the Corsican - Iran N calculator by Fuckeeer

[Kurdquistador]

ok so this is just for fun but it shows some nice things

in this calculator you can see the AASI of people like Balochs , Pashtuns , north Indians , and even some Persians very clearly

and that we Kurds do NOT have any ....as usual . and that Iran N is NOT an "exotic" component that turns people into indian looking or something . and that you can NOT base Iran N on Balochs lookwise because they score around 10% AASI as you see . AASI peaks in south indian tribals and is a very dark and exotic component which is the reason why there are even many balochs and even some persians who look indian like

i have used these components :

French_Corsican individuals to cover our non Iran N parts mostly Mediterranean . Coriscans also score a tiny bit Iran N and some CHG . the latter is good because it will add to give our CHG ancestry . corsicans also have EHG and WHG which is also good because we Kurds also have some . so the Corsican samples give us Kurds almost everything we need aside of Iran N


Latvian : since south asians have only little to none mediterranean farmer and more EHG related ancestry the corsican samples wont be that good of a fit . with Latvian added it works better


Iran Seh Gabi LN and also 2 Iran Ganj Dareh N individuals . all 3 of these neolithic Iranian samples have the least AASI shift relative to CHG out of all Iran N . Iran N in general has a little shift to Natufian and aasi RELATIVE TO CHG . caused by genetic drift of ancient populations . but these 3 i use for this calculator have the least . and the Seh Gabi LN has the biggest Natufian shift compared to CHG out of all Iran N . this is good because it covers our couple of percent Natufian too without the need to use Natufian


SSA populations :

East Eurasian populations :

and AASI . peaking in south indian tribals




here is the model : https://justpaste.it/5ksvg#

vahaduo : https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

 

[Kurdquistador]

here are individual samples of some populations that are relevant for this thread so you can play around with them : https://justpaste.it/60gfy



i will post some results to illustrate my point :



Target: Punjabi_Jatt (average)
Distance: 4.3358% / 0.04335818
46.0 Iran_N
29.6 Latvian
24.4 AASI


Target: Pashtun_North_Afghanistan:8Af
Distance: 3.5336% / 0.03533613
45.6 Iran_N
25.4 Latvian
14.0 French_Corsica
10.4 AASI
4.6 East_Eurasian

Target: Pashtun_North_Afghanistan:22Af
Distance: 3.8520% / 0.03852024
46.4 Iran_N
23.8 Latvian
14.0 French_Corsica
11.4 AASI
4.4 East_Eurasian

Target: Pashtun_North_Afghanistan:20Af
Distance: 3.0556% / 0.03055640
44.8 Iran_N
19.8 Latvian
16.2 French_Corsica
11.0 AASI
8.2 East_Eurasian


Target: Balochi_A:HGDP00088
Distance: 3.0304% / 0.03030369
59.6 Iran_N
17.0 French_Corsica
12.8 Latvian
10.4 AASI
0.2 East_Eurasian


Target: Balochi_A:HGDP00080
Distance: 2.8958% / 0.02895820
60.6 Iran_N
19.2 French_Corsica
10.0 AASI
9.8 Latvian
0.4 East_Eurasian

Target: Balochi_A:HGDP00078
Distance: 3.2652% / 0.03265196
55.0 Iran_N
17.0 French_Corsica
15.2 Latvian
7.6 AASI
4.2 SSA
1.0 East_Eurasian

Target: Balochi_A:HGDP00074
Distance: 3.8657% / 0.03865712
62.0 Iran_N
13.4 French_Corsica
13.0 Latvian
11.0 AASI
0.6 East_Eurasian

Target: Balochi_A:HGDP00066
Distance: 3.8217% / 0.03821701
58.6 Iran_N
15.4 Latvian
15.2 French_Corsica
10.8 AASI

Target: Balochi_A:HGDP00062
Distance: 2.3876% / 0.02387604
61.4 Iran_N
19.8 French_Corsica
10.6 AASI
8.2 Latvian


Target: Iranian_Bandari:BanII90
Distance: 2.3296% / 0.02329621
54.6 Iran_N
24.2 French_Corsica
9.2 AASI
7.4 Latvian
4.6 SSA

Target: Iranian_Bandari:BanII80
Distance: 2.2094% / 0.02209399
47.2 Iran_N
32.6 French_Corsica
9.2 AASI
7.8 Latvian
3.2 SSA

 

[Kurdquistador]

this is how we Kurds score. this is the averaged / merged result :

Target: Kurdish
Distance: 3.1416% / 0.03141641
52.4 French_Corsica
46.8 Iran_N
0.8 East_Eurasian


we have no AASI and no ssa unlike the people above . no Kurdish individual in the dataset scores any except 2-3 ezids having a little bit .

some persian samples score some

Target: Iranian_Persian_Shiraz:SHII94
Distance: 3.0075% / 0.03007459
45.2 French_Corsica
43.0 Iran_N
6.6 AASI
3.2 East_Eurasian
2.0 Latvian


Target: Iranian_Persian_Shiraz:SHII27
Distance: 2.9218% / 0.02921815
55.4 Iran_N
36.0 French_Corsica
3.8 AASI
2.6 Latvian
2.2 East_Eurasian


Target: Iranian_Fars:IREJ-T037
Distance: 2.8444% / 0.02844438
47.2 French_Corsica
44.0 Iran_N
5.4 East_Eurasian
3.4 AASI

 

[Kurdquistador]

on Eurogenes K12b many persians get more than 6% south asian .....even up to 14 % and that is persians not bandaris !

and eurogenes k12b is the best calculator to determine south asian or gypsy admix / ancestry . it shows it more detailed than G25 anyway


but yeah what i just showed you above is one of the reasons why you can NOT say Iran N is indian like because of indian like looking Balochs

 

[kakashi]

I think its the combo of both Iran N and AASI which gives the standard indian look. AASI heavy tribals start looking like some blasian like people superficially sometimes.

However I do understand what you're getting at. Its not a south asian component by default and its not by default making west asians that are Iran n heavy look south asian or something, unless there is a substantial AASI involved as well.

 

[Kurdquistador]

I think its the combo of both Iran N and AASI which gives the standard indian look. AASI heavy tribals start looking like some blasian like people superficially sometimes.

However I do understand what you're getting at. Its not a south asian component by default and its not by default making west asians that are Iran n heavy look south asian or something, unless there is a substantial AASI involved as well.

Iran N is not south asian . it is the AASI in in south asians "causing" south asians to look south asian . it is just that it is Iran.N that happened to be your predominant west eurasian source . if your predominant west eurasian ancestry was ANF it would still be the AASI causing you to look indian . not the ANF

and it is the south asian or AASI that some Iranians get making them look south asian . or balochs looking south asian is because of AASI ...not Iran N

of course there are also enviromental factors and individual look etc. playing a role . but you get the point

Iran N is not south asian and wont make people look south asian

and AASI / south asian is the reason why balkan gypsies look the way they are and often indian like ....they have around 18% or so AASI on G25 iirc . and score 25 % south asian on average in eurogenes k12b . it is not their Iran N , not their ENF / ANF , not any other thing but the AASI / south asian making them gypsoids ....

we Kurds have a lot of Iran N and we look like this :

Kurdish festival in Diyarbakır Province . analyze them . lots of Kurds

the video lags for me but you can still see many people click on the link and then watch full screen because otherwise you cant see them properly i am gathering even more Kurds for the Kurdish galleries . i already posted thousands of Kurds as you know . but will post even more ! i dont know...

www.anthroworldforum.com

The Kurds . Kurdish People gallery thread

hi . this is the kurdish gallery thread . I will post a lot of photos and videos of kurds . most are kurmanji kurds and some are zaza Kurds (and a smaller amount of ezidis and soranis ) . they are from all kind of kurdish provinces . i will post mostly kurds from turkey because i am a kurd from...

www.anthroworldforum.com

which ethnicities do we Kurds look like (collages) other than Kurdish

outtake from the Kurdish collage thread many Kurdish faces . place us please and i mean in general . please dont pick ONE or 2 people out and say "this guy/girl can pass in denmark" or some shit ...lel

www.anthroworldforum.com

 

[Kurdquistador]

by the way the balochi A samples i ran above already score around 10-11 % AASI as you see ....the Balochi B samples score even more . but a pashtun member said the balochi b samples must be mixed with sindhis so i didnt post them ....but i dont know if that afghan dude is correct with this

but yeah ....you get the point ....you can NOT base Iran N on most modern balochs since they have around 8 - 11% AASI admix which will turn many baloch individuals into south asian looking .....and you know what an average is right ? it means that if the average AASI score is lets say 10% that there will be individuals scoring 15% and 5% too for example at the same amount . and 15% will often make you look south asian

i am guessing that the closest you can get for Iran N look are lighter and non south asian looking brahuis , makrani balochs and also swarthier yagnobis . yagnobis can be modelled as Hungarian + Iran N + some east eurasian


but i will post examples tomorrow

by the way for this calculator on OP it works better to use estonian instead of latvian

 

[Beowulf]

Target: Ivan Distance: 1.7607% / 0.01760749
92.0	French_Corsica
6.8	Latvian
1.2	SSA

 

[Kurdquistador]

try with estonian instead of latvian bro . works better

Estonian,0.1329454,0.1141455,0.087756,0.0833017,0.0427771,0.0297575,0.0113745,0.0144457,0.0004091,-0.028447,6.5e-05,-0.0123489,0.0194597,0.0213591,-0.0066639,0.0017104,0.0002216,-0.0024832,0.0013451,0.0022137,0.001385,-0.0018672,0.0042644,0.0007471,0.0030535

 

[Kurdquistador]

by the way this is my result

Target: fuckeeeeer_scaled Distance: 3.9277% / 0.03927746
55.4	French_Corsica
42.4	Iran_N
2.2	East_Eurasian

 

[Kurdquistador]

@Ivorix

bro try it with estonian instead of latvian like i said above

 

[Beowulf]

@Ivorix

bro try it with estonian instead of latvian like i said above

Target: Ivan Distance: 1.7544% / 0.01754351
91.2	French_Corsica
7.6	Estonian
1.2	SSA

my family scores balto slavic usually, more my grandma:

Target: Abuela Distance: 1.6778% / 0.01677759
86.8	French_Corsica
13.0	Estonian
0.2	SSA

 

[Ponto]

I tried that calculator with the two Baltic folk, and it was the same result. The same amount of Kenyan 1.0, but I don't get any Latvian or Estonian. Not a surprise.

 

[Kurdquistador]

I tried that calculator with the two Baltic folk, and it was the same result. The same amount of Kenyan 1.0, but I don't get any Latvian or Estonian. Not a surprise.

i love the way you write and enjoy your posts a lot 😁

 

[Ponto]

Grazzi hafna.

 

[Kurdquistador]

this will be a long post but it is worth reading it all



so like i said Kurds get modelled like this :

Target: Kurdish
Distance: 3.1416% / 0.03141641
52.4 French_Corsica
46.8 Iran_N
0.8 East_Eurasian


distances to the pops

Distance to:	Kurdish
0.14090793	French_Corsica
0.15079937	Iran_N:IRN_Seh_Gabi_LN
0.18168908	Iran_N:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N:I1290
0.18172745	Iran_N:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N:I1945

look how the distance to Corsican is 14 and to the Iran N references are 15 and 18 . but together corsican + iran n the fit is 3.14 !



ok so now let us pick this apart a little and see what this means ...especially regarding of phenotype / looks

first let us try to determine how Iran N would have most likely looked like

the modern populations with the highest Iran Neolithic ancestry according to G25 are Baloch/Brahui people (member onyx said that on qpAdm Iran N doesnt work for balochis though)

however .....Balochs/Brahuis have south asian admix . so you have to be careful

but what does that mean ? it means that we have to look at the balochs who do NOT look south asian shifted

and i want to use Eurogenes K12b to analyze this


these are results of Iran N kit numbers :




Population
Western European -
Siberian -
East African -
West Central Asian 66.98 Pct
South Asian 3.52 Pct
West African 1.77 Pct
Caucasus 27.73 Pct
Finnish -
Mediterranean -
Southwest Asian -
North European -
East Asian -


Population
Western European -
Siberian -
East African 0.91 Pct
West Central Asian 60.4 Pct
South Asian 3.35 Pct
West African 4.22 Pct
Caucasus 26.68 Pct
Finnish -
Mediterranean -
Southwest Asian 4.44 Pct
North European -
East Asian -



Population
Western European -
Siberian -
East African -
West Central Asian 60.57 Pct
South Asian 5.25 Pct
West African 5.96 Pct
Caucasus 25.85 Pct
Finnish -
Mediterranean -
Southwest Asian 2.32 Pct
North European -
East Asian -


Population
Western European -
Siberian -
East African 0.27 Pct
West Central Asian 61.26 Pct
South Asian -
West African 0.33 Pct
Caucasus 32.95 Pct
Finnish -
Mediterranean -
Southwest Asian 5.18 Pct
North European -
East Asian -







notice that the Iran N scores almost no south asian . only a few percent . not more than 6 . but i ran baloch people through the calc and they get often 12 - 17 % . some even a little more if i remember right . wont check that right now but you have my word that many baloch score 12 - 17 range


so our task now is to find baloch people who score as close to the Iran N samples as possible . including as low south asian as possible

well i can show you 2 balochs who score similar to Iran N and have "only" 8.5 and 9% south asian . which is more than Iran N still dont forget . so that means that actual Iran N were a little lighter probably than these 2


but here they are

this guy :

and this Omani Baloch guy :

look at the differences to Iran N :

they get both less Caucasus than the Iran N kits

they have not that much south asian but still more than the Iran N kits

the second guy has 7% southwest asian which the Iran N ktis dont have


what does that mean ? well that means that these 2 guys even though they are probably rather close to what Iran N looked like ....Iran N were less "exotic" and lighter etc. (more caucasus , almost no south asian compared to them , and less southwest asian)

either way it means that Iran N could NOT have been more exotic or darker than these 2 men ! we can safely say that . the results speak for themselves .


but since Iran N were rather lighter and less "exotic" than these men by at least a little . these Balochs and Brahuis are most likely the best "fit" to what Iran N have looked like

now imagine you mix these people with

Corsicans :

WITHOUT ANY SOUTH ASIAN ADMIX UNLIKE A DECENT AMOUNT OF IRANIANS HAVING IT !


then you get pretty much us Kurds :

The Kurds . Kurdish People gallery thread

hi . this is the kurdish gallery thread . I will post a lot of photos and videos of kurds . most are kurmanji kurds and some are zaza Kurds (and a smaller amount of ezidis and soranis ) . they are from all kind of kurdish provinces . i will post mostly kurds from turkey because i am a kurd from...

www.anthroworldforum.com

 

[Kurdquistador]

as i said when you mix Iran N + Corsican

AND WITHOUT ANY SOUTH ASIAN ADMIX UNLIKE A DECENT AMOUNT OF IRANIANS HAVING IT FOR EXAMPLE !


then you get pretty much us Kurds :

The Kurds . Kurdish People gallery thread

hi . this is the kurdish gallery thread . I will post a lot of photos and videos of kurds . most are kurmanji kurds and some are zaza Kurds (and a smaller amount of ezidis and soranis ) . they are from all kind of kurdish provinces . i will post mostly kurds from turkey because i am a kurd from...

www.anthroworldforum.com

i think i personally look very much like a Corsican + Iran N mix . please no hate . i love u

some Kurdish outtakes

 

[Kurdquistador]

@Mesoman bro . check this out ^

 

[Kurdquistador]

more people who most likely look close to what Iran Neolithic people looked like :

 

[idklolimo]

Distance to:    Corsican+SehGabi
0.03281130    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Feyli
0.03616816    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish
0.03623301    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iran_Kordestan
0.03727924    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iraq
0.03775390    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iran_West_Azerbaijan_Urmia
0.03837781    Persian:Persian
0.03839396    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Syria_Al-Hasakah
0.03988885    Persian:Persian_Isfahan
0.04130274    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Zaza_Tunceli
0.04135294    Persian:Persian_Fars
0.04150952    Persian:Persian_Tehran
0.04285428    Persian:Persian_Fars_Shiraz
0.04327261    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Syria_Qamishli
0.04355619    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iran_Kermanshah
0.04399049    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Syria
0.05185918    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Azerbaijan
0.05217974    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_East_Azerbaijan_Tabriz
0.05218050    Persian:Persian_Tehran_o
0.05231214    North_Mesopotamia:Assyrian_Iran_o
0.05235425    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_East_Malatya
0.05257750    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran
0.05264700    Iraq:Iraqi_Arab_West_(Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.05376161    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_Tehran
0.05393695    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_Zanjan
0.05443906    Anatolia:Turkish_Southeast_simulated