If you dress as a local (and don't speak) where do you think you'll pass without being seen as a foreigner ?

[Kurdquistador]

levantines are the vikings of west asia of course . what else is new xD

 

[ImHere]

nope proper arabs in the levant are much more mixed than arabs in saudi arabia or Iraq and the fact that you lived in georgia might explain why you seem to have a stereotypical view of these people

Here the syrians and lebanese I've met don't look much different from anatolians in many cases some even look very european. The jordanians I knew here looked more levantine than saudi and iraqis are diverse.

I can vouch on that. Seen lots of levantines now. A good number(not that high though) can easily pass in England or Denmark.
And most jordanians just look like other levantines

 

[Ben Dover]

I can vouch on that. Seen lots of levantines now. A good number(not that high though) can easily pass in England or Denmark.
And most jordanians just look like other levantines

Interesting

 

[Nassbean]

Arabs living in southern and eastern syria are of bedouin stock and are close genetically to saudis, iraqi arabs and jordanians included. There is no reason to deny this.

I think you are one of those people who think of alawite syrians and lebanese as whites or euros of western asia which is BS. It is also not about the skin color that I am concerned about it is facial features as well. I don't have typical levantine facial features and that's that. I pass better in southern europe and in a few parts of western asia compared strictly northern levant.

Why would I "deny" or lie about these things ? I have nothing to do with these people so there is no reason for me to be biased anyway here :

Target: BedouinB Distance: 5.2879% / 0.05287902
69.8	Levant_Natufian
19.4	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.6	Anatolia_Barcin_N
2.2	GEO_CHG

levantine bedouins :

Target: BedouinA Distance: 2.4521% / 0.02452116
41.4	Levant_Natufian
23.6	Anatolia_Barcin_N
17.8	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
10.0	GEO_CHG
4.4	Yoruba
2.8	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

And I don't think levantines are "light" or euro looking just that they have a sizeable amount of people who would pass easily in southern europe that's it but most look like your regular mena but you really exaggerate in regards to your look. You look like the regular turk we have here and such phenotype isn't extremely different from what exist in the levant especially that I mistook many times some syrians for turks/anatolians

 

[Nassbean]

I can vouch on that. Seen lots of levantines now. A good number(not that high though) can easily pass in England or Denmark.
And most jordanians just look like other levantines

There aren't many of them here and yet I've seen many who looked euro (much more than turks I'd say) but of course most don't look european at all

 

[Kurdquistador]

of course there is overlap with levantines but overall anatolians (yes also the very very very dark eastern turkey with its extremely exotic kurds....) are lighter and more "european" looking than levantines especially more so if you count jordan , south syria etc.

unless you take our gypsies as benchmark of course like many people unknowingly do . then it is different

 

[Kurdquistador]

lol at levantines looking more euro than turks

gtfo

 

[Ben Dover]

Why would I "deny" or lie about these things ? I have nothing to do with these people so there is no reason for me to be biased anyway here :

Target: BedouinB Distance: 5.2879% / 0.05287902
69.8	Levant_Natufian
19.4	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.6	Anatolia_Barcin_N
2.2	GEO_CHG

levantine bedouins :

Target: BedouinA Distance: 2.4521% / 0.02452116
41.4	Levant_Natufian
23.6	Anatolia_Barcin_N
17.8	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
10.0	GEO_CHG
4.4	Yoruba
2.8	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

And I don't think levantines are "light" or euro looking just that they have a sizeable amount of people who would pass easily in southern europe that's it but most look like your regular mena but you really exaggerate in regards to your look. You look like the regular turk we have here and such phenotype isn't extremely different from what exist in the levant especially that I mistook many times some syrians for turks/anatolians

I always saw myself as an exotic person but not to this huge degree. You are exotyfing me dude...

Just so you know Barcin component itself is heavily natufian so in total all these populations are heavily natufian and SW asian.

I can pass as turkish easily but I pass better in northern west asia than in levant. End of the story.

 

[Nassbean]

bro I talk about my experience why do you get offended by this ?

 

[Kurdquistador]

mesoman passes in whole south europe especially portugal . in fact it is one of his best fits . and he can also pass atypically in france and austria .

 

[Kurdquistador]

bro I talk about my experience why do you get offended by this ?

who said i get offended . i just find it hilarious

 

[ImHere]

There aren't many of them here and yet I've seen many who looked euro (much more than turks I'd say) but of course most don't look european at all

Some turks look uber english/danish too, without any balkan ancestry.

I dont think thats true. There are many more turks who can pass in balkans in comparison to levantines. But if it comes to people who passes in England or such, i still say there might be more turks?
But levantines still do have a good amount of western passing folks

 

[Nassbean]

I always saw myself as an exotic person but not to this huge degree. You are exotyfing me dude...

Just so you know Barcin component itself is heavily natufian so in total all these populations are heavily natufian and SW asian.

I can pass as turkish easily but I pass better in northern west asia than in levant. End of the story.

are you aware that the barcin component peaks in southern europe ? and what's "exotic" about levantines ? And yes you pass better in Northern west asia but still it doesn't mean you'll be extremely different in a levantine crowd stop exaggerating

 

[ImHere]

are you aware that the barcin component peaks in southern europe ? and what's "exotic" about levantines ? And yes you pass better in Northern west asia but still it doesn't mean you'll be extremely different in a levantine crowd stop exaggerating

To be fair, levantines can be pretty dark too. Lots score like 4-5% SSA(when talking about lebanese and syrians). Some syrians even gets up to 8-10%, and sometimes can look pretty dark for that reason. This is why you can always find some very southern passing people in syrian crowd pics. Jordanians on average seems to get 6-7% SSA, though they arent much more "darker" than syrians/lebanese, in fact barely.

I gotta say, there still are a good number of euro passing levantines

 

[Kurdquistador]

levantines are not even more muh yuropeen or lighter than the darkest places of turkey . north and west turkey is even more ridiculous to claim

 

[Ben Dover]

are you aware that the barcin component peaks in southern europe ? and what's "exotic" about levantines ? And yes you pass better in Northern west asia but still it doesn't mean you'll be extremely different in a levantine crowd stop exaggerating

You are putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that I would look extremely different in lebanon for example but I said that I don't look typically lebaneae or levantine to go completely unnoticed as if I was 100% lebanese. Also, you claimed that I could go unnoticed in jordan and iraq which I already explained why I disagree with it.

The fact is that Barcin component for the most part is natufian+ some CHG + little steppe.

 

[Kurdquistador]

barcin is not natufian + chg / steppe wtf

 

[Nassbean]

To be fair, levantines can be pretty dark too. Lots score like 4-5% SSA(when talking about lebanese and syrians). Some syrians even gets up to 8-10%, and sometimes can look pretty dark for that reason. This is why you can always find some very southern passing people in syrian crowd pics. Jordanians on average seems to get 6-7% SSA, though they arent much more "darker" than syrians/lebanese, in fact barely.

I gotta say, there still are a good number of euro passing levantines

these are simply outliers and are obviously not representative

Dark/ssa types are much more common in Iraq and the arabian peninsula

 

[Ben Dover]

Either some of you don't know what pure blooded english people look like and therefore claim that minority or some lebanese/levantines can pass among them or ...

 

[Ben Dover]

barcin is not natufian + chg / steppe wtf

The model that I saw was exactly that way. If I am wrong then educate me