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FinalFlash · Mar 30, 2022

Onyx said:
@FinalFlash

Another Hamshen: https://pastebin.com/4fD9Winu

Yamnaya_Samara 0.170
Turkey_N 0.380
Iran_N 0.312
CHG 0.138

@ImHere

The sample list in the HO file is linked in my OP, it's the .ind file, this is the third time I am answering this question, d/l it and open it with a text editor/notepad.

I asked Vas to help/provide me a model for the Balochi, Shokta3 doesn't work for them.

This is ridiculous. And by "this" I mean G25/Gedmatch

ImHere · Mar 30, 2022

To be fair, gedmatch does show armenians getting almost the amount of steppe showing in these qpadm calculations.....well, almost close(harappaworld at least)

But yes, qpadm is the much better tool

ImHere · Mar 30, 2022

That doesnt make sense. How can they get so little steppe???? And BA2 gets 18% AASI(i think reich made this calculation). Balochs usually dont get this high AASI

Kurdquistador · Mar 30, 2022

isnt is possible to use Iran N and also paniya

ImHere · Mar 30, 2022

The model is odd here though. Lower than 1% steppe, but 16% AASI? Doesnt make sense

Kurdquistador · Mar 30, 2022

ImHere said:
The model is odd here though. Lower than 1% steppe, but 16% AASI? Doesnt make sense

on gedmatch balochs get very little west / north euro stuff

and often around 12-13 south asian

so it actually seems kinda accurate

also a good amount of balochs are very brown and have south asian features . not all of course but many do

ImHere · Mar 30, 2022

vengeance said:
on gedmatch balochs get very little west / north euro stuff

and often around 12-13 south asian

so it actually seems kinda accurate

also a good amount of balochs are very brown and have south asian features . not all of course but many do

Bruh, if we got with gedmatch, BA2 get "35%" south asian(since i assume you go with eurogenes k12b). The pak-baloch samples should represent balochs more west in Pakistan, which means they shouldnt get that high AASI.

And the fact there are balochs with that low steppe is the fault of gedmatch, considering the "gedrosian" peaks the most in them(and some pak and iran balochs gets "4-7%" euro stuff, since they apparently dont get all their admix sucked into these components. And yes, both the balochs with 80%+ gedrosian and 40% gedrosian, who gets 5-7% euro stuff, are the same on g25, which makes much more sense, since both these balochs lives right next to each other with no natural borders seperating them). Even then, those balochs still gets 1% ne-euro, which means they shouldnt get almost 0% steppe.

Considering the migrations to Balochistan(indo-aryans, sakas + proto-balochs), the steppe shouldnt be 0%

Kurdquistador · Mar 30, 2022

well i would like to see a model with yamnaya + iran neo + turkey N + paniya

ImHere · Mar 30, 2022

There are no indian tribal samples, vengeance

Either way, going with the qpadm models overestimating the AASI in balochs, i would say they would turn out to get around......1/3 paniya?(i would say irula, since paniya is largely east eurasian)

Kurdquistador · Mar 30, 2022

how can Iran N not work for them ? they have the highest Iran N in the world . or maybe not ? i am confused

FinalFlash · Mar 30, 2022

ImHere said:
To be fair, gedmatch does show armenians getting almost the amount of steppe showing in these qpadm calculations.....well, almost close(harappaworld at least)

But yes, qpadm is the much better tool

It doesn't. Especially for Hamshens. Do a Neolithic run for all individual Hamshentsi on G25 like Onyx's model and post it here.

ImHere · Mar 30, 2022

FinalFlash said:
It doesn't. Especially for Hamshens. Do a Neolithic run for all individual Hamshentsi on G25 like Onyx's model and post it here.

But there are armenians getting steppe on gedmatch though(not sure for hamshentsi). I wasnt talking about g25 though:

ImHere · Mar 30, 2022

Onyx said:
I can also re-run those samples with Samara-EHG instead of Yamnaya_Samara, then CHG is bound to be higher. The dataset has a lot of EHGs.

I'll give it a shot later.

"0.848 Iran_BA2_ShahrISokhta (that's the group including your IVC)"

Wait, onyx, what you meant by "thats the group, including your IVC"?
Is this all the BA2 samples put into an average, including 8278???

FinalFlash · Mar 30, 2022

ImHere said:
But there are armenians getting steppe on gedmatch though(not sure for hamshentsi). I wasnt talking about g25 though:

View attachment 3251

They do, but it's understated, and often times they don't even show steppe admix but EHG.

ImHere · Mar 30, 2022

Onyx said:
Yes, that's what I wrote.

Then your models makes the baloch even more AASI shifted, considering 11456, 11459, 11466 and 8278 are all more AASI shifted compared to 8276. Around 22% AASI then for the baloch average(ones scoring 85% BA2. The other one would be around 24% AASI).

Kurdquistador · Mar 30, 2022

ImHere said:
Then your models makes the baloch even more AASI shifted, considering 11456, 11459, 11466 and 8278 are all more AASI shifted compared to 8276. Around 22% AASI then for the baloch average(ones scoring 85% BA2).

but the question would be if the IRN booty shakteh would be as aasi on qpAdm as it is on G25 to begin with

ImHere · Mar 30, 2022

vengeance said:
but the question would be if the IRN booty shakteh would be as aasi on qpAdm as it is on G25 to begin with

The AASI estimations im talking about isnt even from g25. Those were from a study(i think from reich? Or lazardus or whatever that guy's name was)

Either way i dont think west eurasian and non W eurasian will increase significantly from G25 to qpadm. Just the west eurasian is sort of different from g25 compared to qpadm.
Doubt an ethnicity on g25 will get lower or higher west eurasian(or barely if thats so).

Even had someone from anthrogenica do a qpadm model for me, when i said gonur BA1 got around 7% BA3(around 2,8% AASI). His model shown the bmac average to get between 2-3% AASI

Kurdquistador · Mar 30, 2022

ok ok ok bro whooooow .

ImHere · Mar 30, 2022

That still is too much AASI. And odd how results can be same with both 8276 only and then the BA2 average, when latter includes BA samples, all more AASI than 8276(specially 8278).

Does modelling with average means that individual samples gets picked from the average(the ones that matches the best with the results), while still the average itself is included in the model(with all the other samples), and the picked indiviudal sample from the average is labelled as the name of the average itself and not its own label/name?

Because its too weird if thats not the case.

FinalFlash · Mar 30, 2022

ImHere said:
But there are armenians getting steppe on gedmatch though(not sure for hamshentsi). I wasnt talking about g25 though:

View attachment 3251

Target: Armenian_Hemsheni:ARK-89 Distance: 0.0390% / 0.03900538
45.9	TUR_Barcin_N

40.2	GEO_CHG

13.9	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

0.0	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Armenian_Hemsheni:ARK-88 Distance: 0.0332% / 0.03316786
45.6	TUR_Barcin_N

35.2	GEO_CHG

19.1	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

0.1	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Armenian_Hemsheni:ARK-84 Distance: 0.0453% / 0.04531340
47.1	TUR_Barcin_N

27.8	GEO_CHG

20.4	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

4.7	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Armenian_Hemsheni:ARK-82 Distance: 0.0427% / 0.04271203
47.8	TUR_Barcin_N

36.2	GEO_CHG

16.0	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

0.0	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Armenian_Hemsheni:ARK-78 Distance: 0.0459% / 0.04590724
47.9	TUR_Barcin_N

36.8	GEO_CHG

15.3	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

0.0	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Armenian_Hemsheni:ARK-76 Distance: 0.0343% / 0.03429943
48.3	TUR_Barcin_N

32.5	GEO_CHG

19.2	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

0.0	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Armenian_Hemsheni:ARK-59 Distance: 0.0421% / 0.04206811
48.2	TUR_Barcin_N

30.8	GEO_CHG

21.0	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

0.0	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Make this make sense^

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