so much Iran N and so little CHG for hemshins though ? sceptical hippo is sceptical
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FinalFlash
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Yes, an Armenian anthro enthusiast on another forum actually once told me that no modern day population gets modeled as anything more than 30% actual proper CHG.
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His assertions are starting to make a lot of sense thanks to qpAdm.
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I suspect Syunetsi Armenians, and just Eastern Armenians in general to score higher steppe than the Hamshentsi
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That 30% proper CHG would probably only appear in Svans and to a lesser extent Megrels
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Most likely them and Adygheans/Circassians, yes.
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@Onyx Do you have any info regarding this
i am sceptical tbh
that georgians have 50-60 % CHG + rest mostly ANF and a little bit Iran N and a smidge Natufian makes more sense in my opinion
qpAdm seems to overestimate Iran N for pops
that georgians have 50-60 % CHG + rest mostly ANF and a little bit Iran N and a smidge Natufian makes more sense in my opinion
qpAdm seems to overestimate Iran N for pops
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There's only 1 CHG sample so that could play a role in terms of what qpAdm prefers. If we had more CHG samples then the numbers may differ somewhat but even then I sincerely doubt any modern-day population would be modeled as 50-60% CHG.
CHG on these amateur calcs tends to absorb ANE-EEF-Steppe related ancestries and superficially elevate them. Like in Dodecad for instance.
CHG on these amateur calcs tends to absorb ANE-EEF-Steppe related ancestries and superficially elevate them. Like in Dodecad for instance.
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Also, I recall Onyx did a run for a Georgian individual using the same N model and this individual scored 18% Kotias if I recall correctly.
the datasheet has kotias and satsu . so 2 samples not 1 bro
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I don't know if qpAdm has satsu or not but if it's anything like Kotias then it won't make any difference in these runs.
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Absolutely, Kurds being around 20% steppe, with some being a bit higher and Hamshen having sizeable portions of this ancestry is something G25 would never capture.These are two of the Kurds (43,49) from above and the Hamshen, but with EHG this time in place of Yamnaya_Samara. You can see the results correspond roughly to a 55%EHG, 40% CHG, 5% EEF split of the original Yamnaya_Samara score, re-enforcing the validity of the original run's percentages and putting another nail on the coffin of g25's relevance.
qpAdm runs (Kurds-HO_2, Hamshen_HO_2) - Pastebin.com
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Kurd-43: 0.083 EHG + 0.364 Turkey_N + 0.499 Iran_N + 0.054 CHG.
Kurd-49: 0.129 EHG + 0.390 Turkey_N + 0.412 Iran_N + 0.069 CHG.
Hemsheni-59: 0.081 EHG + 0.373 Turkey_N + 0.374 Iran_N + 0.171 CHG.
Even with more proper CHG samples, I don't think they'd be as relevant as Iran_N anyway.
bro i am still waiting for the baloch and pashtun models 
He wont post them. I asked him last time, but he didnt do it.bro i am still waiting for the baloch and pashtun models
Gotta learn using qpadm yourself
is there simulated aasi or at least paniya . use them
thanks bud
thanks bud
You need dna data from pashtuns and balochs, right?
