Classify him and where does he pass?

[Ben Dover]

There are two theories about the origins of Georgians Jews. One corresponds to the babylonian captivity and another one to the assyrian converts to Judaism. In both of these cases, huge number of mesopotamian people converted to Judaism and also to some degree interbred with judean captives. That I believe is the case for Iraqi, Iranian,Kurdish and probably mountain Jews, since they are descendants of iranian jews with some extra iranian admixture.

Georgian Jews could very well descend from huge number of mesopotamian converts that mixed with judeans in captivity, but the northern shift that georgian jews have even compared to assyrians makes me think that the second theory holds dome thruth in it.

The second theory is based on georgian jews just being descendants of assyrian converts who then migrated to Georgia. This theory can hold some truth, because not only georgian jews are the closest people to assyrians and vice versa, but because they show closer proximity to armenians and to southern caucasians as well. The additional admixture that georgian jews could have picked up in my opinion might have come from some ancient anatolian source while they were on their way to georgia. The reason why most likely they don't have any georgian blood in their veins is because ever since they arrived in Georgia 26 centuries ago they were already extremely homogeneous. They had their own quarters in eastern and western georgian towns and the religious barrier also pushed them away from interbreeding with georgians.

 

[Ben Dover]

Chinese Jew. Does she look Chinese/Eastern Mongoloid? Very much. Does she look Semitic? Yes she does. She looks like Anne Frank, lmao. Does she have a Semitic Levantine origin? 100% YES!
Same with the Georgian Jews. They mixed with the people in the Caucasus (and even in Kurdistan before they arrived in the Caucasus), but their origin is still Semitic/Levantine.

Dude, with whatever population you mix with you are partially descended from it and therefore you have origins from those lines too. You can't just claim that a mixed population has origins from only one of the ancestral population. Especially in the case of georgian jews levantine/"semetic" component is small anyways and the existence of it may even come from mesopotamian package.

And again, chances are georgian jews have no traceable georgian/caucasus ancestry. If anything there is a better chance of them having ancient anatolian admix

 

[Ben Dover]

Georgian Jews also mixed with the people in the Caucasus. Mostly Armenians and Georgians. If Jews mix everywhere, why do you think that didn't happen in the Caucasus? Georgian Jews have a lot recent Armenian and Georgian gene flow into their genes.

They don't. I think I would know better how georgian jewish community in georgia operates and the overall history of them. Ever since they arrived in georgia they have been extremely homogeneous and only in individual cases have georgian jews mixed with georgians. I represent one of those cases. Other than that 99.9% of georgian jews in georgia are pure georgian jews. Also, what would lead you to think that georgian jews mixed with armenians at some point in time?

 

[Ben Dover]

Georgian Jews also mixed with the people in the Caucasus. Mostly Armenians and Georgians. If Jews mix everywhere, why do you think that didn't happen in the Caucasus? Georgian Jews have a lot recent Armenian and Georgian gene flow into their genes.

The fact is people who follow judaism in modern times and even in antiquity after the babylonian times have rarely ever mixed with people who held other beliefs

 

[Ben Dover]

They did. Youa re a fake Jew, mate. All Georgian Jews I know are mixed with the Armenians/Georgians.

Fuck off. Just because I critique your idiotic statements doesn't make me a fake georgian jew. Btw, I don't identify myself as just jewish. Only as Georgian Jewish

 

[Kurdquistador]

All Jews all over the world have admixture from the native population of their new homeland. Jews in Europe, Jews in Africa, Jews in China. All of them are mixed. According to you somehow Georgian Jews are pure and didn't mix with the native people. You know how ridiculous that sounds?

thats not true . bukharan jews are in uzbekistan and have no uzbek admix for example

 

[Ben Dover]

All Jews all over the world have admixture from native population of their new homeland. Jews in Europe, Jews in Africa, Jews in China. According to you somehow Georgian Jews are pure and didn't mix with the native people. You know how ridiculous that sounds?

I said it yesterday and I am going to say this again. You how serious problems with paying attention to what others are saying. When did I claim that Georgian jews are "pure"? Pure what? You are so delusional you don't even know remember what you were talking about a second ago. All these "jews" from all over the world don't necessarily have the ancestry from the country they reside in. That just isn't the case and I am gonna repeat this again. Georgian Jews have lived in separate, isolated communities in Georgia since they arrived there and for the most part had no incoming gene flow from them. Case closed.

 

[Ben Dover]

thats not true . bukharan jews are in uzbekistan and have no uzbek admix for example

Yes, skidrow is right. Bukharan jews descend from iranian jews and after their divergence, they got extra iranian admixture. They don't have uzbek admixture.

 

[Kurdquistador]

How? Many of them look Mongoloid/Turkic/Uzbek

bullshit

 

[Kurdquistador]

^ first of all you dont know who they exactly are

2. only 1-2 people on that pic have some small mong vibe

3. there are kurds who have mong vibes too . especially kazakhstan kurds

 

[Kurdquistador]

lebanese are debatable but assyrians are definitey northern west asian . i dont like the assyrians in forums but i am objective

 

[Kurdquistador]

yeah turks are not northern west asian , assyrians are not northern west asian , azerbaijanis are not northern west asian , druze are not northern west asian

only we are and georgians . seems legit

 

[Ben Dover]

yeah turks are not northern west asian , assyrians are not northern west asian , azerbaijanis are not northern west asian , druze are not northern west asian

only we are and georgians . seems legit

Don't forget afghans

 

[Ben Dover]

Semites/Arabs are part of their own world. And the original Turks are from f*cking China. China is not in Northern West Asia, mate

Ok

 

[Kurdquistador]

Don't forget afghans

why afghans ? afghans are not west asian

 

[Ben Dover]

why afghans ? afghans are not west asian

I mean it as a joke. He told me that just because afghans have high baloch component they are NW asians

 

[Kurdquistador]

I mean it as a joke. He told me that just because afghans have high baloch component they are NW asians

afghans have south asian admix and a lot less med farmer . and they dont even cluster with west asians . they are central asians imo

but he told me you said assyrians are more "north shifted" than us kurds . thats bullshit too . you both talk nonsense

 

[Ben Dover]

afghans have south asian admix and a lot less med farmer . and they dont even cluster with west asians . they are central asians imo

but he told me you said assyrians are more "north shifted" than us kurds . thats bullshit too . you both talk nonsense

I never said anything like that. He lied to you😄 what a pathetic person.

Take this as a tip. Before you believe someone that I said something next time double check it just in case.

 

[Kurdquistador]

you are right mesoman. sorry for that . i am 35 and you as a 18 year old told me my mistake

 

[Ben Dover]

Lol, I never told that. I told you that Baloch/Gedrosia ancestry is Irn_ChL ancestry from Kurdistan and that the Afghans are partly Northern West Asian people due to their proto-Eastern Iranian BMAC side. Aryan BMAC was a Northern West Asian culture.

I told you that Afghans are South Central Asian, because they do also have for a huge part non-Northern West Asian ancestry.

You agreed with me on afghans having southwest asian but you said that you still considered them as NW asians