how ancients (CHG , Iran N , Anatolia N etc) likely looked like

[Kurdquistador]

share your ideas . obviously we will not be totally accurate with our guesses but I think we can get somewhat close

I think this is how neolithic Iranians (from western Iran) looked like :

Iran N peaks in baloch and brahui people but modern baloch/brahui people have substantial south asian admix (Iran N itself is only 6-7% south asian) and score less caucasus than Iran N on gedmatch . therefore the best approximation to Iran N are probably lighter pigmented baloch/brahui people who dont show south asian in their face and are rather "western shifted" lookwise compared to the average baloch/brahui .

reconstruction of a neolithic woman from tehran - iran

this modern baloch girl has similarities to the reconstruction as you can see . and she fits the description I gave above

more baloch people who fit the bill :

brahui man

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CHG

and this is my guess how Caucasus Hunter Gatherers (Georgia) looked like

Georgian guy

Georgian Girl

Georgian man

 

[Guti]

Iran_ChL folks from Kurdistan that migrated into the Levant/Israel 6500 years ago had 'blue eyes and fair skin'

Mysterious 6,500-year-old culture in Israel was brought by migrants, researchers say

Genetic Analysis Shows Ancient Galilean Farmers Warmly Embraced Blue-eyed, Fair-skinned Immigrants From Iran and Turkey in the Late Copper Age

www.haaretz.com

Anomalous blue-eyed people came to Israel 6,500 years ago from Iran, DNA shows

Study of bones from massive Galilee necropolis helps fill 3,000-year gap in knowledge of ancient Levant settlers

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Guti]

Also keep in mind that ancient Iran_ChL from the Armenian Plateau had 'red hair and blue eyes'.

'Three individuals who lived in the Chalcolithic era (c. 5700–6250 years BP), found in the Areni-1 ("Bird's Eye") cave in the South Caucasus mountains (present-day Vayots Dzor Province, Armenia), were also identified as belonging to haplogroup L1a. One individual's genome indicated that he had red hair and blue eyes.'

Haplogroup L-M20 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Kurdquistador]

why are we predominantly black and brown haired and brown and hazel eyed today then ?

 

[Guti]

Kurds are not fully Iran_ChL.. Just for about 70%.

Kurds are Iran_ChL + Iran_Neo.

It is Iran_Neo that makes Kurds 'darker' + climate.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Kurds are not fully Iran_ChL.. Just for about 70%.

Kurds are Iran_ChL + Iran_Neo.

It is Iran_Neo that makes Kurds 'darker'.

that doesnt make sense . Iran CHL already has Iran Neo in it

 

[Guti]

that doesnt make sense . Iran CHL already has Iran Neo in it

Iran_Chl is mostly CHG, 63,1%. But CHG is mostly Iran_N, 71,6%.

Kurds are Iran_ChL + additional Iran_Neo. That's why Kurds are a little bit shifted toward 'Gedrosia'.

 

[Guti]

Btw, I am not sure and it is just my way of thinking and I don't have a clear answer.

All I know that the Medes were as light/dark as Kurds. Sumerians had also dark hair. But it has been speculated that the Gutians/Guti from Gudea/Gutium had light features.

So, when I think about light Iran_ChL folks who migrated into the ancient Levant or who lived around the Armenians Plateau, I have to think about the Gutians.


Ancient Sumerian/Gutian sculptures with 'blue' eyes.

 

[Kurdquistador]

^ they look similar to me lmaoooo xD

 

[Kurdquistador]

Kotias and/or Satsurblia probably looked similar to this Persian guy

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

How Kotias can look with someone with Med look ?Kotias was CHG.You guys need to find an Armenoid to post and not long faced med types DD

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

Iran_Chl is mostly CHG, 63,1%. But CHG is mostly Iran_N, 71,6%.

Kurds are Iran_ChL + additional Iran_Neo. That's why Kurds are a little bit shifted toward 'Gedrosia'.

Iran Chalcolithic is not CHG lol.It is mixed as fuck and contains high % of Anatolian N,Iran N,CHG and Levant N.

 

[Kurdquistador]

How Kotias can look with someone with Med look ?Kotias was CHG.You guys need to find an Armenoid to post and not long faced med types DD

dont be so simple minded bro !

not all CHG were armenoids . many probably were not

also CHG has overlap with Med to begin with

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

This is what Iran Chalcolithic is about:

Target: IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C:I4351 Distance: 3.9241% / 0.03924055
38.0	TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
26.2	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
19.4	GEO_CHG
16.4	Levant_PPNB

Target: IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C:I4349 Distance: 2.9274% / 0.02927408
32.4	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
31.2	TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
21.8	GEO_CHG
12.6	Levant_PPNB
2.0	TUR_Barcin_N

Target: IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C:I4241 Distance: 3.5445% / 0.03544528
41.2	TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
29.0	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
15.2	Levant_PPNB
14.6	GEO_CHG

Target: IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C:I2323 Distance: 4.0081% / 0.04008053
43.0	TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
36.0	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
10.8	Levant_PPNB
10.2	GEO_CHG

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

dont be so simple minded bro !

not all CHG were armenoids . many probably were not

also CHG has overlap with Med to begin with

Kotias is a J lineage how can be have a connection with Med phenotypes or genetics?It is paleolithic site.The anatolian N genomes did have not reach caucasus during that period.Modern Georgians have decent anatolian N admixture in their autosomal.They are not 100% CHG.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Kotias is a J lineage how can be have a connection with Med phenotypes or genetics?It is paleolithic site.The anatolian N genomes did have not reach caucasus during that period.Modern Georgians have decent anatolian N admixture in their autosomal.They are not 100% CHG.

because CHG has Dzudzuana in it

also CHG itself produces many Pontid types

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

We don't have enough informations about what exactly dzudzuana is.It is shifting to WHG that dosn't really means that they were Meditteranid or Anatolian N.Most lineages associated with Anatolian N farmers have to do with G2a,T,L etc.Pinarbasi HG was C1a2.This lineage is not associated with Farmers who brought argiculture.We need full study from Dzudzuana and more epipaleolithic anatolia to understand the farmers origins.Btw CHG is not full dzudzuana it contains high ANE admixture.

 

[Kurdquistador]

still CHG and Iran N are medoid

 

[Chevalier de Balibari]

still CHG and Iran N are medoid

lol no.Both admixtures have pheotypes associated with long nosed and hooked-convex folks.Their only diffrence is probably that Iran N folks are way more swarthy but also dolichocephalic while CHG are mostly Brachycephalics with flat occiput.Anatolian Neolithic farmers were mostly Meditteranids but even them later have come in mixes with other people.In EU they come in contact with WHG folks hence Atlanto-Med,Berid etc.Pontid and Gracile med are med types without robustness.In West Asia meditteranids have come in contact with CHG/Iran N and Levant N thats why some of them might have a more foreign look compared to EURO meds.Similar case with me.I look more east med/west asian med rather iberian/italian/French etc.

 

[Kurdquistador]

where do you have that from ? "associated with long hooked noses and hooked convex folks" ? seems like you just assume so