G25 neolithic model

[Ben Dover]

CHG at one point was widespread in western iran which is why iran-N is mostly derived from CHG or CHG like population. The only difference is that iran_N has some more exotic admixture that CHG didn't have.

 

[Kurdquistador]

CHG at one point was widespread in western iran which is why iran-N is mostly derived from CHG or CHG like population. The only difference is that iran_N has some more exotic admixture that CHG didn't have.

like i said before i dont think iran n has such admixture even if the qpadm says 11% onge . i rather think that relative to CHG Iran N has some shift towards the jungle and sandnigger people lel

where does CHG originate / come from before ? dzudzuana right ?

 

[idklolimo]

CHG at one point was widespread in western iran which is why iran-N is mostly derived from CHG or CHG like population. The only difference is that iran_N has some more exotic admixture that CHG didn't have.

There's a bit of a mix of Eastern Eurasia in CHG and a bit of South Asian in Iranian neo. that's why they take great distances from each other in g25

 

[Kurdquistador]

by the way does nobody raise an eyebrow that Iran N scores very different from us on gedmatch ?

 

[idklolimo]

like i said before i dont think iran n has such admixture even if the qpadm says 11% onge . i rather think that relative to CHG Iran N has some shift towards the jungle and sandnigger people lel

where does CHG originate / come from before ? dzudzuana right ?

there is of course "onge" in pure Iran neo. but no one is pure iran neo. this may be why iran neo scores high on afro balochis

 

[Ben Dover]

like i said before i dont think iran n has such admixture even if the qpadm says 11% onge . i rather think that relative to CHG Iran N has some shift towards the jungle and sandnigger people lel

That would make iran_N basically CHG with very minor to no differences. It's more logcial to conclude that Iran-N did have some of those sandnigger & Jungle people admix.

 

[Ben Dover]

there is of course "onge" in pure Iran neo. but no one is pure iran neo. this may be why iran neo scores high on afro balochis

That's a separate issue

 

[Ben Dover]

by the way does nobody raise an eyebrow that Iran N scores very different from us on gedmatch ?

Iran_N on gedmatch on k12b if that's what you have in mind is mostly WCA and nothing else but that doesn't say much

 

[Ben Dover]

Talysh are an interesting bunch. @Raptor you are knowledgeable about Talysh. Do they look foreign to your eyes? Also, G25 kurdish average has a lot of individuals with high CHG it seems.

Target: Talysh_Azerbaijan Distance: 2.9977% / 0.02997716
32.6	Mediterranean
25.8	Iran_Neolithic
22.8	Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
8.8	East_European_HG
8.8	Natufian
1.2	East_Eurasian

Target: Kurdish Distance: 3.3257% / 0.03325675
33.6	Mediterranean
28.4	Iran_Neolithic
18.8	Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
10.2	Natufian
9.0	East_European_HG

 

[Kurdquistador]

i have only seen some talysh pics online thats all . they look similar to us imo . but i cant speak in total terms

 

[Ben Dover]

What could you say about yazidis? Are you able to tell them apart from Anatolia Kurds? Ezid average is near identical to kurdish average.

Target: Ezid Distance: 2.9881% / 0.02988150
33.0	Mediterranean
27.4	Iran_Neolithic
16.8	Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
11.2	East_European_HG
11.2	Natufian
0.4	AASI

 

[Ben Dover]

Georgian Yazidis. Guti's tribe.

 

[kakashi]

Here's mine. pretty typical aasi/iran neolithic split with slight steppe.

Target: kakashi_scaled
Distance: 4.3720% / 0.04372021
46.8 AASI
41.0 Iran_Neolithic
8.8 East_European_HG
2.4 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
1.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N

Target: kakashi_scaled
Distance: 5.9696% / 0.05969633
48.2 AASI
47.2 Iranian_LateNeolithic_Farmer
4.6 WHG

 

[Ben Dover]

After this there should be no more doubts regarding the exoticness of natufians. to illustrate what I am saying, i will use Saudi model. As it's well known saudis, even non-ssa admixed ones are exotic. Saudis are almost 70% natufian in admixture and the rest of their admix comes from neolithic/pre-neolithic populations that were much less exotic than natufian was. Since saudis are basically a mix of natufian+less exotic populations and they are still this exotic then it screams the woginess of natufians themselves. The climate also has an affect on Saudi looks however it can't be denied that natufian was at least as exotic as modern day gulf/peninsular arabs even though the core of natufian civilization was located in the middle of levant.

Target: Saudi Distance: 6.4986% / 0.06498554
67.8	Natufian
15.2	Iran_Neolithic
14.4	Mediterranean
2.6	Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer

 

[Ben Dover]

It's also important to mention that natufians didn't carry alleles that were responsible for light skin and features which was present in Iran_N, CHG and neolithic anatolians

 

[idklolimo]

lebanese and syrians get tons of natufian points but not as exotic as me lmao

 

[idklolimo]

saudi arabs,yemenis,etc have at most +6 ssa like exotic components from me by the way

 

[Ben Dover]

lebanese and syrians get tons of natufian points but not as exotic as me lmao

you aren't 'exotic' for syrian or lebanese standards. however i would agree that your looks don't coincide with your ancestral composition

 

[Ben Dover]

saudi arabs have at most +6 ssa like exotic components from me by the way

these G25 Saudi references are taken from non-ssa admixed arabs

 

[idklolimo]

Target: Levant_Natufian_Hunter-Gatherer_Levant_Natufian
Distance: 38.6931% / 0.38693137
47.6    Caucasoid:LUX_Loschbour
29.4    Negroid:Africa_Mesolithic_MWI_Hora_9000BP:I2966
23.0    Mongoloid:Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic_RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N:NEO238

Target: Lolll
Distance: 38.3767% / 0.38376708
50.0    Caucasoid:LUX_Loschbour
28.4    Mongoloid:Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic_RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N:NEO238
21.2    Negroid:Africa_Mesolithic_MWI_Hora_9000BP:I2966
0.4    Negroid:Africa_Mesolithic_CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP:I10872