off topic chat thread

[Ben Dover]

Balkan Turks seem to be circa 5% Mongoloid

 

[KARABOĞA]

Balkan Turks seem to be circa 5% Mongoloid

some have 10%+ more mongoloid, it's heterogeneous. much more than eastern anatolians. for example half pomak half balkan turk user kaspias from ta has 7-10% mongoloid as far as is know.

 

[Ben Dover]

some have 10%+ more mongoloid, it's heterogeneous. much more than eastern anatolians. for example half pomak half balkan turk user kaspias from ta has 7-10% mongoloid as far as is know.

sometimes the references don't really represent individuals but that's fine

 

[Ben Dover]

some have 10%+ more mongoloid, it's heterogeneous. much more than eastern anatolians. for example half pomak half balkan turk user kaspias from ta has 7-10% mongoloid as far as is know.

btw on which calculator did he score 7-10% mongoloid?

 

[Ben Dover]

@ESARHADDON

Target: Balochi_A
Distance: 2.5805% / 0.02580496
37.2 Western_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N
16.8 Western_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
14.6 Mediterranean
8.8 Southern_Asia_10KYA_Simulated_AASI_4
8.4 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya
6.0 Northeast_Europe_10KYA_RUS_Karelia_HG
4.8 Northern_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_I2312_all_d
2.6 Central_Europe_10KYA_Mako_HG_Simulated
0.8 Arabian_Hunter-Gatherer_Simulated

Target: Balochi_B
Distance: 2.2795% / 0.02279541
24.2 Zagros_Mountains_10KYA_IRN_Wezmeh_N_WC1
20.6 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya
19.8 Western_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
12.2 Southern_Asia_10KYA_Simulated_AASI_1
9.6 Mediterranean
5.8 Northern_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_I2312_all_d
4.6 Western_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N
1.6 Central_Europe_10KYA_Vatya_HG_Simulated
1.2 Northeast_Europe_10KYA_RUS_Karelia_HG
0.2 Northwest_Africa_10KYA_MAR_Taforalt_TAF011
0.2 South_Baltic_Coast_10KYA_Baltic_BA_HG_Simulated

 

[KARABOĞA]

btw on which calculator did he score 7-10% mongoloid?

i guess dodecad k12b but not sure.

 

[Ben Dover]

i guess dodecad k12b but not sure.

gedmatch always inflates those numbers. If not always then at least most of the time

 

[KARABOĞA]

can u post central-east turkish (if there is something like this) and turkey kurdish average?

 

[Ben Dover]

can u post central-east turkish (if there is something like this) and turkey kurdish average?

yes I will

 

[Ben Dover]

@goldenhand

Target: Kurdish_Zaza_Tunceli
Distance: 2.7702% / 0.02770194
33.8 Mediterranean
21.6 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya
12.2 Zagros_Mountains_10KYA_IRN_Wezmeh_N_WC1
10.8 Satsurblia_CHG
9.2 Western_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.2 Arabian_Hunter-Gatherer_Simulated
2.6 Northern_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_I2312_all_d
1.2 Western_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N
0.2 East_Asia(center)_10KYA_CHN_Yellow_River_XW-M1R18
0.2 East_Asia(north)_10KYA_CHN_Amur_River_9200BP



Target: Turkish_Central
Distance: 2.4685% / 0.02468510
38.0 Mediterranean
17.8 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya
15.4 Satsurblia_CHG
8.4 Arabian_Hunter-Gatherer_Simulated
7.8 Zagros_Mountains_10KYA_IRN_Wezmeh_N_WC1
4.6 East_Asia(north)_10KYA_MNG_East_N
4.2 Northern_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_I2312_all_d
1.4 East_Asia(center)_10KYA_CHN_Yellow_River_XW-M1R18
1.4 East_Asia(center)_10KYA_CHN_Yumin_N
0.6 Central_Europe_10KYA_Vatya_HG_Simulated
0.4 South_Baltic_Coast_10KYA_Baltic_BA_HG_Simulated



Target: Turkish_East
Distance: 2.5694% / 0.02569414
37.4 Mediterranean
18.6 Satsurblia_CHG
16.6 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya
8.4 Arabian_Hunter-Gatherer_Simulated
7.4 Zagros_Mountains_10KYA_IRN_Wezmeh_N_WC1
6.4 Western_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.2 Northern_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_I2312_all_d
0.8 East_Asia(north)_10KYA_CHN_Amur_River_9200BP
0.8 East_Asia(north)_10KYA_MNG_East_N
0.4 Southeast_Siberia_10KYA_RUS_Shamanka_N

 

[KARABOĞA]

interesting if "northern european" means steppe for dodecacadk12b usually central anatolians have more northern euro than turkey kurds but in this kurds have slightly more steppe.

 

[Ben Dover]

interesting if "northern european" means steppe for dodecacadk12b usually central anatolians have more northern euro than turkey kurds but in this kurds have slightly more steppe.

I think North European component on Dodecad k12b peaks in Baltic people, Latvians perhaps, but I am not sure what the actual base of that component is. Considering the fact that it's Gedmatch, it will be based on some modern population

 

[Ben Dover]

Target: cs_scaled
Distance: 2.7343% / 0.02734343
36.0 Mediterranean
21.2 Western_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N
17.8 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya
9.4 Arabian_Hunter-Gatherer_Simulated
7.8 Zagros_Mountains_10KYA_IRN_Wezmeh_N_WC1
6.2 Satsurblia_CHG
1.2 East_Asia(north)_10KYA_CHN_Amur_River_9200BP
0.2 East_Asia(north)_10KYA_CHN_Amur_River_10600BP
0.2 North_America_10KYA_CAN_XVII-B-939

@goldenhand for example this is how crusher gets modeled

 

[KARABOĞA]

btw what is the georgian steppe percentage for this calculator (i mean you posted)

 

[Ben Dover]

btw what is the georgian steppe percentage for this calculator (i mean you posted)

for what type of Georgian

 

[KARABOĞA]

for what type of Georgian

does it matter much? for example adjaran and svan.

 

[Ben Dover]

does it matter much? for example adjaran and svan.

it matters a lot because there is a huge diversity in steppe scores in georgians

 

[Ben Dover]

@goldenhand

Target: Georgian_Svaneti
Distance: 3.5131% / 0.03513113
52.6 Satsurblia_CHG
31.8 Mediterranean
7.2 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya
5.4 Arabian_Hunter-Gatherer_Simulated
1.2 Central_Europe_10KYA_Vatya_HG_Simulated
0.8 Southeast_Siberia_10KYA_RUS_Shamanka_N
0.8 Western_Siberia_10KYA_RUS_Tyumen_HG
0.2 North_America_10KYA_CAN_XVII-B-939



Target: Georgian_Ajar
Distance: 3.6067% / 0.03606681
48.2 Satsurblia_CHG
37.2 Mediterranean
7.6 Arabian_Hunter-Gatherer_Simulated
5.8 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya
1.0 Zagros_Mountains_10KYA_IRN_Wezmeh_N_WC1
0.2 Northern_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_I2312_all_d

 

[Ben Dover]

@goldenhand but then again you also have Tush and Khevsurs. This is why I said that there is a huge diversity

Target: Georgian_Tush
Distance: 3.1961% / 0.03196082
35.0 Satsurblia_CHG
33.2 Mediterranean
22.2 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya
4.4 Arabian_Hunter-Gatherer_Simulated
4.4 Northern_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_I2312_all_d
0.8 Zagros_Mountains_10KYA_IRN_Wezmeh_N_WC1


Target: Georgian_Khevs
Distance: 3.0887% / 0.03088739
35.6 Satsurblia_CHG
30.6 Mediterranean
22.2 Steppe_Proto_Yamnaya
6.0 Arabian_Hunter-Gatherer_Simulated
2.8 Northern_Iran_10KYA_IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_I2312_all_d
2.8 Zagros_Mountains_10KYA_IRN_Wezmeh_N_WC1

 

[Ben Dover]

This guy is Khevsur