Eurogenes K12b thread

[Ben Dover]

He in some other comments assumed that middleeastern ancestry in jews were around 35-40%, while rest was european. A significant amount of that euro would been south italian/island greek shifted, as most of Italy around the time jews went there, from north to south, but not majority of their euro ancestry, as jews would likely recieved different kind of euro ancestry in middleeast.

He's not 100% what exactly the ancestry of jews is, just that they arent 50% north italian(since most of Italy was rather south italian, albeit somewhat more island-greek shifted), most of their S euro ancestry doesnt come from Italy and theyre around 1/3 middleeastern, not 50%(despite almost all of their haplogroups being of jewish origins).

By haplogroup origins you mean their Y DNA haplogroups? If Ashkenazis were 1/3 Southern Levantine the average SW Asian they score still seems a little too low considering how SW Asian Southern Levantine is and was in antiquity

 

[ImHere]

By haplogroup origins you mean their Y DNA haplogroups? If Ashkenazis were 1/3 Southern Levantine the average SW Asian they score still seems a little too low considering how SW Asian Southern Levantine is and was in antiquity

Both y-dnas and mtdna's.

I think when he refer to "middleeastern", those "middleeasterners" wouldnt have a levantine profile, but rather admixed with some aegan greek + little mesopotamian too. Not fully sure.

 

[Ben Dover]

Both y-dnas and mtdna's.

I think when he refer to "middleeastern", those "middleeasterners" wouldnt have a levantine profile, but rather admixed with some aegan greek + little mesopotamian too. Not fully sure.

I don't know man. Southern Levant has always been a high SW Asian, low European place. Based on that it would be impossible if all their acquired euro ancestry comes from southern levant 😀

 

[ImHere]

I don't know man. Southern Levant has always been a high SW Asian, low European place. Based on that it would be impossible if all their acquired euro ancestry comes from southern levant 😀

He didnt suggest they came from southern levant, rather they got that from european imperials(greeks and italians).

How are their SW-asian too low though????

 

[Ben Dover]

He didnt suggest they came from southern levant, rather they got that from european imperials(greeks and italians).

How are their SW-asian too low though????

Assuming that 1/3 of their middle eastern ancestry comes solely from Southern Levant then it's a bit low

 

[ImHere]

Assuming that 1/3 of their middle eastern ancestry comes solely from Southern Levant then it's a bit low

Ashkenazis scores 14%, right???

How much would they(S levantines) score? 30-40%? Not really that low either

 

[Ben Dover]

Ashkenazis scores 14%, right???

How much would they(levantines) score? 30-40%? Not really that low either

Depends on a Levantine. But even a non-levantine northern West asian population such as Kurds on average score similar amounts or a couple percentage less SW Asian than Ashkenazis

 

[ImHere]

Depends on a Levantine. But even a non-levantine northern West asian population such as Kurds on average score similar amounts or a couple percentage less SW Asian than Ashkenazis

I know it depends on levantines, though palestinians, lebanese and jordanians i seen score around 23%. I seen iraqi arabs score 30% quiet often, while some down to 20%.

I doubt those south levantines score more than 30-40%. THis would mean the ashkenazi jews wouldnt score too low sw-asian(15%), if therye apparently around 35-40% middleeastern themselves.

 

[Ben Dover]

I know it depends on levantines, though palestinians, lebanese and jordanians i seen score around 23%. I seen iraqi arabs score 30% quiet often, while some down to 20%.

I doubt those south levantines score more than 30-40%. THis would mean the ashkenazi jews wouldnt score too low sw-asian(15%), if therye apparently around 35-40% middleeastern themselves.

A palestinian christian whose result vengeance posted scored 29% sw asian. Samaritans would score slightly more at 30%+

I think Northern Levantines average 25% sw asian but they are definitely quite northern west asian shifted than samaritans for that matter

What would you say about ashkenazis scoring similar amount of sw asian as kurds?

 

[ImHere]

A palestinian christian whose result vengeance posted scored 29% sw asian. Samaritans would score slightly more at 30%+

I think Northern Levantines average 25% sw asian but they are definitely quite northern west asian shifted than samaritans for that matter

What would you say about ashkenazis scoring similar amount of sw asian as kurds?

I dont know whats the big deal about that? They were theorised to be mostly non-middleeastern unlike kurds, and i doubt south levantines scores more than 40-45% sw-asian

 

[Ben Dover]

I dont know whats the big deal about that? They were theorised to be mostly non-middleeastern unlike kurds, and i doubt south levantines scores more than 40-45% sw-asian

Yeah, I agree with you that even Samaritans probably won't score as much as 40-45% SW Asian. However, as much as samaritans are the most preserved levantines they aren't 100% levantine but throught ancient history levantine aborigines scored 40-45% SW Asian with ease but usually they also scored a lot of Mediterranean.

Well, unlike Ashkenazis, Kurds aren't speculated to have 1/3 Levantine like ancestry?

 

[ImHere]

Yeah, I agree with you that even Samaritans probably won't score as much as 40-45% SW Asian. However, as much as samaritans are the most preserved levantines they aren't 100% levantine but throught ancient history levantine aborigines scored 40-45% SW Asian with ease but usually they also scored a lot of Mediterranean.

Well, unlike Ashkenazis, Kurds aren't speculated to have 1/3 Levantine like ancestry?

Kurds are mostly iran chalc, with a huge amount of "central asian"(BMAC + sintashta). I dont know why you bring up kurds?

Again, i wouldnt put too much importance to gedmatch calcs.

 

[Ben Dover]

Kurds are mostly iran chalc, with a huge amount of "central asian"(BMAC + sintashta). I dont know why you bring up kurds?

Again, i wouldnt put too much importance to gedmatch calcs.

I bring up Kurds because they are a non-levantine population that score similar amounts of SW Asian component as Ashkenazis.

Eurogenes k12b is decent but definitely not perfect. It is one of the finest tools, even probably better than G25 for determining components and stuff.

Most of us don't have an access to qpAdm and don't know how to use it either so.. you know what I mean

 

[ImHere]

I bring up Kurds because they are a non-levantine population that score similar amounts of SW Asian component as Ashkenazis.

Eurogenes k12b is decent but definitely not perfect. It is one of the finest tools, even probably better than G25 for determining components and stuff.

Most of us don't have an access to qpAdm and don't know how to use it either so.. you know what I mean

I dont really see why compare kurds and ashkenazis, when both are very different. Non-aryan local ancestors of kurds were very different to the middleeastern ancestors of jews, if theyre meant to be heavily "sw-asian" s levant people. Now the jews are around 1/3 middleeastern?

 

[Ben Dover]

I dont really see why compare kurds and ashkenazis, when both are very different. Non-aryan local ancestors of kurds were very different to the middleeastern ancestors of jews, if theyre meant to be heavily "sw-asian" s levant people. Now the jews are around 1/3 middleeastern?

The fact that Kurds and Ashkenazis differ quite a bit from each other but still score same amount of SW Asian is why I brought them up as I implied. I don't get what you intended to ask by that question in the end

 

[ImHere]

The fact that Kurds and Ashkenazis differ quite a bit from each other but still score same amount of SW Asian is why I brought them up as I implied. I don't get what you intended to ask by that question in the end

Are you just saying that because you want to say that jews and kurds score same amount of sw-asian? Because i dont know where you try to get at?

I wasnt making a question at the end. Put question mark by mistake

 

[Ben Dover]

Are you just saying that because you want to say that jews and kurds score same amount of sw-asian? Because i dont know where you try to get at?

I wasnt making a question at the end. Put question mark by mistake

Reread the last 2 comments I wrote about Kurds and Ashkenazis SW Asian scores, because I don't get what you don't understand about it

 

[Ben Dover]

@ImHere to sum it up, that guy on anthrogenica basically implied that Ashkenazi jews were localized on aegean islands or somewhere in the eastern med region that wasn't southern levant and all their middle eastern ancestry comes from that aegean region which already had some levantine admix in the mix?

 

[ImHere]

@ImHere to sum it up, that guy on anthrogenica basically implied that Ashkenazi jews were localized on aegean islands or somewhere in the eastern med region that wasn't southern levant and all their middle eastern ancestry comes from that aegean region which already had some levantine admix in the mix?

I dont think he claimed they werent from aegan islands. Maybe from med regions, but i dont think he claimed that? He and others did claim that jews derive some ancestry from there

 

[Kurdquistador]

new Caucasus score record . i already posted a western georgian woman who scores 69% . this guy scores 69.37 lol

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