nah . pretty sure iranian farmers looked like this
i have analysed the shit out of this component and am pretty content
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the ultimate proof that Zagrosian / Iran_N is NOT a very dark or exotic component . and it does not look south asian
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nah . pretty sure iranian farmers looked like this
i have analysed the shit out of this component and am pretty content
Maj313
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Yes but not modern day Baluch, they have Arya admix . Full irani would better example.
i will show you something later
@Maj313
bro look at this . i will show you something
i have analysed the Iran N component a lot . ran several Iran N kit numbers through all kinds of calculators and compared them how they score to modern balochs . looked up many baloch videos and pictures to determine how Zagros Farmers looked like
look at this baloch dude . Iran N / Zagros Farmer was WHITER than him 100% . i have the gedmatch kit number of this baloch dude and i will show you how he scores in Eurogenes K12b and then i will post Iran N results to compare
this is the baloch guy
this is how he scores :
and these are Iran N kit numbers :
look at the differences . the Iran N kits score almost no south asian and are less south asian than the baloch dude
AND the Iran N kits score a lot more of the Caucasus component
therefore we can 100% say that Zagros Farmers were WHITER than this baloch dude 100% . and this baloch dude doesnt even look that exotic himself
if you want to have good proxies for Iran N looks you need to therefore take the WHITER balochs who dont show AASI / s.indian in their features
like these :
(first dude is heavily suntanned . he would be lighter without the tan . and he has a big beard . dont let that influence your judgment . his features are very Zagros N )
bro look at this . i will show you something
i have analysed the Iran N component a lot . ran several Iran N kit numbers through all kinds of calculators and compared them how they score to modern balochs . looked up many baloch videos and pictures to determine how Zagros Farmers looked like
look at this baloch dude . Iran N / Zagros Farmer was WHITER than him 100% . i have the gedmatch kit number of this baloch dude and i will show you how he scores in Eurogenes K12b and then i will post Iran N results to compare
this is the baloch guy
this is how he scores :
and these are Iran N kit numbers :
look at the differences . the Iran N kits score almost no south asian and are less south asian than the baloch dude
AND the Iran N kits score a lot more of the Caucasus component
therefore we can 100% say that Zagros Farmers were WHITER than this baloch dude 100% . and this baloch dude doesnt even look that exotic himself
if you want to have good proxies for Iran N looks you need to therefore take the WHITER balochs who dont show AASI / s.indian in their features
like these :
(first dude is heavily suntanned . he would be lighter without the tan . and he has a big beard . dont let that influence your judgment . his features are very Zagros N )
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Maj313
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Okay@Maj313
bro look at this . i will show you something
i have analysed the Iran N component a lot . ran several Iran N kit numbers through all kinds of calculators and compared them how they score to modern balochs . looked up many baloch videos and pictures to determine how Zagros Farmers looked like
look at this baloch dude . Iran N / Zagros Farmer was WHITER than him 100% . i have the gedmatch kit number of this baloch dude and i will show you how he scores in Eurogenes K12b and then i will post Iran N results to compare
this is the baloch guy
this is how he scores :
and these are Iran N kit numbers :
look at the differences . the Iran N kits score almost no south asian and are less south asian than the baloch dude
AND the Iran N kits score a lot more of the Caucasus component
therefore we can 100% say that Zagros Farmers were WHITER than this baloch dude 100% . and this baloch dude doesnt even look that exotic himself
if you want to have good proxies for Iran N looks you need to therefore take the WHITER balochs who dont show AASI / s.indian in their features
like these :
Maybe Balushi are best rep of zagrosian farmer but Iranian I speak to say that’s not true and they are bad representative
a guy who runs a lot of qpAdm lately said that it is actually the mazandarani iranians who score the most Zagros N on qpAdm . that they have a little more than baloch / brahui . if thats the case and we would take certain mazandaranis as benchmark for Iran N then this would make Iran N even whiter than these specific baloch and brahui i posted
either way regardless of that it does make sense to take the baloch i posted as a proxy for Zagros N because regardless of mazandaranis having a little more baloch still would be the second highest and they score very high Iran N / Zagros N
i am pretty sure that the pics i posted of the balochs and brahui are a good approximation of what Zagros N looked like
scientific analysis of the genome of a Ganj Dareh Neolithic female (named : GD13a)
www.nature.com
"The phenotypic attributes of GD13a are similar to the neighbouring Anatolian early farmers and Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers. Based on diagnostic SNPs, she had dark, black hair and brown eyes (see Supplementary). She lacked the derived variant (rs16891982) of the SLC45A2 gene associated with light skin pigmentation but likely had at least one copy of the derived SLC24A5 allele (rs1426654) associated with the same trait. The derived SLC24A5 variant has been found in both Neolithic farmer and Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer groups5,15,24 suggesting that it was already at appreciable frequency before these populations diverged. "
so yeah Zagros N looked "meddish" if you will . predominantly dark hair and eyes with some also having lighter hair and eyes (but most had dark hair and eyes) . and their skin color was mostlly olive .with some pale ones and some what you can call "light brown" skin too but light brown is not the same as curry brown btw. . different undertones etc. . dont listen to pajeets . and their facial features were somewhat mediterranean . the balochs and brahuis i have posted are good examples of how they looked like
oh and by the way . i have found another Zagros N / Iran N proxy baloch guy . but he is heavily suntanned . he would be lighter without the tan . he also has a big beard . still try to look at his facial features ....he is Zagrosian AS FUCK ! and do not listen to curries ...they will say this guy can easily fit in most of india n shiet . muh diversity etc. . they even pass italians in india like its nothing . and then say idiotic stuff like (about the italian for example) "because of zagros " ...as if there are many indians who look zagros only without aasi ....dear curries most of you are heavily influenced by your aasi and can not be taken as examples of zagrosian looking . fucking scumbags . delusional pajeets . these balochs and brahuis i am posting dont have (if so very little) AASI in their looks and do not look south asian . they look like their own unique thing with heavy overlap with west asia
The genetics of an early Neolithic pastoralist from the Zagros, Iran - Scientific Reports
The agricultural transition profoundly changed human societies. We sequenced and analysed the first genome (1.39x) of an early Neolithic woman from Ganj Dareh, in the Zagros Mountains of Iran, a site with early evidence for an economy based on goat herding, ca. 10,000 BP. We show that Western...
www.nature.com
"The phenotypic attributes of GD13a are similar to the neighbouring Anatolian early farmers and Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers. Based on diagnostic SNPs, she had dark, black hair and brown eyes (see Supplementary). She lacked the derived variant (rs16891982) of the SLC45A2 gene associated with light skin pigmentation but likely had at least one copy of the derived SLC24A5 allele (rs1426654) associated with the same trait. The derived SLC24A5 variant has been found in both Neolithic farmer and Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer groups5,15,24 suggesting that it was already at appreciable frequency before these populations diverged. "
so yeah Zagros N looked "meddish" if you will . predominantly dark hair and eyes with some also having lighter hair and eyes (but most had dark hair and eyes) . and their skin color was mostlly olive .with some pale ones and some what you can call "light brown" skin too but light brown is not the same as curry brown btw. . different undertones etc. . dont listen to pajeets . and their facial features were somewhat mediterranean . the balochs and brahuis i have posted are good examples of how they looked like
oh and by the way . i have found another Zagros N / Iran N proxy baloch guy . but he is heavily suntanned . he would be lighter without the tan . he also has a big beard . still try to look at his facial features ....he is Zagrosian AS FUCK ! and do not listen to curries ...they will say this guy can easily fit in most of india n shiet . muh diversity etc. . they even pass italians in india like its nothing . and then say idiotic stuff like (about the italian for example) "because of zagros " ...as if there are many indians who look zagros only without aasi ....dear curries most of you are heavily influenced by your aasi and can not be taken as examples of zagrosian looking . fucking scumbags . delusional pajeets . these balochs and brahuis i am posting dont have (if so very little) AASI in their looks and do not look south asian . they look like their own unique thing with heavy overlap with west asia
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forgot to post this baloch guy . he is another good proxy for how Zagros N / Iran N looked like
i am still seeing pajeets brownwash Zagrosian / Iran_N
it is really frustrating . they dont want to understand that they are wrong . zagrosian is not the way they think at all
today i saw illustrative results of a kuwaiti and a saudi . they both scored high natufian but also high zagros . and they posted their face too and they dont look that much dark and exotic . the saudi looks jordanian and the kuwaiti i dont know where exactly to place him but i think he can also be some sort of levantine . they can not pass as northern west asian but they also look whiter than many gulf arabs
if they didnt have zagros and had even more natufian they would look MORE EXOTIC ! ZAGROSIAN MADE THEM WHITER ! .....why dont people want to understand it ....zagros is what makes curries and gulf arabs WHITER not darker / dark
natufian is less white than zagrosian 1000000% .
and curries look pajeet and dark and exotic because of their AASI + climate . NOT because of Zagrosian . just read this thread and read the OP and look at the baloch and brahui i have posted who represent zagros
it is really frustrating . they dont want to understand that they are wrong . zagrosian is not the way they think at all
today i saw illustrative results of a kuwaiti and a saudi . they both scored high natufian but also high zagros . and they posted their face too and they dont look that much dark and exotic . the saudi looks jordanian and the kuwaiti i dont know where exactly to place him but i think he can also be some sort of levantine . they can not pass as northern west asian but they also look whiter than many gulf arabs
if they didnt have zagros and had even more natufian they would look MORE EXOTIC ! ZAGROSIAN MADE THEM WHITER ! .....why dont people want to understand it ....zagros is what makes curries and gulf arabs WHITER not darker / dark
natufian is less white than zagrosian 1000000% .
and curries look pajeet and dark and exotic because of their AASI + climate . NOT because of Zagrosian . just read this thread and read the OP and look at the baloch and brahui i have posted who represent zagros
i asked chatgpt to make a pic of how neolithic ganj dareh people may have looked like (male) and he did this pic
it is not bad in my opinion . the facial features are a little too western though . but this depiction does go in the right direction . it also looks similar to the zagros n / iran n examples i psted (the baloch and brahui)
that being said chatgpt made a horrible CHG reconstruction once when i asked and it made a horrible reconstruction of baradostians lol
i will ask chatgpt about this more in detail soon . i will tell it that this component peaks in mazandaranis and baloch/brahui etc. and ask it to make a new pic
it is not bad in my opinion . the facial features are a little too western though . but this depiction does go in the right direction . it also looks similar to the zagros n / iran n examples i psted (the baloch and brahui)
that being said chatgpt made a horrible CHG reconstruction once when i asked and it made a horrible reconstruction of baradostians lol
i will ask chatgpt about this more in detail soon . i will tell it that this component peaks in mazandaranis and baloch/brahui etc. and ask it to make a new pic
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ancestralwhispers made a Iran Neolithic reconstruction . how do you like it ? in my opinion it is not bad but also not that good to be honest . looks a bit weird
i posted this baloch guy as a Zagros N proxy and i think he is the best proxy ever . he is what zagros N looks like
from now on i will use him the most when i show how Zagros N / Iran_N looks like
from now on i will use him the most when i show how Zagros N / Iran_N looks like
idklolimo
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but his face looks weird . a little native american like . and yes he is a little too dark
and the skull is very long ..extremely doli.....looks unnatural
i am 100% sure that this baloch guy is a good representation of what Iran_N looked like
Iran_N is a very good looking component to be honest
i have come to a conclusion after more analysis :
ancestralwhispers can not be trusted . they already made many mistakes in the past ....for example they posted a EHG as CHG because they didnt know . and they also have changed many of their reconstructions and those reconstructions dont look anything as they did before anymore . on top of that ancestralwhispers thinks that ANE looked swarthy and native american like . which is not true . ANE looked similar to chuvash people etc. . ANE + WHG = EHG . EHG is light and Europeans are EHG rich
we Kurds and other northern west asians as well as southeast europeans . our Zagros_N / Iran_N is of a variety that is very similar to CHG . darker than CHG but not as dark as the reconstruction above from ancestralwhispers . it can not be .
there are 4 reasons why :
1. in pretty much all calculators (in before muh outdated) we score more like CHG and not like Iran N . our biggest component is always "caucasus" while the Iran_N kit numbers score more way more "gedrosia / baloch" than caucasus . that alone is proof that something is fishy
2. look at all the Kurdish threads here in the forum . i have posted 10000000 Kurds including DNA tested faces . look how we look like . we are way too white for our iran_n to be dark . we get modelled with 33 - 38 % Iran N depending on model and person . if our Iran N was very dark we wouldnt look the way we do . and NO you scumbags our ANF / CHG / EHG wouldnt balance the very dark Iran N out .....we would be a lot darker than we are if our iran n was dark . we score too much of it ...if it was really very dark we would be a lot darker
3. we have close to zero south asian genes . 2.2% s.indian on harappaworld . therefore the Iran N that we have can not be more than 6.5% s.indian on average itself
4. additionally i have read several times online for example that south asians dont have the same Iran N as us but that they have some sort of other population from Iran who were similar but different . it is likely that south asians and maybe even many iranians that the iranian component they have that it is a lot darker than ours
ancestralwhispers can not be trusted . they already made many mistakes in the past ....for example they posted a EHG as CHG because they didnt know . and they also have changed many of their reconstructions and those reconstructions dont look anything as they did before anymore . on top of that ancestralwhispers thinks that ANE looked swarthy and native american like . which is not true . ANE looked similar to chuvash people etc. . ANE + WHG = EHG . EHG is light and Europeans are EHG rich
we Kurds and other northern west asians as well as southeast europeans . our Zagros_N / Iran_N is of a variety that is very similar to CHG . darker than CHG but not as dark as the reconstruction above from ancestralwhispers . it can not be .
there are 4 reasons why :
1. in pretty much all calculators (in before muh outdated) we score more like CHG and not like Iran N . our biggest component is always "caucasus" while the Iran_N kit numbers score more way more "gedrosia / baloch" than caucasus . that alone is proof that something is fishy
2. look at all the Kurdish threads here in the forum . i have posted 10000000 Kurds including DNA tested faces . look how we look like . we are way too white for our iran_n to be dark . we get modelled with 33 - 38 % Iran N depending on model and person . if our Iran N was very dark we wouldnt look the way we do . and NO you scumbags our ANF / CHG / EHG wouldnt balance the very dark Iran N out .....we would be a lot darker than we are if our iran n was dark . we score too much of it ...if it was really very dark we would be a lot darker
3. we have close to zero south asian genes . 2.2% s.indian on harappaworld . therefore the Iran N that we have can not be more than 6.5% s.indian on average itself
4. additionally i have read several times online for example that south asians dont have the same Iran N as us but that they have some sort of other population from Iran who were similar but different . it is likely that south asians and maybe even many iranians that the iranian component they have that it is a lot darker than ours
by the way europeans have zagros too . i can show you greek islander individuals with around 20% zagros if you want .
and look at this english from kent . qpAdm results . almost 10% Zagros
and again : the zagros that we northern west asians and europeans have is similar to CHG and it has very little if any south asian in it because we score close to zero south asian . the average s.indian (harappaworld calculator) we Kurds have is 2.2% which is nothing
the person who posted this qpAdm result said :
" Just trying out the new qpAdm service. This one is a rather fragile model but overall reasonable results (It says Feasibility: FALSE but actually isn't, probably a glitch on the site)"
and look at this english from kent . qpAdm results . almost 10% Zagros
and again : the zagros that we northern west asians and europeans have is similar to CHG and it has very little if any south asian in it because we score close to zero south asian . the average s.indian (harappaworld calculator) we Kurds have is 2.2% which is nothing
the person who posted this qpAdm result said :
" Just trying out the new qpAdm service. This one is a rather fragile model but overall reasonable results (It says Feasibility: FALSE but actually isn't, probably a glitch on the site)"
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