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how ancients (CHG , Iran N , Anatolia N etc) likely looked like

Chevalier de Balibari

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where do you have that from ? "associated with long hooked noses and hooked convex folks" ? seems like you just assume so


West Asians have long and convex noses.Both Armenoids and Iranids are highly very long nosed with often hooked noses.This is a typical west asian trait.And its not associated with meditteranean race.
 

Kurdquistador

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West Asians have long and convex noses.Both Armenoids and Iranids are highly very long nosed with often hooked noses.This is a typical west asian trait.And its not associated with meditteranean race.

first of all only because there are armenoid and iranid west asians it doesnt mean that Iran N and CHG looked like that

and 2.

of course it is associated with the mediterranean race . especially Iranid is a mediterranoid subrace
 

Kurdquistador

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GEO_CHG itself was already for a huge part IRAN_Ganj_Daeh_N

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but if that is the case and if CHG is Iran N + some EHG then why doesnt the modelling of Iran N + EHG give a good fit ?
 

Kurdquistador

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well they are for sure related to each other . they also cluster close together in those "amateur" plots as you call it
 

Kurdquistador

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when it comes to Georgians for example they are a mix of CHG + Anatolia Neolithic + a little Levant Neolithic and Iran Neolithic . but they are mostly CHG + Anatolia N
 

Kurdquistador

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what is that "northwest iranic dna" supposed to be ?

Georgians are mostly a mix of CHG and Anatolia Neolithic as I said
 

Kurdquistador

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Since Kurds have mostly Iran_ChL, Kurds have also a lot CHG in them.

"northwest iranic dna" is the DNA of the ancient Kurds/Medes and Persians. With other words: Iran_ChL !!

but then all people of northern west asia are northwestern iranic to a degree lol
 

Merd

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Iran N peaks in baloch and brahui people but modern baloch/brahui people have substantial south asian admix (Iran N itself is only 6-7% south asian)
Iran_Neolithic does not have 6-7% South Asian admixture. You can't use a calculator with components based on modern proxy populations to decide admixture within an ancient population that predates the new proxies by thousands of years. That is outside of logic.

What you are seing as "6-7% South Asian" is additional Iran_Neolithic DNA nowadays very common /typical in modern South Asians which is not already catched up by other components.

In short the 6-7% South Asian is Iran_Neolithic DNA in the proxy population used for the "South Asian" component.
 

Kurdquistador

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Iran_Neolithic does not have 6-7% South Asian admixture. You can't use a calculator with components based on modern proxy populations to decide admixture within an ancient population that predates the new proxies by thousands of years. That is outside of logic.

What you are seing as "6-7% South Asian" is additional Iran_Neolithic DNA nowadays very common /typical in modern South Asians which is not already catched up by other components.

In short the 6-7% South Asian is Iran_Neolithic DNA in the proxy population used for the "South Asian" component.

I am talking about eurogenes k12b and dodecad k12b or harappa . where the south asian component doesnt include west asian

6-7% is correct trust me
 

Kurdquistador

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Iran Neolithic and CHG are NOT the same

they are related but they are not the same @Guti

CHG is not Iran N + some EHG

on the G25 CHG and Iran N are at a distance of 17 to each other which is big

however it is wrong to base the Iran N on baloch people because balochs score 10-15% or so AASI . that is the reason why balochs are often dark ....it is not the Iran N making them dark but the AASI . 10-15% AASI is more than enough to have such an effect
 
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Kurdquistador

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Btw, Iran_Neo predate CHG. It means that Iran_Neo could exist without CHG.

On the other side, Iran_ChL could never exist without CHG. So, CHG is much older than Iran_ChL.

With other words: Iran_Neo, CHG and Iran_ChL are all very closely correlated to each and defiantly belong to the same human species.

Iran N does not predate CHG as far as I know . not sure though

CHG is between 7000 and 13000 years old
 

Kurdquistador

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I wasnt talking about Anatolia N dude . you always put words in my mouth . what the fuck is wrong with you ? you claim bullshit about me that I didnt claim/say and now I didnt even mention Anatolia N and you talk as if I did
 

Kurdquistador

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but I looked it up and CHG is 13000 years old while Iran N is not as old as it

btw. what do you mean by "different races" . they are caucasoid races
 
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