post your top 100 population distances from the updated G25 modern population list (scaled)

[Kurdquistador]

EDIT : UPDATED !


use this link because some ethnic groups are not included on the vahaduo site : https://justpaste.it/6danx


vahaduo : https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/


if you want you can post more or less than 100 of course . i will post 100 myself because all the 100 populations are at a distance of less than 10.00 . and 100 is a nice number

(i took out turkish balikesir and turkish aydin btw. because there are already turkish northwest and southwest references . if you want to have them included just check out the spreadsheet that is already available on vahaduo)

i dont know why they made a "Dersim" reference ...why they didnt just include it into the "Kurdish" sample . same goes for "Ezid" . we are all Kurds . making a Dersim reference is so random ....why not Bitlis ? or Hakkari ? or Batman ?

but it is also cool on the other hand . i am from dersim and i get it as first fit which was expected


population modelling of myself :

so basically palestinian christian (who have no or very little ssa ) + northeast georgian highlander + some extra iran neolithic which the makrani sample covers + some sushi man

the problem is that makrani has 7-8 % AASI which i do not have . and the palestinian has 23-24% natufian while i have only around 7 % . and georgians have a lot more CHG than me ....even though Iran N and CHG are related but it still makes a difference . but it is still a good modelling of myself whatsoever

Target: skidrow_scaled
Distance: 2.7617% / 0.02761692
44.4 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
32.8 Georgian_Tusheti
20.2 Makrani
1.6 Eskimo
1.0 Nivkh


it also works when i replace the makrani with Iran Neo / Ganj Dareh N



Target: skidrow_scaled
Distance: 2.7525% / 0.02752454
49.8 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
33.4 Georgian_Tusheti
13.0 Iran_Neo
2.6 Eskimo
1.2 Nivkh








pop list : i removed some iranian references for myself . because they are too similar to each other . as well as parsis since they are 70-75% iranian. but they are in the spreadsheet still that i have provided above





Distance to: cs_scaled

0.02480012 Dersim
0.02575303 Syrian_Kurd
0.02661274 Bukharian_Jew
0.02718934 Ezid
0.02930760 Kurdish
0.02952615 Iranian_Lor
0.03090633 Azerbaijani
0.03116322 Turkish_East
0.03179426 Iranian_Persian_North
0.03297424 Azerbaijani_Turkey
0.03307640 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.03803817 Iranian_Azeri
0.03838570 Mountain_Jew
0.03970495 Turkish_Kayseri
0.04055661 Turkish_Adana
0.04108064 Georgian_Jew
0.04172481 Iranian_Jew
0.04197239 Assyrian
0.04543668 Udi
0.04578817 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
0.04841368 Armenian
0.04890741 Georgian_Meskheti
0.04923976 Turkish_Central
0.05079313 Armenian_Erzurum
0.05287747 Kurdish_Jew
0.05336810 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.05445024 Iraqi
0.05509439 Iranian_Arab_Khuzestan
0.05613703 Syrian_West
0.05916814 Iraqi_Jew
0.06139318 Turkish_Trabzon
0.06158229 Lebanese_Muslim
0.06277277 Greek_Cappadocia
0.06281950 Lebanese_Druze
0.06347825 Georgian_Kakheti
0.06348182 Armenian_Hemsheni
0.06349589 Georgian_Kartli
0.06376672 Druze
0.06478491 Greek_Trabzon
0.06605677 Turkish_North
0.06619833 Ahiska
0.06686535 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.07009573 Turkish_South
0.07046910 Kumyk
0.07050390 Karaite_Egypt
0.07054235 Syrian_Jew
0.07104518 Georgian_Khevsur
0.07124178 Georgian_Laz
0.07133990 Georgian_Tusheti
0.07164204 Iraqi_Arab
0.07318699 Turkish_Southwest
0.07386941 Iranian_Persian_East
0.07559539 Cypriot
0.07598095 Lebanese_Christian
0.07688274 Syrian_East
0.07926697 Ingushian
0.07939598 Greek_Dodecanese
0.07942192 Sephardic_Jew_o
0.07953270 Kabardin
0.07963547 Turkish_Northwest
0.07970136 Georgian_Adjar
0.08002601 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.08077035 Karachay
0.08088697 Parsi_Pakistan
0.08110363 Greek_Kos
0.08125253 Circassian
0.08203861 Adygei
0.08264442 Cherkes
0.08313522 Abkhasian
0.08321282 Chechen
0.08332378 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.08337354 Jordanian
0.08364104 Parsi_India
0.08409389 Greek_Crete
0.08425766 North_Ossetian
0.08455537 Balkar
0.08505520 Ossetian
0.08519140 Abazin
0.08566203 Romaniote_Jew
0.08602491 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.08615819 Georgian_Imereti
0.08660328 Tabasaran
0.08666545 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.08755152 Iranian_Bandari
0.08758523 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.08769412 Sephardic_Jew
0.08837653 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.08905684 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.08946792 Palestinian
0.09086083 Georgian_Megrelia
0.09228202 Italian_Jew
0.09247271 Italian_Calabria
0.09383941 Samaritan
0.09423464 Libyan_Jew
0.09472640 Georgian_Svan
0.09494720 Avar
0.09497014 Lak
0.09529037 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.09562331 Italian_Campania
0.09564791 Kaitag

 

[Kurdquistador]

it has several new georgian references + armenian erzurum reference btw

georgian megrelia
georgian svan
georgian khevsur
georgian kartli
georgian kakheti
georgian ajara
georgian tusheti

as i expected i am closer to georgian kartli and kakheti than to the other georgians

 

[Kurdquistador]

i wonder what the iraqi reference exactly is . iirc i have been told that it has kurds , assyrians , iraqi arabs , and maybe iraqi turkmens too in it . and the reference is fairly close to levantines

it seems i am like a mixed iraqi + mountain georgian mix + a little sushi man

not a phenomenal fit at 3.2 of course but still decent . considerably better than the distance to each sample

Target: skidrow_scaled Distance: 3.2171% / 0.03217145
58.0	Iraqi
40.0	Georgian_Tusheti
2.0	Nivkh

Distance to:	skidrow_scaled
0.05445024	Iraqi
0.07133990	Georgian_Tusheti
0.57496784	Nivkh

 

[Kurdquistador]

works with khevsurs too

Target: skidrow_scaled Distance: 3.2816% / 0.03281634
57.6	Iraqi
40.2	Georgian_Khevsur
2.2	Nivkh

 

[Kurdquistador]

the same with the kurdish sample / reference

Spoiler

Target: Kurdish Distance: 1.4845% / 0.01484505
41.8	Georgian_Tusheti
40.0	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
16.8	Iran_Neo
0.8	Nivkh
0.6	Eskimo_Sireniki

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Target: Kurdish Distance: 1.6999% / 0.01699873
41.4	Georgian_Tusheti
33.4	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
25.2	Makrani

 

[Kurdquistador]

bump

 

[Merd]

use this link because some ethnic groups are not included on the vahaduo site : https://justpaste.it/39wur


vahaduo : https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/


if you want you can post more or less than 100 of course . i will post 100 myself because all the 100 populations are at a distance of less than 10.00 . and 100 is a nice number

(i took out turkish balikesir and turkish aydin btw. because there are already turkish northwest and southwest references . if you want to have them included just check out the spreadsheet that is already available on vahaduo)

i dont know why they made a "Dersim" reference ...why they didnt just include it into the "Kurdish" sample . same goes for "Ezid" . we are all Kurds . making a Dersim reference is so random ....why not Bitlis ? or Hakkari ? or Batman ?

but it is also cool on the other hand . i am from dersim and i get it as first fit which was expected


population modelling of myself :

so basically palestinian christian (who have no or very little ssa ) + northeast georgian highlander + some extra iran neolithic which the makrani sample covers + some sushi man

the problem is that makrani has 7-8 % AASI which i do not have . and the palestinian has 23-24% natufian while i have only around 7 % . and georgians have a lot more CHG than me ....even though Iran N and CHG are related but it still makes a difference . but it is still a good modelling of myself whatsoever

Target: skidrow_scaled
Distance: 2.7617% / 0.02761692
44.4 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
32.8 Georgian_Tusheti
20.2 Makrani
1.6 Eskimo
1.0 Nivkh


it also works when i replace the makrani with Iran Neo / Ganj Dareh N



Target: skidrow_scaled
Distance: 2.7525% / 0.02752454
49.8 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
33.4 Georgian_Tusheti
13.0 Iran_Neo
2.6 Eskimo
1.2 Nivkh








pop list : i removed some iranian references . because they are too similar to each other . but they are in the spreadsheet still that i have provided above

Distance to:	skidrow_scaled
0.02480012	Dersim
0.02718934	Ezid
0.02930760	Kurdish
0.02952615	Iranian_Lor
0.03090633	Azerbaijani
0.03116322	Turkish_East
0.03179426	Iranian_Persian_North
0.03297424	Azerbaijani_Turkey
0.03307640	Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.03803817	Iranian_Azeri
0.03970495	Turkish_Kayseri
0.03974888	Mountain_Jew
0.04055661	Turkish_Adana
0.04108064	Georgian_Jew
0.04172481	Iranian_Jew
0.04197239	Assyrian
0.04543668	Udi
0.04578817	Azerbaijani_Dagestan
0.04841368	Armenian
0.04923976	Turkish_Central
0.05079313	Armenian_Erzurum
0.05445024	Iraqi
0.05509439	Iranian_Arab_Khuzestan
0.05558518	Syrian
0.05916814	Iraqi_Jew
0.06139318	Turkish_Trabzon
0.06158229	Lebanese_Muslim
0.06277277	Greek_Cappadocia
0.06281950	Lebanese_Druze
0.06347825	Georgian_Kakheti
0.06348182	Armenian_Hemsheni
0.06349589	Georgian_Kartli
0.06376672	Druze
0.06478491	Greek_Trabzon
0.06605677	Turkish_North
0.06619833	Ahiska
0.06686535	Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.07009573	Turkish_South
0.07046910	Kumyk
0.07050390	Karaite_Egypt
0.07054235	Syrian_Jew
0.07104518	Georgian_Khevsur
0.07133990	Georgian_Tusheti
0.07168944	Georgian_Laz
0.07318699	Turkish_Southwest
0.07559539	Cypriot
0.07598095	Lebanese_Christian
0.07926697	Ingushian
0.07939598	Greek_Dodecanese
0.07942192	Sephardic_Jew_o
0.07953270	Kabardin
0.07963547	Turkish_Northwest
0.07970136	Georgian_Ajar
0.08002601	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.08050307	Karachay
0.08088697	Parsi_Pakistan
0.08110363	Greek_Kos
0.08125253	Circassian
0.08203861	Adygei
0.08264442	Cherkes
0.08267569	Chechen
0.08313522	Abkhasian
0.08332378	Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.08337354	Jordanian
0.08364104	Parsi_India
0.08368094	Balkar
0.08409389	Greek_Crete
0.08425766	North_Ossetian
0.08505520	Ossetian
0.08513657	Georgian_Imer
0.08519140	Abazin
0.08566203	Romaniote_Jew
0.08602491	Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.08660328	Tabasaran
0.08666545	Ashkenazi_Russia
0.08755152	Iranian_Bandari
0.08758523	Ashkenazi_Poland
0.08769412	Sephardic_Jew
0.08837653	Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.08905684	Ashkenazi_Germany
0.08946792	Palestinian
0.09086083	Georgian_Megrelia
0.09228202	Italian_Jew
0.09247271	Italian_Calabria
0.09383941	Samaritan
0.09423464	Libyan_Jew
0.09472640	Georgian_Svan
0.09494720	Avar
0.09497014	Lak
0.09529037	Tajik_Yagnobi
0.09562331	Italian_Campania
0.09564791	Kaitag
0.09660193	Tunisian_Jew
0.09700174	Turkish_Rumeli
0.09702648	Italian_Basilicata
0.09705084	Moroccan_Jew
0.09737441	Greek_Izmir
0.09876032	Maltese
0.09951549	Sicilian_East
0.09967117	Italian_Apulia

Vahaduo since it is open source is infested with especially Turkish nationalists but also some Iranian nationalists. I know that at least several of the Kurdish clusters are manipulated by Turks. This weirdos create a "Eastern Turkish" cluster and a Dersim cluster to prove that certain Kurdish groups are "Eastern Turks" not mentioning that those "Eastern Turks are in reality assimilated Kurds, Laz and Armenians. They also created a Feyli and Lak cluster like hell if those people are non Kurds. As long as this political nonsense is not fixed I am not suggesting to anyone, to use it.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Vahaduo since it is open source is infested with especially Turkish nationalists but also some Iranian nationalists. I know that at least several of the Kurdish clusters are manipulated by Turks. This weirdos create a "Eastern Turkish" cluster and a Dersim cluster to prove that certain Kurdish groups are "Eastern Turks" not mentioning that those "Eastern Turks are in reality assimilated Kurds, Laz and Armenians. They also created a Feyli and Lak cluster like hell if those people are non Kurds. As long as this political nonsense is not fixed I am not suggesting to anyone, to use it.

huh ? . are turks maintaining vahaduo ?

but wait a minute .....the population references are from the eurogenes site not vahaduo

either way i dont see the point of creating a dersim , a kurdish , and an ezid reference instead of putting them all together

 

[Merd]

huh ? . are turks maintaining vahaduo ?

but wait a minute .....the population references are from the eurogenes site not vahaduo

either way i dont see the point of creating a dersim , a kurdish , and an ezid reference instead of putting them all together

No they aren't from Eurogenes that is the clue of Vahaduo. Almost anyone can add samples into the existing cluster and create new once. Not a Turk is maintaining Vahaduo but at least 2 Turks which I know off (one is or was active on Anthrogenica) are responsible for several clusters.

Lak, Feyli Ezidi, Dersim clusters do not exist in the OG Eurogenes dataset. They are added from other people using Vahaduo open source version.

The idea behind this was initially to hold the calculators up to date with more samples. It was meant good by the site owner. However it has been hijacked heavily by brain dead ideological and racist people.

 

[Kurdquistador]

i am confused . i got the spreadsheet from eurogenes . on eurogenes there is dersim etc. . not on vahaduo anymore

it is not that i dont believe you btw. . what you say would make sense . turks are a annoying as fuck in these forums . but i got the coordinates for the pops in OP from eurogenes

 

[Merd]

i am confused . i got the spreadsheet from eurogenes . on eurogenes there is dersim etc. . not on vahaduo anymore

it is not that i dont believe you btw. . what you say would make sense . turks are a annoying as fuck in these forums . but i got the coordinates for the pops in OP from eurogenes

The founder of Vahaduo is also a Polish person and close to Davidski from Eurogenes Blogspot. Davidski probably just took over the new samples and cluster. But they are added on Vahaduo by third persons. Not Davidski and not even the Vahaduo owner. The owner of the site is active on the apricity ask himself. He is actually a fine guy. The problem is weirdos have hijacked his project. They have done the same also with the Dodecad versions of Vahaduo.

 

[Kurdquistador]

turks always try misportray us

lately some turks said this to me :

"Some of the people you've posted in the images aren't Kurdish as far as I know, some of the ones at the start I mean"

me : who is not kurdish of the people i posted ?

him : "I mean, I can't really confirm for sure, but the 2nd guy doesn't look Kurdish. Or the blond dude with the blue eyes, he looks like he's more from northeast of Turkey. Probably comes from one of the Turkmen tribes that embraced a Kurdish identity due to the tax exemption law hundreds of years ago."


what a cocksucker . of course i told him that all the people i post are ethnic kurds because they are . and the blond blue eyed man has very typical kurdish facial features btw.

they shall go and fuck themselves . they are so annoying and talk so much nonsense it is crazy

and now they even highjacked vahaduo ? ...

 

[Merd]

turks always try misportray us

lately some turks said this to me :

"Some of the people you've posted in the images aren't Kurdish as far as I know, some of the ones at the start I mean"

me : who is not kurdish of the people i posted ?

him : "I mean, I can't really confirm for sure, but the 2nd guy doesn't look Kurdish. Or the blond dude with the blue eyes, he looks like he's more from northeast of Turkey. Probably comes from one of the Turkmen tribes that embraced a Kurdish identity due to the tax exemption law hundreds of years ago."


what a cocksucker . of course i told him that all the people i post are ethnic kurds because they are . and the blond blue eyed man has very typical kurdish facial features btw.

they shall go and fuck themselves . they are so annoying and talk so much nonsense it is crazy

and now they even highjacked vahaduo ? ...

they have hijacked everything. Turkish radical nationalists are some of the lowest scums on planet earth when it coems to faking history and facts. Yes the new Vahaduo clusters are added by "random" people and I know some of them are Turks. Not all of them do it on purpose but allot do it. Davidski or Lucas (founder of Vahaduo) have no idea where Dersim lies let alone what Feylis or Lakis are. It is out of the possibility that they added them. And I know they rarely add new groups to their calculators. Mind you Iranian chauvinists are not much better in this regard. Feyli and Laki groups are added by them. But Iranian chauvinists are less relevant in comparison to Turkish ultra radicals.

 

[Kurdquistador]

bump

i updated the spreadsheet and posted my updated list

try yours

 

[Kurdquistador]

i updated the list once more

there is a Georgian_Meshketi reference now . and it is fairly close to us kurds as you see in my list (the kurdish reference is even closer to it ) . it is the closest georgian reference to us . i guess it makes sense geographically ?

meshketi region of Georgia :

 

[Kurdquistador]

Target: cs_scaled
Distance: 2.7625% / 0.02762454 | R5P
44.0 Georgian_Meskheti
30.0 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
26.0 Tajik_Badakshan


Target: cs_scaled
Distance: 2.6172% / 0.02617180 | R3P
46.2 Georgian_Meskheti
27.0 Tajik_Badakshan
26.8 Samaritan

 

[Hispania]

Distance to:	Me
0.02580337	Spanish_Girona
0.02609615	Spanish_Mallorca
0.02649581	Spanish_Penedes
0.02708760	Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02746428	Spanish_Baleares
0.02762188	Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02799843	French_Provence
0.02845723	Spanish_Cataluna
0.02853000	Spanish_Eivissa
0.02865196	Swiss_French
0.02891791	Spanish_Lleida
0.02894465	Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02912660	Spanish_Galicia
0.02917060	Spanish_Alacant
0.02973828	Portuguese
0.02975129	Spanish_Castello
0.02988657	Spanish_Valencia
0.03004479	Spanish_Aragon
0.03005389	Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03038693	French_Auvergne
0.03051055	Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03136238	Spanish_Pirineu
0.03163962	Spanish_Cantabria
0.03168944	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03185852	Spanish_Barcelones
0.03220915	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.03255336	Spanish_Murcia
0.03283946	Spanish_Andalucia
0.03331610	Spanish_Extremadura
0.03333487	French_Occitanie
0.03421018	Spanish_Soria
0.03532911	Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03545938	Spanish_Menorca
0.03587489	Spanish_Navarra
0.03857458	French_South
0.03876124	Italian_Northeast
0.03890949	Italian_Veneto
0.03942002	French_Paris
0.03959339	Swiss_German
0.04036104	Italian_Bergamo
0.04086539	Spanish_Asturias
0.04248779	French_Nord
0.04303673	Swiss_Italian
0.04304555	French_Alsace
0.04312086	Italian_Liguria
0.04370114	Italian_Lombardy
0.04393023	Spanish_La_Rioja
0.04442131	Belgian
0.04563906	Italian_Piedmont
0.04565366	French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04787420	Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.05059621	French_Corsica
0.05159486	Spanish_Canarias
0.05172911	Basque_French
0.05226051	Basque_Spanish
0.05252155	Italian_Tuscany
0.05425250	Romanian
0.05498166	Afrikaner
0.05562535	French_Brittany
0.05587083	French_Seine-Maritime
0.05790956	Montenegrin
0.05861940	Austrian
0.05988875	Bulgarian
0.06052540	German
0.06055868	Macedonian
0.06107036	Italian_Umbria
0.06243597	Serbian
0.06256321	Greek_Thessaly
0.06259997	Welsh
0.06288843	English_Cornwall
0.06330841	Italian_Marche
0.06380462	Albanian
0.06380764	Gagauz
0.06485317	Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.06492398	English
0.06588953	Moldovan
0.06671001	Dutch
0.06745358	Rumelia_East
0.06810884	Scottish
0.06825478	Greek_Macedonia
0.06851568	Italian_Lazio
0.06886564	Hungarian
0.06914935	Croatian
0.06927882	Bosnian
0.06950490	Orcadian
0.06992352	Irish
0.07178617	Slovenian
0.07198880	Shetlandic
0.07317722	Greek_Peloponnese
0.07433958	Italian_Abruzzo
0.07435597	Italian_Molise
0.07475740	Danish
0.07566383	Sicilian_West
0.07694812	Norwegian
0.07728570	Turkish_Deliorman
0.07762529	German_East
0.07879014	Roma_Barcelona
0.07902957	Greek_Laconia
0.07969733	Czech
0.08030523	Icelandic

 

[Ben Dover]

i updated the list once more

there is a Georgian_Meshketi reference now . and it is fairly close to us kurds as you see in my list (the kurdish reference is even closer to it ) . it is the closest georgian reference to us . i guess it makes sense geographically ?

meshketi region of Georgia :

The meskheti georgian reference is closest to the references of erzurum armenian and armenian. It is also quite close to georgian jewish average that in my opinion needs some moderation.

 

[Ben Dover]

as i expected i am closer to georgian kartli and kakheti than to the other georgians

What are your distances to kahketi and kartli references? Also I would assume that you would be closer to meskhetian georgian reference group than to the previous two groups.

Edit: nvm I saw the list

 

[Ben Dover]

You should also use the updated assyrian and armenian averages with outliers excluded so that it gives you a better picture of what your distances are. I wish someone excluded the outliers from georgian jewish averages.