Classify him and where does he pass?

[Odelia]

People must not be blinded by the colour or 'whitness' of the skin. It is a very recent phenomenon and depigmentation occurred after the Agricultural Revolution that took place on the Iranian Plateau and Upper Mesopotamia. ANE people predate Agricultural Revolution.

When you have ancient 'archaic' primitive people in mind don't try to compare them with the 'modern' evolved people or you will fail.

And who are the archaic primitive people? The Semites? Huns, last time I checked they had pretty powerful empires in West Asia - The Assyrians (ancient ones not the modern mongrels), Babylonians and the Akkadians were a world class empires and they had the first large cities. Don't forget the ancient Egyptians (not Semites, but Afro-Asiatic). Hate them all you like, but our schools were preoccupied with them more. They invented a lot of good shit in the ancient era. Persian empire followed, but the first advanced empires were the Semites. Sumerians, I'm not sure who they were linguistically although they would have merged with Babylonians and Akkadians (Semites).

I think your negative idea of Semitic is based on Hitler's. But to Hitler, I'm sure not just Semites, but fucking Iranians, Anatolians, Caucasians and even Southern Europeans will be primitive looking dark haired, olive skinned, dark eyed monkeys. He only murdered Semites because his country was filled with them. And I say this a lot to anti-Semites (anti-Jews) who applaud Hitler for murdering Jews and shitting on Semites - They were fucking foreigners in his land. He would done the same if Germany was instead filled with fucking Sicilians or Georgians and whatnot. He wanted a Nordic Germany! And that's fucking that!

 

[Odelia]

Oh and guess what? Ancient Egyptians are now thought to be more Levantine/Semitic than previously thought:

Led by researchers at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History and the University of Tubingen in Germany, the study found that ancient Egyptians were closely related to people in Turkey and the Levant. The results were published in the journal Nature Communications.

We find that ancient Egyptians are most closely related to Neolithic and Bronze Age samples in the Levant, as well as to Neolithic Anatolian and European populations

"Instead of finding that ancient Egyptians were more African, we actually found them to be almost zero or much less sub-Saharan African than the population that live in Egypt today...They have these closest genetic links to the fertile crescent and the eastern populations of what's now Israel, but if they came from there or if they just evolved with gene flow all the time in this region, we cannot really say."

Study reveals ancient Egyptians closer to Levantines than Africans

DNA from 151 mummies were extracted and analyzed from an archaeological site south of Cairo.

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Ancient Egyptian mummy genomes suggest an increase of Sub-Saharan African ancestry in post-Roman periods - Nature Communications

Archaeological and historical records had shown ancient Egypt before and after Ptolemaic and Roman periods to be a hub of human migration and exchange. Here, Schuenemann and colleagues analyse ancient mitochondrial and nuclear DNA to investigate the genetic history of Egypt.

www.nature.com

Who were the ancient Egyptians? Mummy DNA reveals surprising clues

Genetic analysis of 93 ancient Egyptian mummies suggests the African heritage evident in modern Egyptian populations may be the result of the slave trade down the Nile in the past 1,500 years.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Ben Dover]

You got me wrong hun. Who said Jews aren't Semitic? They are, even the mixed ones have a good amount of Semitic background. My point was that Georgian Jews are predominantly Semitic in makeup. Sure they're related to ethnic Georgians, but they're not that close to them and they seem to have a more Semitic cluster. This applies to my kin the Sicilian Jews. They may have intermingled with us, but they're still predominantly Jewish.

Do you even know what semitic is? It is a language grouping. First of all, georgian jews don't speak a semitic language, their mother tongue is georgian. Second of all, if you are referring to levantine component as semitic then guess what. Georgian jews don't have an overwhelmingly high levantine component. In fact it is small. I mean this seriously but in fact it could be even tiny for an ethnicity that is identified as "jewish". I am going to repeat this again. Levantine ancestry in georgian jews could very well derive from the levant itself but is is also plausible that the levantine component exists in them because of the total mesopotamian package that georgian jews are primarily made of.

And another thing. Everyone that identifies as jewish isn't arabian or as you incorrectly call it 'semitic" by blood.

Georgian Jews aren't related to georgians... Both of them are NW asian people and that's the only similarity they have.

 

[Ben Dover]

Because everybody I mentioned do cluster very close to each other on the PCA maps and is part of the Caucaus/Iran super cluster. I mean West Iranic Gilakis from the south of the Caspian Sea/Gilan are very close to the Kurds (and even to the Turkified Azeris), but what do they have in common with the Arabic Lebanese from the Levant? Nothing! Northern Caucasus people such as Lezgins from Dagestan do also cluster very close to the Iranic people, such as Kurds, Mazandaranians and Gilakis. And what about the Eastern Iranic speaking Ossetians? What do the Ossetians have in common with the Semitic Assyrians, lol? On the other sider there are million links between Iranic Ossetians from the Northern Caucasus and Iranic Kurds or Mazandaranians.

Armenians are somehow shifted toward the Anatolia and the Levant and are closer to the Semitic people. But that makes sense, because Armenians are actually from Anatolia/Armenian Plateau and not really from the Caucasus.

Do you think that the Northern Caucasus people such as Lezgins and Ossetians are closer to the Kurds or to the Armenians? Of course Ossetians and Lezgins from Dagestan are closer to the Kurds than to the Armenians!

Furthermore I don't care what other think and feel.

I find it funny how you use anatolia and levant as almost synonymous words

 

[Ben Dover]

You got me wrong hun. Who said Jews aren't Semitic? They are, even the mixed ones have a good amount of Semitic background. My point was that Georgian Jews are predominantly Semitic in makeup. Sure they're related to ethnic Georgians, but they're not that close to them and they seem to have a more Semitic cluster. This applies to my kin the Sicilian Jews. They may have intermingled with us, but they're still predominantly Jewish.

Ashkenazi jews are 51-53% euro from which 35% is southern euro, 8% western euro and 8% eastern euro. The rest is levantine. What do you mean by predominantly jewish😄

 

[Ben Dover]

Your Lebanese/Assyrian logic: All Jews are mixed. Only Georgian Jews who have been living in Georgia for the last 2000 years are not mixed with the native people in the Caucasus.

Georgian jews are different from those other "jews" but there is no point in explaining that to you. Maybe your dumbass even thinks that georgian jews have anything to do with non-mizrahi jews. Dude you are plain stupid. I am genuinely done wasting time arguing with you. Btw do you speak georgian?

 

[Ben Dover]

Assyrians are definitely NW asian

 

[Ben Dover]

You change your opinions quite a lot too. At first you said that I looked nothing like a cypriot and that I looked a lot more western iranic and muslim kurdish. You also mentioned that I wasn't semitic and didn't really look like one. You drastically changed your mind. Now I am just a caucasus admixed arab in your opinion. The people you call SW asian aren't even SW asian and that's one of the many stupid crap you say

 

[Ben Dover]

Georgian Jews came from Babylon where they stayed for couple of hundreds of years. They have been living in Georgia right now much longer than they ever were in Babylon.

They either came from babylon or from assyria. It is also true that they have been living in georgia much longer than they had ever lived in mesopotamia.

 

[Ben Dover]

Assyrians are Semites. There was never a Semite on this planet who was native to Northern West Asian.

Semites/Semitic race is SOUTHERN West Asian, period.

If assyrians didn't speak aramaic you wouldn't been talking this bs right now

 

[Ben Dover]

If assyrians are genuinely SW asians then why do they cluster a lot closer to armenians and even kurds than to saudis, gulf arabs, yemenites?

 

[Ben Dover]

Yes, Assyrian King captured them an took them to Babylon/Assyria. Later those Jews were liberated by the ARYANS (Medes/Persians/Parthians). Some of them went to Caucasus. Those Jews in the Caucasus have been living there for 2000 years. ALL Jews I know are mixed to a degree that they don’t even have any ‘Jewish’ DNA left in their blood.

That's not true. Western Jews have considerably more levantine than mizrahi jews on average. Georgian jews might descend from assyrian converts who mixed with eastern anatolian people until they moved to georgia or they are descended from judean captives in babylonia who then mixed very heavily with northern mesopotamian people and attained some extra northern admixture. I think that the first theory justifies their northern shift a lot better than just the babylonian one. The point is georgian jews have traceable levantine in them however it either comes from the mesopotamian package or the levant itself. By no means the levantine component is huge in any way tho. That's all I have to say about this topic.

 

[Ben Dover]

Assyrians are of the mixed race. Just like Turks.

Assyrians are originally Semitic people (came from Amorites and Akkadians), but they mixed with the Armenians. Just like the original Turks from China are mixed with the Armenians and Greeks.

Where did you read that one ancestry line of turks goes to china?

 

[Ben Dover]

Triangulation supports agricultural spread of the Transeurasian languages - Nature

A ‘triangulation’ approach combining linguistics, archaeology and genetics suggests that the origin and spread of Transeurasian family of languages can be traced back to early millet farmers in Neolithic North East Asia.

www.nature.com

Just because proto-turkic language was spread into the parts of NE Asia that means that some ancestral origin of Turks are from NE Asia? It is widely recognized that the turkic ancestry in modern day turks comes from central asia and not from NE Asia. Do you have G25 coordinates and if so can you post your population distances?

 

[Ben Dover]

Never denied that. I have never denied that Georgian Jews came from Mesopotamia before they arrived in the Caucasus. All I am telling it that Georgian Jews heavily mixed with the local people after they settled down in the Caucasus (Georgia/Armenia). Just like all other Jews did in other parts of the world.

They only thing why Georgian Jews can be considered Northern West Asian, because they have been living in the Caucasus for the last 2000 years are heavily mixed with the Caucasus people.

Just like I do consider Dutch Jews as partly Northern West European people

Okay, I still disagree with georgian jews attaining heavy georgian admixture but why do you consider dutch jews as partly northern west european people? They are the same as other ashkenazi jews with similar proportions of the same ancestry

 

[Ben Dover]

Well, their language is from China. That means the very FIRST person who spoke proto-Turkic was from China, period. Later on they migrated into the Northern China/Altai and from there they started to migrate into the Western Eurasia.

I would like to hear skidrow's opinion about this

 

[Ben Dover]

Dutch Jews I know consider themselves Europeans who have only a Jewish religion. Especially the most educated one. Some of them look like Dutch and some of them look a little bit mixed. But their hybrid Dutch-Jewish ethnicity is from Northern West Europe. And therefore you can consider them Northern West European people.

Just like Jews from Africa, African people
Jews from China Chinese people
Jews from Arabia Arabian people

Georgian Jews are 'Caucasus' people. They have been living in the Caucasus for a very long time

They genetical morphology is that of ashkenazi jews, nothing different. I haven't seen a lot of dutch jews besides Anne Frank who by the way looks like a typical ashkenazi jew.

 

[Kurdquistador]

assyrians are northern west asians . so are georgian jews . so are armenians . so are druze people

 

[Ben Dover]

assyrians are northern west asians . so are georgian jews . so are armenians . so are druze people

Yeah. Out of these 3 peoole Geo Jews have the closest affinity to other NW asian people

 

[Ben Dover]

Some recent party of the Georgian Jews in Tbilisi

Nino Chkheidze on Instagram: "#safisa #party"

1,225 likes, 25 comments - ninochkheidze_official on November 20, 2021: "#safisa #party"

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Skidrow where do some of the people from that vid pass? The female singer is georgian and don't acknowledge her.