If you dress as a local (and don't speak) where do you think you'll pass without being seen as a foreigner ?

[ImHere]

these are simply outliers and are obviously not representative

Dark/ssa types are much more common in Iraq and the arabian peninsula

Gotta agree, saudis can be really dark, even with as much SSA as jordanians or less even

 

[Nassbean]

You are putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that I would look extremely different in lebanon for example but I said that I don't look typically lebaneae or levantine to go completely unnoticed as if I was 100% lebanese. Also, you claimed that I could go unnoticed in jordan and iraq which I already explained why I disagree with it.

The fact is that Barcin component for the most part is natufian+ some CHG + little steppe.

who said you look typically levantine ? I just said that at first sight they will not view you as a foreigner/tourist and in iraq/jordan it depends on the area.

ANF is mostly dzudzuana with some natufian

 

[Ben Dover]

who said you look typically levantine ? I just said that at first sight they will not view you as a foreigner/tourist and in iraq/jordan it depends on the area.

ANF is mostly dzudzuana with some natufian

Bruh. Please check out what jordanians and iraqi arabs look like and then take a look at my pictures...

 

[Kurdquistador]

do you know which region has the highest overlap with levantines in turkey ? : hatay / iskenderun , urfa . those areas

and do you know which places are the darkest and most "exotic" ? without counting gypsies .... : .hatay / iskenderun , urfa . those areas

 

[Nassbean]

Either some of you don't know what pure blooded english people look like and therefore claim that minority or some lebanese/levantines can pass among them or ...

I actually agree with him, recently I went to a syrian restaurant and one of the worker looked strangely NW euro so it can happen

here a known example :

 

[Ben Dover]

I think vengeance also posted asome iraqi crowd pictures and you can take a look at that as well. I don't think that those crowd pictures are cherrypicked

 

[Ben Dover]

I actually agree with him, recently I went to a syrian restaurant and one of the worker looked strangely NW euro so it can happen

here a known example :

I have seen that guy before and he is very atypical.

 

[Nassbean]

I have seen that guy before and he is very atypical.

of course he is but such type do exist myself saw one IRL

 

[Kurdquistador]

so what ?

it doesnt change the fact that levantines are darker overall than turkey

i am not saying levantines have no overlap with turkey . i am one of the people who even count northern levant as northern west asia

 

[Nassbean]

so what ?

it doesnt change the fact that levantines are darker overall than turkey

i am not saying levantines have no overlap with turkey . i am one of the people who even count northern levant as northern west asia

you talk as if difference was like day and night

in terms of pigmentation there aren't much differences between med people let alone between anatolians and levantines ; difference is mostly in terms of facial features certainly not pigmentation

 

[Kurdquistador]

you talk as if difference was like day and night

in terms of pigmentation there aren't much differences between med people let alone between anatolians and levantines ; difference is mostly in terms of facial features certainly not pigmentation

the difference is not big of course . but trust me people from turkey are lighter overall . and also more light eyes

and there are a decent amount of arabid etc. levantines who will look exotic for any region of turkey . so yes features are more of a difference

 

[Nassbean]

let's agree to disagree and tell us where do you think you'll pass without being seen as a foreigner

 

[Kurdquistador]

let's agree to disagree and tell us where do you think you'll pass without being seen as a foreigner

are you trying to bait me into something ?

 

[Nassbean]

are you trying to bait me into something ?

???

 

[Kurdquistador]

@ImHere

can you do a map for me too bro ?

Spoiler

 

[Asil Erten]

My playground; ( red is best, navy is rarely)

 

[Kurdquistador]

I will do it. I didn't select Syria or Iran, because outside Rojava (Western Kurdistan) and Rojhelat (Eastern Kurdistan) + Iranian Azerbaijan you don't really pass as a local in those countries.

is the parts of northern west asia and southeast europe being blue your actual opinion ? all jokes aside with the rest

 

[Guti]

Yeah, I selected Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Romania, Albania and Sicily. I think that if you walked there people would not ask you where you are from, because they would think you are from their place.

However, I did exclude Iran. In Western Iran people wouldn't ask you either where you are from. But more to the east, Iranians in the east would think you are not really local and more from the western Iran or Turkey or something.
You could never be a 'posterboy' for an Iranid phenotype so to speak.
To be honest to you, although you look very Kurdish, I would not consider you to be a 'posterboy' for a Kurdish nation either. By 'posterboy' I mean an average Kurd.

I excluded Semitic/Arabic countries, because I don't think you look Semitic. You look more Turkish first than Lebanese or Jordanian. I think that people in the Levant would associate you with Turkey.


I don't know exactly how a Kurdish 'posterboy' might look like, but I have an example how a Kurdish 'postergirl' should look like. She is from Şirnex (Northern Kurdistan).

 

[Kurdquistador]

Yeah, I selected Armenian, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Romania, Albania and Sicily. I think that if you walked there people would not ask you where you are from, because they would think you are from their place.

However I did excluded Iran. In Western Iran people wouldn't ask you either where you are from, But more to the east, Iranians in the east who think you are not really local and more from the western Iran or Turkey or something.
You could never be a 'posterboy' for an Iranid phenotype so to speak.
To be honest to you, although you look Kurdish, I would not consider you to be a 'posterboy' for a Kurdish nation either. By 'posterboy' I mean average Kurd.

I excluded Semitic/Arabic countries, because I don't think you look Semitic. You look more Turkish first than Lebanese or Jordanian. I think that people in the Levant would associate you with Turkey.


I don't know exactly how a Kurdish 'posterboy' might look like, but I have an example how a Kurdish 'postergirl' should look like. She is from Şirnex (Northern Kurdistan).

i am not atypical for our ethnicity though bro

also the iranid that kurds are is often different from those in iran

and not all iranians are iranid lol

but i agree that i look off for most of iran

 

[Guti]

i am not atypical for our ethnicity though bro

also the iranid that kurds are is often different from those in iran

and not all iranians are iranid lol

but i agree that i look off for most of iran

I do agree with you. Kurdish 'Iranid' is a little bit different. It is more Northern West Asian shifted with a Caucasus 'flavour'. Iranian/Persian 'Iranid' is somehow more South(Central) Asian shifted.

You made it to me clear that you do understand these small nuances.

And again, I do agree with you here too. That your appearance shows indeed a great portion of 'North Western Iranid' influences. As it should be, because you have clearly Kurdic roots.