Eurogenes K12b thread

[Kurdquistador]

Lezgins or Adyghe aren't the same populations. One would think Lezgins should theoretically score more Mong given their geographic proximity to Mongs yet that isn't the case at all. And to answer your questions, Lezgins should, and do score trace amounts of SA on these Gedmatch calcs, much like most West Asians.

A percentage point or two difference should NOT be chalked up to having foreign ancestry moreso than it should be attributed to genetic variation within populations.

You don't honestly expect every single individual to show identical scores to one another, do you?

i know that lezgins and adyghe arent the same people . i only mentioned both because imhere wasnt sure if the kit is adyghe or lezgin

i am not talking about calcs like k13 k15 etc. where the south asian component has a lot of hidden west asian in it . i am talking about eurogenes k12b (if you want you can also use harappa or dodecad k12b) where you will get the real south asian score

no i dont expect that . i am the last one who would and always tell guti this

 

[ImHere]

The differences between both sets of kits are hardly relevant. What makes the individual with 4% SA ancestry a partial gypsy compared to the individual with 2% SA who is supposed to be pure?

Could you possibly consider the fact that maybe some WCA ancestry is absorbed a bit more into SA? It is an outdated calc that suffers from calculator effect. Or maybe the possibly that NW Caucs. have SA by way of absorbing some chinky central asian population into their gene pool?

It's an old calc, but it isnt gonna be 180 different to g25.

Cauasians usually dont get more than 1% "south asian" and usually 0%. She literally got 4.5% "south asian" which isnt typical.

Also, which central asian would be responsible for this? They themselves dont get that much more than 8-9%.

I doubt she's half central asian, otherwise i would seen some central asian matches on gedmatch(you get a signficiant amount of matches on gedmatches of example nigerian ancestry, if youre partially nigerian, even if 1/16 nigerian)

 

[ImHere]

i know that lezgins and adyghe arent the same people . i only mentioned both because imhere wasnt sure if the kit is adyghe or lezgin

i am not talking about calcs like k13 k15 etc. where the south asian component has a lot of hidden west asian in it . i am talking about eurogenes k12b (if you want you can also use harappa or dodecad k12b) where you will get the real south asian score

no i dont expect that . i am the last one who would and always tell guti this

Whats "real" south asian? Even harappaworld is signficantly west eurasian, less so than the "south asian" on eurogones k12b?

 

[Kurdquistador]

Whats "real" south asian? Even harappaworld is signficantly west eurasian, less so than the "south asian" on eurogones k12b?

you tell me bro !

 

[ImHere]

you tell me bro !

Well, by "south asian" i assume you mean "purely south eurasian"?

THats def not HW or eurogenes k12b

 

[ImHere]

She might not be partially gypsie. I checked her gedmatch matches(havent done that with her kit). Couldnt see gypsies.

Im still gonna suspect her "south asian" though

 

[FinalFlash]

She might not be partially gypsie. I checked her gedmatch matches. Couldnt see gypsies.

Im still gonna suspect her "south asian" though

Told you so 😁

 

[ImHere]

Told you so 😁

I said she MIGHT not. Not too sure. Her gedmatch kit is even ancestrydna(high SNP), so she most likely would score some AASI on g25

 

[ImHere]

Sephardic jew from Alexandria, Egypt, https://www.facebook.com/rslvic/pos...ith-his-family-in-1959-he-n/1903118609828061/

Western European	11.42 Pct​
Siberian	-​
East African	2.77 Pct​
West Central Asian	7.5 Pct​
South Asian	-​
West African	0.64 Pct​
Caucasus	26.17 Pct​
Finnish	-​
Mediterranean	28.82 Pct​
Southwest Asian	18.83 Pct​
North European	3.57 Pct​
East Asian	0.28 Pct​

 

[Ben Dover]

Mizrahi jew from Alexandria, Egypt, https://www.facebook.com/rslvic/pos...ith-his-family-in-1959-he-n/1903118609828061/

Western European	11.42 Pct​
Siberian	-​
East African	2.77 Pct​
West Central Asian	7.5 Pct​
South Asian	-​
West African	0.64 Pct​
Caucasus	26.17 Pct​
Finnish	-​
Mediterranean	28.82 Pct​
Southwest Asian	18.83 Pct​
North European	3.57 Pct​
East Asian	0.28 Pct​

I doubt that's a mizrahi jew. Loos like a sephardic hew from Egypt

 

[Ben Dover]

Of you can post his k13 results

 

[ImHere]

I doubt that's a mizrahi jew. Loos like a sephardic hew from Egypt

He got slight matches with someone who has "mizrahi" in their name. But i guess he's sephardic?

 

[Ben Dover]

He got slight matches with someone who has "mizrahi" in their name. But i guess he's sephardic?

Looks sephardic. Caucasus score is very low for someone who is any kind of mizrahi as well as west central asian score and higher Mediterranean. West euro is also very high for any kind of mizrahi. Possibly west+east african as well

 

[ImHere]

1East_Med 38.03
2West_Med 18.29
3West_Asian 16.69
4North_Atlantic 10.98
5Red_Sea 7.78
6Baltic 4.16
7Northeast_African 1.89
8Sub-Saharan 0.75
9South_Asian 0.52
10Amerindian 0.42
11East_Asian 0.26
12Siberian 0.22

1Sephardic_Jewish 5.99
2Tunisian_Jewish 6.23
3Cyprian 6.71
4Italian_Jewish 7.19
5Algerian_Jewish 7.24
6Libyan_Jewish 7.36
7South_Italian 9.08
8Ashkenazi 9.27
9Lebanese_Muslim 9.84
10East_Sicilian 10.26
11Syrian 11.46
12Central_Greek 11.56
13Samaritan 12.48
14Lebanese_Christian 13.53
15Lebanese_Druze 13.6
16Jordanian 13.81
17Palestinian 13.87
18West_Sicilian 14.15
19Italian_Abruzzo 14.47
20Turkish 16.94


1 51.1%Lebanese_Christian+48.9%West_Sicilian@1.9
2 74.7%Italian_Jewish+25.3%Georgian_Jewish@2.05
3 57.1%East_Sicilian+42.9%Lebanese_Christian@2.1
4 60.2%South_Italian+39.8%Lebanese_Christian@2.19
5 60.4%South_Italian+39.6%Lebanese_Druze@2.28
6 53.8%Samaritan+46.2%Italian_Abruzzo@2.29
7 58.3%South_Italian+41.7%Samaritan@2.29
8 72%Italian_Jewish+28%Assyrian@2.31
9 67.3%Lebanese_Christian+32.7%North_Italian@2.33
10 61%Lebanese_Christian+39%Tuscan@2.36
11 57.3%East_Sicilian+42.7%Lebanese_Druze@2.41
12 51.7%Lebanese_Christian+48.3%Italian_Abruzzo@2.43
13 61%South_Italian+39%Palestinian@2.46
14 58.5%Italian_Jewish+41.5%Lebanese_Muslim@2.5
15 74.9%Algerian_Jewish+25.1%Georgian_Jewish@2.52
16 72.1%Algerian_Jewish+27.9%Assyrian@2.53
17 73.9%Lebanese_Christian+26.1%Spanish_Cataluna@2.58
18 59.1%Cyprian+40.9%Ashkenazi@2.67
19 72.4%Italian_Jewish+27.6%Kurdish_Jewish@2.69
20 72.6%Lebanese_Christian+27.4%Portuguese@2.7

 

[Ben Dover]

1East_Med 38.03
2West_Med 18.29
3West_Asian 16.69
4North_Atlantic 10.98
5Red_Sea 7.78
6Baltic 4.16
7Northeast_African 1.89
8Sub-Saharan 0.75
9South_Asian 0.52
10Amerindian 0.42
11East_Asian 0.26
12Siberian 0.22

1Sephardic_Jewish 5.99
2Tunisian_Jewish 6.23
3Cyprian 6.71
4Italian_Jewish 7.19
5Algerian_Jewish 7.24
6Libyan_Jewish 7.36
7South_Italian 9.08
8Ashkenazi 9.27
9Lebanese_Muslim 9.84
10East_Sicilian 10.26
11Syrian 11.46
12Central_Greek 11.56
13Samaritan 12.48
14Lebanese_Christian 13.53
15Lebanese_Druze 13.6
16Jordanian 13.81
17Palestinian 13.87
18West_Sicilian 14.15
19Italian_Abruzzo 14.47
20Turkish 16.94


1 51.1%Lebanese_Christian+48.9%West_Sicilian@1.9
2 74.7%Italian_Jewish+25.3%Georgian_Jewish@2.05
3 57.1%East_Sicilian+42.9%Lebanese_Christian@2.1
4 60.2%South_Italian+39.8%Lebanese_Christian@2.19
5 60.4%South_Italian+39.6%Lebanese_Druze@2.28
6 53.8%Samaritan+46.2%Italian_Abruzzo@2.29
7 58.3%South_Italian+41.7%Samaritan@2.29
8 72%Italian_Jewish+28%Assyrian@2.31
9 67.3%Lebanese_Christian+32.7%North_Italian@2.33
10 61%Lebanese_Christian+39%Tuscan@2.36
11 57.3%East_Sicilian+42.7%Lebanese_Druze@2.41
12 51.7%Lebanese_Christian+48.3%Italian_Abruzzo@2.43
13 61%South_Italian+39%Palestinian@2.46
14 58.5%Italian_Jewish+41.5%Lebanese_Muslim@2.5
15 74.9%Algerian_Jewish+25.1%Georgian_Jewish@2.52
16 72.1%Algerian_Jewish+27.9%Assyrian@2.53
17 73.9%Lebanese_Christian+26.1%Spanish_Cataluna@2.58
18 59.1%Cyprian+40.9%Ashkenazi@2.67
19 72.4%Italian_Jewish+27.6%Kurdish_Jewish@2.69
20 72.6%Lebanese_Christian+27.4%Portuguese@2.7

I was right for the most part. Seems to be 3/4 Sephardic and 1/4 some sort of Northern West Asian

 

[Kurdquistador]

I was right for the most part. Seems to be 3/4 Sephardic and 1/4 some sort of Northern West Asian

you cant say that only because he gets modelled like that

 

[Ben Dover]

you cant say that only because he gets modelled like that

It is evident that he is mostly sephardic with northern west asian like admix

 

[Ben Dover]

@vengeance you can get mad all you want

 

[FinalFlash]

It is evident that he is mostly sephardic with northern west asian like admix

It's possible but I don't think that's the case here. Sephs are a bit more southern shifted compared to ashkies. Getting modeled as roughly half Leb Christian and half Sicilian makes sense. They're almost Cypriot-like.

 

[Ben Dover]

It's possible but I don't think that's the case here. Sephs are a bit more southern shifted compared to ashkies. Getting modeled as roughly half Leb Christian and half Sicilian makes sense. They're almost Cypriot-like.

This person gets modeled as 75% north african jew + 25% mizrahi jew or assyrian so ot is reasonable to think that he is mizrahi admixed