Don't you know already? Or you think that they are all the same...

 

[ImHere]

Don't you know already? Or you think that they are all the same...

Well, tell me

 

[ImHere]

Some sort of jew (SNP: 152K):

Western European	6.89 Pct​
Siberian	0.44 Pct​
East African	1.44 Pct​
West Central Asian	9.4 Pct​
South Asian	0.59 Pct​
West African	0.33 Pct​
Caucasus	30.07 Pct​
Finnish	-​
Mediterranean	26.41 Pct​
Southwest Asian	18.8 Pct​
North European	5.63 Pct​
East Asian	-​

Apparently jew from Iran? (SNP: 50K):

Western European	2.3 Pct​
Siberian	1.14 Pct​
East African	0.19 Pct​
West Central Asian	21.7 Pct​
South Asian	4.07 Pct​
West African	-​
Caucasus	35.42 Pct​
Finnish	-​
Mediterranean	14.96 Pct​
Southwest Asian	20.21 Pct​
North European	-​
East Asian	-​

 

[Ben Dover]

Well, tell me

Ashkenazis and Sephardics are closely related groups that have inhabited mediteranean and european zones of Eurasia. According to the most widely spread concepts Ashkenazis are roughly 1/2 Samaritan like and 1/2 European whereas Sephardics are a little less Euro and more Samaritan like with a little NA admix.

Mizrahis are interrelated group of populations that settle Western Asia and one group(Bukharan/Uzbek Jews) inhabits central asia as their name already suggests.

 

[Ben Dover]

Some sort of jew (SNP: 152K):

Western European	6.89 Pct​
Siberian	0.44 Pct​
East African	1.44 Pct​
West Central Asian	9.4 Pct​
South Asian	0.59 Pct​
West African	0.33 Pct​
Caucasus	30.07 Pct​
Finnish	-​
Mediterranean	26.41 Pct​
Southwest Asian	18.8 Pct​
North European	5.63 Pct​
East Asian	-​

Apparently jew from Iran? (SNP: 50K):

Western European	2.3 Pct​
Siberian	1.14 Pct​
East African	0.19 Pct​
West Central Asian	21.7 Pct​
South Asian	4.07 Pct​
West African	-​
Caucasus	35.42 Pct​
Finnish	-​
Mediterranean	14.96 Pct​
Southwest Asian	20.21 Pct​
North European	-​
East Asian	-​

The owner of that could be Iranian Jew, however his west central asian is quite high

 

[ImHere]

Some sort of jew from Israel(SNP: 150K):

Western European	5.51 Pct​
Siberian	0.52 Pct​
East African	2.74 Pct​
West Central Asian	10.49 Pct​
South Asian	1.2 Pct​
West African	-​
Caucasus	29.09 Pct​
Finnish	0.95 Pct​
Mediterranean	28.08 Pct​
Southwest Asian	17.34 Pct​
North European	3.03 Pct​
East Asian	1.06 Pct​

Jew from Haifa, Israel (SNP: 151K):

Western European	7.2 Pct​
Siberian	1.5 Pct​
East African	0.99 Pct​
West Central Asian	9.82 Pct​
South Asian	0.07 Pct​
West African	-​
Caucasus	28.14 Pct​
Finnish	-​
Mediterranean	30.09 Pct​
Southwest Asian	19.52 Pct​
North European	2.31 Pct​
East Asian	0.35 Pct​

 

[ImHere]

The owner of that could be Iranian Jew, however his west central asian is quite high

I might made a mistake then?

This person has the surname "Kohanim" (please dont quote this comment then, as im gonna edit it out), and seems to be invested in jewish cause(just affiliated with jews in general). But its a woman, so if surname is jewish, perhaps she is married to a jew?

 

[Ben Dover]

It is ambiguous what ethnicity they are since saying that they are jews doesn't mean much. I guess one could tell what they kinda are looking at their SW Asian, Caucasus, Med West central asian scores

 

[Ben Dover]

I might made a mistake then?

This person has the surname "Kohanim" (please dont quote this comment then, as im gonna edit it out), and seems to be invested in jewish cause

Cohanim are priests. I mean there is no way that Ashkenazi and Sephardic cohanim can score anywhere near 21% west central asian so if anything there is a good chance that the kit belongs to bukharan jew. Bukharan jews have a decent amount of Iranian ancestry

 

[ImHere]

Ah, ok, so a jew from Iran or "bukharan jew"

 

[Ben Dover]

Ah, ok, so a jew from Iran or "bukharan jew"

It is more likely that the kit belongs to Bukharan Jew due to the high west central asian score

 

[Ben Dover]

Although at the same time the SW asian score is quite high than what bukharan jews would probably score so I am not 100% sure

 

[ImHere]

Considering mesopotamian jews and indian jews, its funny to think there are jews out there with afghan heritage(if they dont score almost like afghans? Even had a dna match with what could be an afghan jew, who scored almost like a regular afghan)