G25 Ancient Calculator

[Eurafricanid]

I read something that there is no whg admix in any part of the middle east, it was the lazaridis articles if I remember correctly. I think it seems to contradict these tables

Maybe what they were talking about us direct WHG admixture, because the admixture present in the middle east is the one already in ANF.

 

[Kurdquistador]

^ hi

how is it not true ?

i think it is not 50 50 but 55 natufian 40 barcin n and 5 Iran N iirc . something like that

it is true that Levant N IS a mix of Barcin N like stuff + Natufian

 

[Kurdquistador]

Target: Levant_PPNB Distance: 3.2361% / 0.03236096
55.0	Levant_Natufian_EpiP
43.6	TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
1.4	Iran_N

 

[Kurdquistador]

yes of course but it still shows the shift CHG has compared to Iran N

the best fit will be when you do CHG = Iran N + Shetlandic btw

 

[Kurdquistador]

you wont get a good distance . but you can see some shifting

distance of CHG to Iran N is around 18.5 . when you use Shetlandic + Iran N the distance is 15.4

when i used individuals of Iran N and Shetlandics i brought it down to 14.4 or so

 

[Eurafricanid]

^ hi

how is it not true ?

i think it is not 50 50 but 55 natufian 40 barcin n and 5 Iran N iirc . something like that

it is true that Levant N IS a mix of Barcin N like stuff + Natufian

Not true bro.

50_Natufian_50_Barcin,0.0724267,0.1624724,-0.0142498,-0.1193645,0.0431582,-0.0637,-0.0115351,-0.013689,0.0746806,0.0434158,0.0185954,-0.0053381,0.0266722,-0.0001476,-0.013711,-0.001561,0.0057851,0.0000496,-0.0038982,0.0113358,-0.0048442,0.0025833,-0.0035274,-0.0035662,-0.0005659

Target: 50_Natufian_50_Barcin Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000014
50.0	Levant_Natufian
50.0	TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N

I agree. Just compare PPNB to that 50/50 sim I made. Also CHG can't be modeled as 80% Iran_N + 20% EHG. The fit is ridiculous.

Target: GEO_CHG Distance: 16.8998% / 0.16899819
80.4	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
19.6	RUS_Samara_HG

Levant_N is 70% Natufian and 30% Barcin. CHG is 70% Iran_N and 30% EHG, and you comparing distances with G25 is not going to change that, G25 is not the best model to work with very ancient groups like that, together.

 

[idklolimo]

@geneticfreak

How can Levant PPNB,Natufian,CHG and Iran Neo be modeled? do you have any information?

 

[Eurafricanid]

Support you statements with evidence otherwise they are as hollow as a sloths skull. Display convincing evidence of CHG being 70% Iran_N and 30% EHG. Going by distance alone a ghost population is needed.

I've already done it, just go to literally the previous page (6), to get it!

 

[Ben Dover]

@geneticfreak

How can Levant PPNB,Natufian,CHG and Iran Neo be modeled? do you have any information?

Personally I would like to see how Iran_N gets modeled on qpAdm but without using basal eurasian

 

[Ben Dover]

Would be good to see natufian modeling as well perhaps with dzudzuana, although it will most likely come out as 89% dzudzuana or barcin + 11 % mota

 

[Ben Dover]

But ANF modeling does not make sense to me. It being 1/3 Levant_N 1/3 Iran_N and 1/3 WHG

 

[Eurafricanid]

I know y'all don't want to go to the previous page, so I'm going to put it here, too!

But ANF modeling does not make sense to me. It being 1/3 Levant_N 1/3 Iran_N and 1/3 WHG

Support you statements with evidence otherwise they are as hollow as a sloths skull. Display convincing evidence of CHG being 70% Iran_N and 30% EHG. Going by distance alone a ghost population is needed.

The genetic structure of the world’s first farmers

We report genome-wide ancient DNA from 44 ancient Near Easterners ranging in time between ~12,000-1,400 BCE, from Natufian hunter-gatherers to Bronze Age farmers. We show that the earliest populations of the Near East derived around half their ancestry from a ‘Basal Eurasian’ lineage that had...

www.biorxiv.org

 

[Ben Dover]

I know y'all don't want to go to the previous page, so I'm going to put it here, too!

Why did you quote me

 

[Eurafricanid]

@geneticfreak

How can Levant PPNB,Natufian,CHG and Iran Neo be modeled? do you have any information?

Would be good to see natufian modeling as well perhaps with dzudzuana, although it will most likely come out as 89% dzudzuana or barcin + 11 % mota

Personally I would like to see how Iran_N gets modeled on qpAdm but without using basal eurasian

Ther's no way to model Iran_N without basal eurasian, it whould be like modeling Arabs without Natufian 🤦‍♂️, but here's the modeling, from the same study.

 

[Eurafricanid]

Why did you quote me

Because of this:

But ANF modeling does not make sense to me. It being 1/3 Levant_N 1/3 Iran_N and 1/3 WHG

 

[Kurdquistador]

Ther's no way to model Iran_N without basal eurasian, it whould be like modeling Arabs without Natufian 🤦‍♂️, but here's the modeling, from the same study.

this is not a modelling

 

[Ben Dover]

Ther's no way to model Iran_N without basal eurasian, it whould be like modeling Arabs without Natufian 🤦‍♂️, but here's the modeling, from the same study.

The thing is that Iran_N proceeds Iran mesolithic and had a split from basal eurasian further back in time.. and if anything Iran_N should have been modeled with CHG or Hotu or a relevant source as they both preceded Iran_N. But fuck this shit nigga

 

[Eurafricanid]

this is not a modelling

???

 

[Eurafricanid]

The thing is that Iran_N proceeds Iran mesolithic and had a split from basal eurasian further back in time.. and if anything Iran_N should have been modeled with CHG or Hotu or a relevant source as they both preceded Iran_N. But fuck this shit nigga

It's not that CHG descended directly from Iran_N, it's that it descends from a population that was similar to Iran_N and then mixed with EHG, but because it's a ghost population we say it was Iran_N + EHG, because that's the closest mix.

 

[Kurdquistador]

it is rather that both Iran N and CHG descend from baradostians ...around mesopotamia

CHG got shifted towards EHG and Iran N probably mixed a little with a ghost central asian pop