G25 Ancient Calculator

[Ben Dover]

Xd

 

[Kurdquistador]

by the way those who bitch about some of the fits / distances of my runs

many europeans get a distance of 6 - 7 and even 8-9 in ancient runs . with all relevant populations used . why is nobody saying anything about that ?

Target: Irish
Distance: 6.9615% / 0.06961536
45.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
37.2 East_European_HG
9.0 WHG
8.0 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Latvian
Distance: 8.5293% / 0.08529345
50.8 East_European_HG
34.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
11.0 WHG
3.4 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer

 

[Kurdquistador]

even when you use SHG too their distance / fit is large

Target: Latvian
Distance: 7.7787% / 0.07778681
45.2 SHG
31.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
15.6 East_European_HG
8.0 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Irish
Distance: 6.6033% / 0.06603302
42.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
33.8 SHG
12.2 East_European_HG
11.2 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer

 

[Kurdquistador]

Yamnaya kullanmamışsın lololololo

yamnaya zaten = EHG ve CHG

ama yamnaya da kullansan yine large distance cikar

 

[Kurdquistador]

Target: Irish
Distance: 4.8591% / 0.04859057
47.6 Yamnaya
36.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
11.6 WHG
4.0 SHG

Target: Latvian
Distance: 7.3009% / 0.07300935
41.2 SHG
31.6 Yamnaya
27.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N

 

[Kurdquistador]

so the cockroach lurkers here some of them who got banned have to stop bitching about my models for northern west asians being 3-4 . heck they even bitch about a fit of 3 which is very good for such ancient populations used . when you use very old pops you can not expect everybody to get a great fit at 2.0 . overfitting models are useless anyway

go fuck yourselves .

 

[Luso]

probably those people have a bit of a European mix

typically, for example, berbers with decent margins of steppe admixture with a small trace of 1-4% whg is a good signal for european admix. I'm using berber as an example because.. especially the ones coastal to the med. have a lot of affects by european dna pools; bell beakers, vandals, romans, etc.

 

[Kurdquistador]

as i showed in the previous page we Kurds have a few percent WHG which is masked because of EHG / CHG

we have no "european mix" in recent times

as usual it is clear that northern west asians and europeans share a lot of ancestry

how dare i ...

 

[Luso]

by the way those who bitch about some of the fits / distances of my runs

many europeans get a distance of 6 - 7 and even 8-9 in ancient runs . with all relevant populations used . why is nobody saying anything about that ?

Target: Irish
Distance: 6.9615% / 0.06961536
45.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
37.2 East_European_HG
9.0 WHG
8.0 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Latvian
Distance: 8.5293% / 0.08529345
50.8 East_European_HG
34.8 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
11.0 WHG
3.4 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer

get a bit of a better fit with davidski's.. but yes using ancient components will always give further distances.

Target: Irish Distance: 4.9124% / 0.04912391
50.0	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.0	TUR_Barcin_N
14.0	WHG

Target: Latvian Distance: 8.3215% / 0.08321519
56.8	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.8	WHG
21.4	TUR_Barcin_N

latvian fit still similar to your model...

Portuguese:

Target: Portuguese Distance: 3.0015% / 0.03001471
53.6	TUR_Barcin_N
30.0	Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.8	WHG
5.6	MAR_Taforalt

 

[Kurdquistador]

davidskis default model is absolute horseshit btw

not sure if this is that model you used though . i am talking about the model he gives you when he sends you your coordinates

 

[Luso]

we do have some whg ....ANF has some in it and CHG too

how much whg? Because I know for someone like me or Ivorix it'll show up as its own component with all the ancient components used. But if you want to show a kurd with whg you'll have to do some manipulation with the components that have small amounts within them, no? For example, it's true what you're saying that some ancient components within kurds, and other northern asians have whg within chg.. etc. etc. but it wouldn't be enough to show as an isolated component

 

[Kurdquistador]

how much whg? Because I know for someone like me or Ivorix it'll show up as its own component with all the ancient components used. But if you want to show a kurd with whg you'll have to do some manipulation with the components that have small amounts within them, no? And then obviously that still applies to us as well... so it's a certain accumulation.

yes . like i said on the previous page . our whg is hidden within EHG , Barcin , and even CHG

we are around 6% WHG

 

[Kurdquistador]

and again ....member onyx modelled Kurds per qpAdm which is an academic tool and more realistic than G25 and he modelled Kurd like this :


Kurd-43: 17% Yamnaya_Samara + 33.5% Anatolia_N + 49% Iran_N + 5% CHG.

Kurd-45: 22.2% Yamnaya_Samara + 33.3% Anatolia_N + 44.5% Iran_N.

Kurd-49: 22.5% Yamnaya_Samara + 36% Anatolia_N + 41.4% Iran_N.

 

[Luso]

yes . like i said on the previous page . our whg is hidden within EHG , Barcin , and even CHG

we are around 6% WHG

how much would an iberian be then? 10-18% plus the whg hidden within our EHG, barcin, and chg as well... so probably upwards of 20-25%? Or perhaps even more seeing how we get a lot of barcin and steppe.

 

[Kurdquistador]

how much would an iberian be then? 10-18% plus the whg hidden within our EHG, barcin, and chg as well... so probably upwards of 16-24%?

i dont know if that works for iberians but i would suggest to find this out you should model yourself or other iberians with this :

Spoiler

WHG:Rochedane,0.118376,0.111708,0.178001,0.184111,0.150182,0.044623,0.010575,0.034383,0.090809,0.028064,-0.014615,-0.016186,0.013974,-0.002752,0.058767,0.069344,0.002738,0.014189,-0.015335,0.054151,0.101446,0.013231,-0.050778,-0.178579,0.019519
WHG:BEL_Loschbour:I0001,0.133173,0.106631,0.2 0176,0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0 .096535,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
WHG:ITA_Villabruna:Villabruna,0.121791,0.1147 55,0.18592,0.184111,0.156337,0.060798,0.020211,0.0 35998,0.092445,0.018041,-0.016239,-0.016186,0.016947,-0.010046,0.054017,0.067356,0.000782,0.005448,-0.008422,0.053526,0.100073,0.010758,-0.048313,-0.163517,0.01928
WHG:Wales_Meso,0.1160995,0.1157705,0.187806,0.195416,0.1629535,0.0642845,0.0243235,0.030691,0.0915245,0.010023,-0.020055,-0.0059945,0.0049805,-0.0015825,0.061617,0.0646375,-0.001043,0.010135,-0.0043995,0.0596535,0.1056885,0.0183625,-0.047327,-0.175386,0.017783
WHG:England_Mesolithic,0.126344,0.110693,0.202891,0.197031,0.157876,0.055778,0.010575,0.03346,0.086514,0.016583,-0.017863,-0.01139,0.014866,-0.001651,0.061481,0.065499,0.002477,0.009882,-0.005531,0.06353,0.116295,0.019661,-0.055954,-0.179664,0.019399
WHG:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso,0.1225497,0.1120467,0.2008793,0.2048907,0.1728527,0.0618207,0.0160593,0.0412293,0.108602,0.0271533,-0.0193243,-0.0143373,0.0162043,-0.0086703,0.0708007,0.069035,0.0002173,0.0120353,-0.0099303,0.0637807,0.118,0.0113347,-0.0608843,-0.1971763,0.021994
Mediterranean:Anatolia_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic:cth739,0.095611,0.168578,-0.019987,-0.111759,0.03139,-0.053547,-0.002585,-0.012692,0.028224,0.073441,0.01023,-0.003447,-0.028692,0.010735,-0.041666,-0.019093,0.019297,-0.00228,0.040098,-0.037393,-0.009733,0.006059,-0.000123,0.015906,-0.018082
East_Eurasian:Oroqen,0.030732,-0.4370163,0.070899,-0.0414517,-0.04647,-0.0360697,0.0191143,0.0235373,0.007363,0.0142147,-0.0271187,-0.002148,-0.0017343,0.0002297,-0.0081887,-0.0124637,-0.0052153,0.005743,0.0106427,0.0093793,0.0111887,-0.014055,-0.0052997,0.0014057,0.0055483
East_Eurasian:Nivkh,0.0282028,-0.4409653,0.0715274,-0.0367143,-0.0564892,-0.0370303,0.0024806,0.0055381,0.0104534,0.0185678,-0.0328746,-8.32e-05,0.0010901,0.0016209,-0.0144769,-0.0086624,0.0020428,0.0107827,0.0244553,0.0153407,0.019549,-0.04604,-0.0183092,0.0089034,-0.0151814
Natufian:Levant_Natufian,0.01935,0.135065,-0.039221,-0.135984,0.026774,-0.076137,-0.019036,-0.024691,0.100626,-0.008018,0.02858,-0.019633,0.067343,0.001651,0.022801,0.02612,-0.0103,0.006714,-0.018101,0.041395,-0.004118,-0.003215,-0.014297,-0.011206,0.011975
AASI:S_AASI_Sim Av,-0.007017607,-0.247268894,-0.229976338,0.16563825,-0.035368871,0.064331863,-0.015188881,0.027727614,0.147380455,0.101064071,-0.004664075,-0.004333522,0.003228897,0.026031903,-0.047720864,-0.045200255,0.010093749,0.000906224,0.000245098,0.039040136,0.009429353,0.024010206,-0.003068505,0.015983546,-0.010868946
African_Pygmy:Bakola,-0.6413935,0.060424,0.026587,0.0308465,0.001231,0.0 041835,0.157692,-0.1221875,-0.015339,0.032256,0.0061705,-0.0892455,-0.02884,-0.0017205,0.0046825,-0.002917,0.0011085,0.0026605,0.0005025,0.0015635,-0.0008735,-0.003957,-0.001479,0.0012655,-0.0014365
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF010,-0.193499,0.083273,-0.03017,-0.088502,0.034776,-0.055499,-0.076378,0.019384,0.163619,0.008565,0.02111,-0.030573,0.07879,-0.046104,0.077496,-0.046141,-0.00665,-0.069805,-0.144176,0.036518,-0.042924,-0.129217,0.07629,-0.015303,0.018322
Khoisan:Ju_hoan_North,-0.616466,0.0601194,0.0211942,0.028424,0.0025852,-0.0038486,0.2541404,-0.199192,0.0240112,0.007909,0.0032478,-0.0723558,-0.0255104,0.00867,0.0283928,-0.0321662,0.0461558,0.4102178,-0.1364076,0.003877,-0.0556018,-0.0051686,0.0126206,-0.0044826,0.0028978
Niger-Congo:COG_Kindoki_230BP,-0.6231815,0.058393,0.019422,0.018088,0.0007695,0.0 133865,-0.007168,0.0170765,-0.035587,0.017495,0.0048715,-0.002248,-0.0031215,-0.0052985,-0.0021715,0.0088835,-0.0058675,-0.004941,-0.0042735,0.0078785,0.0061765,-0.0012985,0.002465,-0.0030125,0.0029935
Nilo_Saharan:KEN_Kakapel_900BP:KPL003,-0.513342,0.05687,-0.010936,-0.00969,-0.007386,-0.013666,-0.00658,0.014769,0.075674,-0.113898,-0.032478,0.028924,-0.049207,-0.010046,0.015065,-0.020419,0.018645,-0.000507,0.022877,-0.027138,-0.002496,0.007172,-0.027238,-0.000241,0.004071
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254

 

[Luso]

i dont know if that works for iberians but i would suggest to find this out you should model yourself or other iberians with this :

Spoiler

WHG:Rochedane,0.118376,0.111708,0.178001,0.184111,0.150182,0.044623,0.010575,0.034383,0.090809,0.028064,-0.014615,-0.016186,0.013974,-0.002752,0.058767,0.069344,0.002738,0.014189,-0.015335,0.054151,0.101446,0.013231,-0.050778,-0.178579,0.019519
WHG:BEL_Loschbour:I0001,0.133173,0.106631,0.2 0176,0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0 .096535,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
WHG:ITA_Villabruna:Villabruna,0.121791,0.1147 55,0.18592,0.184111,0.156337,0.060798,0.020211,0.0 35998,0.092445,0.018041,-0.016239,-0.016186,0.016947,-0.010046,0.054017,0.067356,0.000782,0.005448,-0.008422,0.053526,0.100073,0.010758,-0.048313,-0.163517,0.01928
WHG:Wales_Meso,0.1160995,0.1157705,0.187806,0.195416,0.1629535,0.0642845,0.0243235,0.030691,0.0915245,0.010023,-0.020055,-0.0059945,0.0049805,-0.0015825,0.061617,0.0646375,-0.001043,0.010135,-0.0043995,0.0596535,0.1056885,0.0183625,-0.047327,-0.175386,0.017783
WHG:England_Mesolithic,0.126344,0.110693,0.202891,0.197031,0.157876,0.055778,0.010575,0.03346,0.086514,0.016583,-0.017863,-0.01139,0.014866,-0.001651,0.061481,0.065499,0.002477,0.009882,-0.005531,0.06353,0.116295,0.019661,-0.055954,-0.179664,0.019399
WHG:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso,0.1225497,0.1120467,0.2008793,0.2048907,0.1728527,0.0618207,0.0160593,0.0412293,0.108602,0.0271533,-0.0193243,-0.0143373,0.0162043,-0.0086703,0.0708007,0.069035,0.0002173,0.0120353,-0.0099303,0.0637807,0.118,0.0113347,-0.0608843,-0.1971763,0.021994
Mediterranean:Anatolia_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic:cth739,0.095611,0.168578,-0.019987,-0.111759,0.03139,-0.053547,-0.002585,-0.012692,0.028224,0.073441,0.01023,-0.003447,-0.028692,0.010735,-0.041666,-0.019093,0.019297,-0.00228,0.040098,-0.037393,-0.009733,0.006059,-0.000123,0.015906,-0.018082
East_Eurasian:Oroqen,0.030732,-0.4370163,0.070899,-0.0414517,-0.04647,-0.0360697,0.0191143,0.0235373,0.007363,0.0142147,-0.0271187,-0.002148,-0.0017343,0.0002297,-0.0081887,-0.0124637,-0.0052153,0.005743,0.0106427,0.0093793,0.0111887,-0.014055,-0.0052997,0.0014057,0.0055483
East_Eurasian:Nivkh,0.0282028,-0.4409653,0.0715274,-0.0367143,-0.0564892,-0.0370303,0.0024806,0.0055381,0.0104534,0.0185678,-0.0328746,-8.32e-05,0.0010901,0.0016209,-0.0144769,-0.0086624,0.0020428,0.0107827,0.0244553,0.0153407,0.019549,-0.04604,-0.0183092,0.0089034,-0.0151814
Natufian:Levant_Natufian,0.01935,0.135065,-0.039221,-0.135984,0.026774,-0.076137,-0.019036,-0.024691,0.100626,-0.008018,0.02858,-0.019633,0.067343,0.001651,0.022801,0.02612,-0.0103,0.006714,-0.018101,0.041395,-0.004118,-0.003215,-0.014297,-0.011206,0.011975
AASI:S_AASI_Sim Av,-0.007017607,-0.247268894,-0.229976338,0.16563825,-0.035368871,0.064331863,-0.015188881,0.027727614,0.147380455,0.101064071,-0.004664075,-0.004333522,0.003228897,0.026031903,-0.047720864,-0.045200255,0.010093749,0.000906224,0.000245098,0.039040136,0.009429353,0.024010206,-0.003068505,0.015983546,-0.010868946
African_Pygmy:Bakola,-0.6413935,0.060424,0.026587,0.0308465,0.001231,0.0 041835,0.157692,-0.1221875,-0.015339,0.032256,0.0061705,-0.0892455,-0.02884,-0.0017205,0.0046825,-0.002917,0.0011085,0.0026605,0.0005025,0.0015635,-0.0008735,-0.003957,-0.001479,0.0012655,-0.0014365
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF010,-0.193499,0.083273,-0.03017,-0.088502,0.034776,-0.055499,-0.076378,0.019384,0.163619,0.008565,0.02111,-0.030573,0.07879,-0.046104,0.077496,-0.046141,-0.00665,-0.069805,-0.144176,0.036518,-0.042924,-0.129217,0.07629,-0.015303,0.018322
Khoisan:Ju_hoan_North,-0.616466,0.0601194,0.0211942,0.028424,0.0025852,-0.0038486,0.2541404,-0.199192,0.0240112,0.007909,0.0032478,-0.0723558,-0.0255104,0.00867,0.0283928,-0.0321662,0.0461558,0.4102178,-0.1364076,0.003877,-0.0556018,-0.0051686,0.0126206,-0.0044826,0.0028978
Niger-Congo:COG_Kindoki_230BP,-0.6231815,0.058393,0.019422,0.018088,0.0007695,0.0 133865,-0.007168,0.0170765,-0.035587,0.017495,0.0048715,-0.002248,-0.0031215,-0.0052985,-0.0021715,0.0088835,-0.0058675,-0.004941,-0.0042735,0.0078785,0.0061765,-0.0012985,0.002465,-0.0030125,0.0029935
Nilo_Saharan:KEN_Kakapel_900BP:KPL003,-0.513342,0.05687,-0.010936,-0.00969,-0.007386,-0.013666,-0.00658,0.014769,0.075674,-0.113898,-0.032478,0.028924,-0.049207,-0.010046,0.015065,-0.020419,0.018645,-0.000507,0.022877,-0.027138,-0.002496,0.007172,-0.027238,-0.000241,0.004071
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254

26.6% in my case. Thanks. A basque would probably get upwards of 32-36%.

Target: Luso_scaled Distance: 7.0595% / 0.07059495
57.0	Mediterranean
26.6	WHG
10.4	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.6	Iberomaurusian
0.4	East_Eurasian

my gf who is half georgian half irish gets this if you're curious:

Target: LusoGF_Simulated Distance: 9.5637% / 0.09563694
47.0	Mediterranean
34.2	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
18.8	WHG

 

[idklolimo]

famous geneticist David Reich said that people from the Near East have almost no WHG. Conversely, he found that ANE found in Europeans reached about 29% in the Caucasus and was found in varying amounts in other Near Easterners.

 

[Kurdquistador]

famous geneticist David Reich said that people from the Near East have almost no WHG. Conversely, he found that ANE found in Europeans reached about 29% in the Caucasus and was found in varying amounts in other Near Easterners.

do you have comprehension issues ?

i said our couple of percent WHG is hidden in other components

 

[Ben Dover]

5% WHG. Nice.

Target: MS Distance: 7.4533% / 0.07453278
46.2	Mediterranean
42.0	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
6.8	Natufian
5.0	WHG

 

[Ben Dover]

MiDdLe EaStErNeRs HaVe No WhG N ShIeT right?