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Eurogenes K12b thread

Kurdquistador

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well i have no idea . some of those academic samples also score 55% caucasus or so . and i have seen 1-2 who score 30% north european and 32% caucasus . lol

by the way here is a cherkes result (Abzekh+Bjedugh)


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Ben Dover

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well i have no idea . some of those academic samples also score 55% caucasus or so . and i have seen 1-2 who score 30% north european and 32% caucasus . lol

by the way here is a cherkes result (Abzekh+Bjedugh)


43199711ce.jpg
55% caucasus is rather okay for adygheans, but the one with only 32% caucasus and 30% north euro is mixed with russian or some sort of east euro population. Most likely it's Russian.

This result is rather normal in comparison to the other one
 

Kurdquistador

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55% caucasus is rather okay for adygheans, but the one with only 32% caucasus and 30% north euro is mixed with russian or some sort of east euro population. Most likely it's Russian.

This result is rather normal in comparison to the other one

but i can imagine many adyghe scoring around 70% caucasus actually

also are "cherkes" = adyghe ?
 

Ben Dover

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but i can imagine many adyghe scoring around 70% caucasus actually

also are "cherkes" = adyghe ?
70% and up is an overstatement for adyghe. I could even say that it might be too much for NW Georgians. Very few of them could score that much

Adyghe are a subset of 12 circassian tribes. They are native to NW Caucasus.
 

ImHere

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Circassian from either Jordan or Syria:


Population
Western European
11.65 Pct​
Siberian
2.69 Pct​
East African
0.34 Pct​
West Central Asian
9.72 Pct​
South Asian
-​
West African
-​
Caucasus
53.88 Pct​
Finnish
1.51 Pct​
Mediterranean
6.25 Pct​
Southwest Asian
3.44 Pct​
North European
8.83 Pct​
East Asian
1.69 Pct​




Dagestani(circassian?) from Amman, Jordan, with likely gypsy ancestry:


Population
Western European
9.72 Pct​
Siberian
4.88 Pct​
East African
-​
West Central Asian
5.1 Pct​
South Asian
4.49 Pct​
West African
0.6 Pct​
Caucasus
50.09 Pct​
Finnish
1.89 Pct​
Mediterranean
7.3 Pct​
Southwest Asian
3.32 Pct​
North European
10.75 Pct​
East Asian
1.86 Pct​
 

FinalFlash

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Circassian from either Jordan or Syria:


Population
Western European
11.65 Pct​
Siberian
2.69 Pct​
East African
0.34 Pct​
West Central Asian
9.72 Pct​
South Asian
-​
West African
-​
Caucasus
53.88 Pct​
Finnish
1.51 Pct​
Mediterranean
6.25 Pct​
Southwest Asian
3.44 Pct​
North European
8.83 Pct​
East Asian
1.69 Pct​




Dagestani(circassian?) from Amman, Jordan, with likely gypsy ancestry:


Population
Western European
9.72 Pct​
Siberian
4.88 Pct​
East African
-​
West Central Asian
5.1 Pct​
South Asian
4.49 Pct​
West African
0.6 Pct​
Caucasus
50.09 Pct​
Finnish
1.89 Pct​
Mediterranean
7.3 Pct​
Southwest Asian
3.32 Pct​
North European
10.75 Pct​
East Asian
1.86 Pct​
No way does this person have gypsy ancestry.
 

Ben Dover

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I imagine dagestanis to get 0-1% "south asian" on all sort of gedmatch calcs.

1/5 is quit possible
In the end it probably depends on how the calculator interprets the actual ancestry in percentages. It might give more or less than it actually is
 

FinalFlash

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Dont think so with 4,5%. Specially with dagestanis. She also got modelled as 1/5 gypsy on gedmatch

She likely does have some gypsy heritage
Model her on G25 if she has coords.

Sorry, I don't trust Gedmatch calcs. Too many whacky results that simply don't get captured on G25.
 

ImHere

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Model her on G25 if she has coords.

Sorry, I don't trust Gedmatch calcs. Too many whacky results that simply don't get captured on G25.
She dont, why would i have her coords?

Its fine you dont trust gedmatch, its outdated indeed, but to act like every single thing gedmatch says is completely wrong, is a bit silly. Gedmatch isnt even that different from g25 as far i noticed.
But you can go and have your opinion that she doesnt have gypsy ancestry
 

FinalFlash

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She dont, why would i have her coords?

Its fine you dont trust gedmatch, its outdated indeed, but to act like every single thing gedmatch says is completely wrong, is a bit silly. Gedmatch isnt even that different from g25 as far i noticed.
But you can go and have your opinion that she doesnt have gypsy ancestry
The differences between both sets of kits are hardly relevant. What makes the individual with 4% SA ancestry a partial gypsy compared to the individual with 2% SA who is supposed to be pure?

Could you possibly consider the fact that maybe some WCA ancestry is absorbed a bit more into SA? It is an outdated calc that suffers from calculator effect. Or maybe the possibly that NW Caucs. have SA by way of absorbing some chinky central asian population into their gene pool?
 

Kurdquistador

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the thing you need to focus on is what the ethnic group usually scores regarding south asian . if most lezgins or adyghe are 0-1% then 4% is POSSIBLE to be gypsy mixed . which arises another question for me though .....are there even gypsies in lands that adyghe or lezgins inhabit ?

for us kurds i can tell you as i already did often that we have many gypsies and our south asian score on average is around 2% so if anybody would score lets say 8% then he/she 100% has gypsy admix
 

FinalFlash

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the thing you need to focus on is what the ethnic group usually scores regarding south asian . if most lezgins or adyghe are 0-1% then 4% is POSSIBLE to be gypsy mixed . which arises another question for me though .....are there even gypsies in lands that adyghe or lezgins inhabit ?

for us kurds i can tell you as i already did often that we have many gypsies and our south asian score on average is around 2% so if anybody would score lets say 8% then he/she 100% has gypsy admix
Lezgins or Adyghe aren't the same populations. One would think Lezgins should theoretically score more Mong given their geographic proximity to Mongs yet that isn't the case at all. And to answer your questions, Lezgins should, and do score trace amounts of SA on these Gedmatch calcs, much like most West Asians.

A percentage point or two difference should NOT be chalked up to having foreign ancestry moreso than it should be attributed to genetic variation within populations.

You don't honestly expect every single individual to show identical scores to one another, do you?
 
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