the ultimate proof that Zagrosian / Iran_N is NOT a very dark or exotic component . and it does not look south asian

[MadMan]

PART 1

many People try to darkwash Iran Neolithic / Zagros Neolithic . they think because it Peaks in Balochs / Brahui People it must be a dark component . and because north indian people like punjabis , kashmiris etc. have a lot of it . but they ignore that modern Balochs and Brahuis have south asian admix (AASI , s-Indian) . they are on average 8-10% AASI and 12 - 19% s.indian on harappaworld . AND they also inhabit a hot environment for a long time which has made them darker over time . but there are many balochs who dont look exotic even too . i will post them later again in this thread . and they ignore that north indians have even more s-indian / AASI . they have way more than balochs

when i am asking why we Kurds dont look exotic / Indian like then if we have around 33 - 40% Zagrosian the answer is "well you have a lot of ANF , Steppe , CHG" . but that is bullshit . if Zagros N was the way These idiots Claim then we would still be very dark because you cant just automatically outweigh 35 Zagros

but i will give you the ultimate answer / proof now . if it is true what you claim then why do unmixed Balkan gypsies often look Indian influenced and are very exotic ?


first let me post a G25 model of Balkan gypsies :

these are some examples of gypsies from Balkans :

lets take me as an example too . why do i not look like them despite having more Zagros than them ? they have also almost 20% Zagros but i have 35% . AND the gypsies have as much Barcin as me and even higher EHG and similar CHG and yet they are a lot darker than me and more exotic . hmmmmm what could be the Explanation ? what is the important difference between us ? facepalm . what do they have that i dont have ? could it be the component that peaks in india ...that peaks in the black skinned non west eurasian tribals from india ? could it be AASI ? you bet ! and balkan gypsies are on average 20-25% s-indian on harappaworld too....while i am 1.97% so basically nothing . the average s.indian score for Kurds is only 2.2% . basically nothing . i have calculated it with 66 Kurdish kit numbers

this is how i score :

and this is how i look :

 

[MadMan]

Part 2 :

Iran N / Zagros N is the closest component to the Caucasus Hunter Gatherers . which peaks in modern day west Georgians . Iran N is basically a darker CHG if you will . they are similar populations who have drifted away from each other for a long time . academics often treat them as the same thing and they are hard to tell apart in f-stats.

and there were different forms of Iran N / Zagros N . they were not all the same . some had a few percent south asian in them . for this we can use the harappaworld calculator . you can call it as "outdated" as you want but it is a calculator where you can very nicely see the south asian admix in people . the s-indian component in this calculator peaks in indian tribals .

the Iran Late Neolithics had almost none s.indian. and the Iran N that we Kurds and other northern west asians have has almost Zero s-Indian in it . the s-Indian score of Kurds is 2.2% (i have calculated this with more than 60 Kurdish kit numbers)

and you need to know that even the Iran N who are around 7% s-Indian on harappaworld they are still lower in s-Indian than modern baloch who have on average around 13%

if you want to take modern balochs to see how Iran N looked like then you need to take the LIGHTER and non south asian shifted Baloch for that because Iran N was a lot less s-Indian and more Caucasus than modern day balochs

this is how Iran Late Neolithic scores in the Harrapaworld calculator :


s-indian: 2.77
Baloch: 56.2
Caucasian : 32.82
NE_Euro: -
Siberian : -
NE_Asian: -
Papuan : -
American : -
Beringian : -
Mediterranean : -
SW_Asian : 7.99
E_African : -
Pygmy : -
W_African : 0.23



and these are the scores of modern day baloch average from the spreadsheet :

s-indian: 13.54
Baloch: 54.09
Caucasian : 13.64
NE_Euro: 3.03
Siberian : 0.50
NE_Asian: 0.16
Papuan : 0.48
American : 0.16
Beringian : 0.62
Mediterranean : 1.81
SW_Asian : 8.88
E_African : 0.55
Pygmy : 0.20
W_African : 1.37



as you see : more caucasus and a lot less s-indian . THEREFORE you have to take the whiter Balochs to see how Zagros N looked like

these balochs are a somewhat good proxy to how Iran N looked like and Iran N was likely even whiter than them :

 

[MadMan]

Part 3

lets go a step further and not only compare the gypsies to me as an individual but to People of my ethnicity in General . the Kurds .

if AASI is such a non-factor and neutral and iran_N causes people to look punjabi then why is that Kurds who have more iran_N and less European HG than balkan gypsies look far whiter. surely it is not iran_N that causes people to look very exotic/south asian like but it's AASI

and yes i am aware that there are also a good amount of balkan gypsies who look european . but there are many where the s-indian or AASI will affect phenotype like the men i posted above . many gypsies show s.indian in their phenotype

and this is how Kurds look like . please look into the threads :


full Kurdish gallery with THOUSANDS of Kurds :

https://www.anthroworldforum.com/threads/the-kurds-kurdish-people-gallery-thread.253/



DNA tested / confirmed Kurds :

DNA confirmed Kurdish faces (from the DNA thread) . do we look like south asians or Europeans ?

i will post all Kurds from the DNA confirmed Kurds thread here . this is the thread where i posted all these Kurds together with their DNA results . if you want to see their DNA results click here ...

www.anthroworldforum.com

all Kurdish classify threads linked here :

ALL KURDISH CLASSIFY THREAD LINKS IN ONE THREAD FOR BUMPING !

instead of having to bump each thread individually i will just put the threads here and ask you to please post in as many as you can just click on the text / thread titles to get directed to the threads CHECK THIS THREAD OUT FOR SURE : KURDISH FACES + GENETIC RESULTS THREAD so here...

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why do we not look like gypsies ? if Iran N / Zagrosian is a very dark and exotic component ? we have more of it than them . and they have more EHG than us . do you fucking imbeciles get it now ? do you get it now that it is s-Indian , AASI that makes south asians and gypsies so dark and exotic looking and not Zagrosian

you are just haters and will probably not accept what i am saying here no matter how much sense it makes just out of spite because you dislike me . you want to believe what you believe no matter what ...grow up you dumbfucks and accept that you are wrong

 

[MadMan]

this horn of africa looking sri lankan dumbfuck says that Zagros / Iran N makes people look south asian

yeah buddy right . you look ssa because of Iran N and not because of your huge AASI ....lel

 

[MadMan]

AGAIN :

we Kurds are between 30 - 38 % Zagros N depending on person and area

and we Kurds do absolutely not look south asian despite the anthromyths .

if you are still unsure check these threads out with 10000000 Kurds in it :

DNA confirmed Kurdish faces (from the DNA thread) . do we look like south asians or Europeans ?

i will post all Kurds from the DNA confirmed Kurds thread here . this is the thread where i posted all these Kurds together with their DNA results . if you want to see their DNA results click here ...

www.anthroworldforum.com

The Kurds . Kurdish People gallery thread

hi . this is the kurdish gallery thread . I will post a lot of photos and videos of kurds . most are kurmanji kurds and some are zaza Kurds (and a smaller amount of ezidis and soranis ) . they are from all kind of kurdish provinces . i will post mostly kurds from turkey because i am a kurd from...

www.anthroworldforum.com

and no .....the reason is not our EEF and EHG + CHG . if Zagros N was really south asian looking then scoring 30+ of it will turn you to a pajeet often wether you want it or not .

and as i said in the OP ...gypsies have also EEF and even more EHG than us but they look the way they do because of the AASI .... NOT because of Zagros . Greek Islanders can be up to 16-20% Zagrosian so as much as balkan gypsies ...but Greek Islanders look nothing like curries either

do . you . get . it . now ?

i am 35% Zagrosian

and this is how i look : i dont look south asian at all

member Ben Dover is 24% Zagrosian and he also looks nothing like a curry

 

[MadMan]

Zagros N / Iran N is not south asian looking . period

it is the s.indian from the Harappaworld calculator that you have to look on . no matter if the calc is old or not . the calc is still very valid and shows south asian ancestry / admix

and Iranians for example often are 6-7% s-indian and some also 8-10% and sometimes even up to 14% or so . even in north persians . that is why a decent amount of Iranians look south asian shifted . NOT because of Zagrosian

member Ben Dover and me have analysed harappaworld and s-indian and came to the conclusion that when you are below 5% s-indian it will not have an effect on phenotype in the vast majority of the time . while if you are above 5% it will show often and above 10% very often . that is why a decent amount of Iranians look south asian shifted . again : NOT because of Zagrosian

however i do think that there were different forms of Zagrosians and some were probably a little south asian shifted but we Kurds and other northern west asians dont have those south asianoid Zagros N because our s-indian score is almost zero (2.2%) .

on G25 the problem is that when you use Iran N / Zagros in a model it will just overshadow any AASI that Iranians can have . when you dont use Zagrosian but only CHG then you can see in models how a good amount of Iranians score more than 5% AASI ....while we Kurds our score is around 2-3 % ....hmmmm isnt it interesting that also our s-indian score on harappaworld is 2.2 % on average ?

 

[MadMan]

more Zagros N proxies :


first of all let me post the Iran Hotu reconstruction which was mostly Zagros N . it was a female reconstruction which i turned into male + smile using faceapp

and these are modern balochs and brahui they look similar

 

[Altaic Warrior]

more Zagros N proxies :


first of all let me post the Iran Hotu reconstruction which was mostly Zagros N . it was a female reconstruction which i turned into male + smile using faceapp

and these are modern balochs and brahui they look similar

South asians like indians,pakis etc all have some australoid component in their genetics right ?

 

[MadMan]

South asians like indians,pakis etc all have some australoid component in their genetics right ?

all south asians even the most northern ones have a lot of AASI genes . the more south you go geographically and the lower the caste the more AASI they have

AASI is non west eurasian and is distantly related to australian aborigines , papuans etc. .

even though curries deny it ...you CAN call it australoid

AASI is one of the main reasons why south asians look the way they do and one of the main reasons why they look distinctly subcontinental most of the time .

as you know i have already talked about several genetic calculators and when it comes to south asian admix / ancestry there are a couple of calcs that show south asian ancestry very well . the Harappaworld calculator , Dodecad K12b , Eurogenes K12b , Mdlp K18 ancient roots , Dodecad K12a, . and some others

the south asian or "s-indian" components in these calcs i just listed dont have much west asian mixed into them as it is the case with calculators like Eurogenes K13 or Eurogenes K15 etc. . so calcs like Eurogenes K13 , Eurogenes K15 and many others will not show the actual south asian admix because their south asian components have a lot of west asian / west eurasian in them

let me show you the Eurogenes K12b results of an Australian Aborigine here . look how the main component he/she scores is south asian with 44% . the reason for this is that the calculator does not have an oceanian component so the calulator has no choice but to compromise and give the "next best" component that is the closest . therefore even if the oceanian and south asian components are distant from each other due to genetic drift .....they are still related


here the results of the australian aborigine :

oh and by the way . as i said before the Eurogenes K12b calculator is the best gypsy detector there is . balkan gypsies are around 20-25 % south asian here and when you as a non south asian score a decent chunk of it then this means that you have either gypsy admix or some curries have married into your family at some point

we Kurds score close to zero by the way . this should not surprise you though because as you should know by now that the anthromyth that Kurds are a south asian like people is fucking horseshit . not true at all

 

[Altaic Warrior]

all south asians even the most northern ones have a lot of AASI genes . the more south you go geographically and the lower the caste the more AASI they have

AASI is non west eurasian and is distantly related to australian aborigines , papuans etc. .

even though curries deny it ...you CAN call it australoid

AASI is one of the main reasons why south asians look the way they do and one of the main reasons why they look distinctly subcontinental most of the time .

as you know i have already talked about several genetic calculators and when it comes to south asian admix / ancestry there are a couple of calcs that show south asian ancestry very well . the Harappaworld calculator , Dodecad K12b , Eurogenes K12b , Mdlp K18 ancient roots , Dodecad K12a, . and some others

the south asian or "s-indian" components in these calcs i just listed dont have much west asian mixed into them as it is the case with calculators like Eurogenes K13 or Eurogenes K15 etc. . so calcs like Eurogenes K13 , Eurogenes K15 and many others will not show the actual south asian admix because their south asian components have a lot of west asian / west eurasian in them

let me show you the Eurogenes K12b results of an Australian Aborigine here . look how the main component he/she scores is south asian with 44% . the reason for this is that the calculator does not have an oceanian component so the calulator has no choice but to compromise and give the "next best" component that is the closest . therefore even if the oceanian and south asian components are distant from each other dude to genetic drift .....they are still related


here the results of the australian aborigine :

oh and by the way . as i said before the Eurogenes K12b calculator is the best gypsy detector there is . balkan gypsies are around 20-25 % south asian here and when you as a non south asian score a decent chunk of it then this means that you have either gypsy admix or some curries have married into your family at some point

we Kurds score close to zero by the way . this should not surprise you though because as you should know by now that the anthromyth that Kurds are a south asian like people is fucking horseshit . not true at all

I see im ignorant on these calculators its interesting how Australian Aborigines score some Siberian and East Asian could you tell me how ? another question do even Tajiks in central asia score AASI like their Pashtun cousins in Afghanistan ?

 

[MadMan]

2 more men who represent how Zagrosian / Iran N looked like :

 

[Maj313]

My aboriginal cousins

 

[MadMan]

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[Maj313]

Roman Gypsy are greatest nation in world

 

[MadMan]

this guy is a very good proxy for Zagros N / Iran N . but a little too dark skinned . but this is pretty much how the Zagrosian component looks like . Zagrosian is just a bit lighter

click here :

https://up.picr.de/49181975wv.jpg?rand=1739648414

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he doesnt look curry either . there is no AASI influence on his look i think . do not believe the curries who try to pass everyone as punjabi or whatever . ridiculous . i see often people get passed as punjabi or whatever by these disgusting fucks even though they look nothing south asian . how delusional do you have to be . fuck

 

[MadMan]

i have read pieces of shits talk nonsense about Zagrosian / Iran N again . they darkwash it for no fucking reason

they think because people like north indians have a lot of it it means that it is a dark and exotic component that makes you look south asian . you fucktards it is the AASI that makes it not the Zagros . how ridiculous

you have to look at the s-indian component on harappaworld and the AASI on G25 . it is not zagros that makes you curries look dark or distinctly south asian . it is your s.indian / AASI doing it plus climate adaptation

read the OP in this thread i explained even in detail why Zagros N is NOT exotic / south asianesque

 

[Maj313]

i have read pieces of shits talk nonsense about Zagrosian / Iran N again . they darkwash it for no fucking reason

they think because people like north indians have a lot of it it means that it is a dark and exotic component that makes you look south asian . you fucktards it is the AASI that makes it not the Zagros . how ridiculous

you have to look at the s-indian component on harappaworld and the AASI on G25 . it is not zagros that makes you curries look dark or distinctly south asian . it is your s.indian / AASI doing it plus climate adaptation

read the OP in this thread i explained even in detail why Zagros N is NOT exotic / south asianesque

But I’ve seen Iranians also say Neolithic Iranian farmer is dark and nothing to do with modern Iranians

 

[MadMan]

But I’ve seen Iranians also say Neolithic Iranian farmer is dark and nothing to do with modern Iranians

they are wrong . there is a misconception about Iran N .....they think because modern balochs are the "closest" to it it means that it is a dark / exotic component which is not true . Iran N peaks in balochs and brahui but modern baloch and brahui have south asian admix . on top of it they inhabit a very hot area with lots of sun exposure (Iran N was from west iran not balochistan) ....and there are many baloch who dont even look exotic too .

Iran N looked like whiter balochs . those who dont show AASI / s.indian in their look and who are caucasus shifted

btw not all Iran N were the same either . some Iran N are 6-7% s-indian which is still not much and still less than balochs who score 12 - 19 % range . the Iran N that we Kurds and other northern west aisans have is Iran Late Neolithic which is only 0-4 % s-indian / south asian and is even closer to Caucasus Hunter Gatherers

Zagros N / Iran N is NOT south asian like and not dark . it is a darker version of CHG (which peaks in Georgians )

 

[idklolimo]

The Baloch people are half South Asian. So it's normal for them to look South Asian. My military friend who was half Kurdish, half Gypsy was as dark brown as the Kenyans.

 

[MadMan]

The Baloch people are half South Asian. So it's normal for them to look South Asian. My military friend who was half Kurdish, half Gypsy was as dark brown as the Kenyans.

balochs are not half south asian . they are 12-19% range s.indian

you had a half gypsy half kurdish friend ?