G25 Ancient Calculator

[Ponto]

Actually there was some dance of two backs going on in ancient times between WHG and the folks in Anatolia. Villabruna type WHG has middle eastern ancestry, and Villabruna is the type of WHG mostly found in Europeans. The ancients got around. According to the Stanford University study of Imperial Romans, the Neolithic farmers in Italy had Neolithic Iranian farmer ancestry from the beginning. The ancients did more than just trade obsidian and chickpeas.

 

[Kurdquistador]

@Luso

look at this .

as i said the WHG of us Kurds is masked within EHG , Barcin N , and CHG . even the Catalhöyük merged average pop i used here has a little WHG . when i use the catalhöyük individual

Mediterranean:Anatolia_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic:cth739,0.095611,0.168578,-0.019987,-0.111759,0.03139,-0.053547,-0.002585,-0.012692,0.028224,0.073441,0.01023,-0.003447,-0.028692,0.010735,-0.041666,-0.019093,0.019297,-0.00228,0.040098,-0.037393,-0.009733,0.006059,-0.000123,0.015906,-0.018082

which seems to have none or only minimal WHG then the Kurdish reference gets 8.2 WHG even

Target: Kurdish
Distance: 5.1120% / 0.05112016

49.8 IRN_Wezmeh_N
41.4 TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic
7.6 WHG
1.2 East_Eurasian

 

[Ponto]

Those genetic scientists like Reich are not always right. For example they claimed that the Spanish and the Tuscan Italians had no hunter/gatherer ancestry. You see on Youtube vids everytime they show the ancient contributors to Europeans. Reich is definitely Woke and has his issues interpreting data without bias. With these G25 Global results isn't better to stick to ancients of similar age, the Mesolithic, Epi-Paleolithic and early Neolithic when those ancients were less mixed.

 

[Kurdquistador]

but G25 is an amateur tool

 

[Ponto]

What is a professional tool? I am just recently into this, mainly as I dislike Davidski, I didn't want to try it.

 

[Kurdquistador]

What is a professional tool? I am just recently into this, mainly as I dislike Davidski, I didn't want to try it.

qpAdm

but it seems complicated to understand and use . you would have to read a shit ton first etc.....i am too lazy for that lel

 

[Ponto]

I don't know. You seem to be doing a better job than the others I have seen which are ethnically skewed, biased.

 

[Dorquest]

Target: Dorquest_scaled Distance: 4.5441% / 0.04544145
59.4	Corded_Ware
30.2	TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic
10.4	ITA_Villabruna(WHG)

Distance to:	Dorquest_scaled
0.09863983	Corded_Ware
0.21554746	TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic
0.27397454	GEO_CHG
0.28774825	Levant_Natufian_EpiP
0.33179438	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.34296940	ITA_Villabruna(WHG)
0.39250388	IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.47108546	Jarawa
0.47682477	MAR_Taforalt
0.62396750	CHN_Yellow_River_LN
0.67358073	BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.67419665	ETH_4500BP
0.73442105	Dinka
0.77565388	Yoruba

 

[AJMazza17]

Distance to:	AJMazza17
0.16406588	GEO_CHG
0.17309092	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.18521351	Corded_Ware
0.20026728	TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic
0.25449972	Levant_Natufian_EpiP
0.30308486	IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.42207543	Jarawa
0.45028830	MAR_Taforalt
0.46938657	ITA_Villabruna(WHG)
0.59173983	CHN_Yellow_River_LN
0.63663364	ETH_4500BP
0.65797024	BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.69566059	Dinka
0.73973515	Yoruba

Target: AJMazza17 Distance: 2.5043% / 0.02504265
34.2	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
29.6	TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic
18.8	Corded_Ware
10.0	GEO_CHG
4.6	Levant_Natufian_EpiP
2.8	IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

 

[idklolimo]

 

[Eurafricanid]

Target: Eurafricanid-EU Distance: 2.8426% / 0.02842617
51.8	TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic
34.2	Corded_Ware
12.6	ITA_Villabruna(WHG)
1.4	IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

 

[Eurafricanid]

my results:

Target: ivan Distance: 3.3125% / 0.03312475
50.0	TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic
34.4	Corded_Ware
13.2	ITA_Villabruna(WHG)
2.4	MAR_Taforalt

Our results look pretty similar

Target: Eurafricanid-EU Distance: 2.8426% / 0.02842617
51.8	TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic
34.2	Corded_Ware
12.6	ITA_Villabruna(WHG)
1.4	IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

 

[Eurafricanid]

i dont know if that works for iberians but i would suggest to find this out you should model yourself or other iberians with this :

Spoiler

WHG:Rochedane,0.118376,0.111708,0.178001,0.184111,0.150182,0.044623,0.010575,0.034383,0.090809,0.028064,-0.014615,-0.016186,0.013974,-0.002752,0.058767,0.069344,0.002738,0.014189,-0.015335,0.054151,0.101446,0.013231,-0.050778,-0.178579,0.019519
WHG:BEL_Loschbour:I0001,0.133173,0.106631,0.2 0176,0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0 .096535,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
WHG:ITA_Villabruna:Villabruna,0.121791,0.1147 55,0.18592,0.184111,0.156337,0.060798,0.020211,0.0 35998,0.092445,0.018041,-0.016239,-0.016186,0.016947,-0.010046,0.054017,0.067356,0.000782,0.005448,-0.008422,0.053526,0.100073,0.010758,-0.048313,-0.163517,0.01928
WHG:Wales_Meso,0.1160995,0.1157705,0.187806,0.195416,0.1629535,0.0642845,0.0243235,0.030691,0.0915245,0.010023,-0.020055,-0.0059945,0.0049805,-0.0015825,0.061617,0.0646375,-0.001043,0.010135,-0.0043995,0.0596535,0.1056885,0.0183625,-0.047327,-0.175386,0.017783
WHG:England_Mesolithic,0.126344,0.110693,0.202891,0.197031,0.157876,0.055778,0.010575,0.03346,0.086514,0.016583,-0.017863,-0.01139,0.014866,-0.001651,0.061481,0.065499,0.002477,0.009882,-0.005531,0.06353,0.116295,0.019661,-0.055954,-0.179664,0.019399
WHG:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso,0.1225497,0.1120467,0.2008793,0.2048907,0.1728527,0.0618207,0.0160593,0.0412293,0.108602,0.0271533,-0.0193243,-0.0143373,0.0162043,-0.0086703,0.0708007,0.069035,0.0002173,0.0120353,-0.0099303,0.0637807,0.118,0.0113347,-0.0608843,-0.1971763,0.021994
Mediterranean:Anatolia_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic:cth739,0.095611,0.168578,-0.019987,-0.111759,0.03139,-0.053547,-0.002585,-0.012692,0.028224,0.073441,0.01023,-0.003447,-0.028692,0.010735,-0.041666,-0.019093,0.019297,-0.00228,0.040098,-0.037393,-0.009733,0.006059,-0.000123,0.015906,-0.018082
East_Eurasian:Oroqen,0.030732,-0.4370163,0.070899,-0.0414517,-0.04647,-0.0360697,0.0191143,0.0235373,0.007363,0.0142147,-0.0271187,-0.002148,-0.0017343,0.0002297,-0.0081887,-0.0124637,-0.0052153,0.005743,0.0106427,0.0093793,0.0111887,-0.014055,-0.0052997,0.0014057,0.0055483
East_Eurasian:Nivkh,0.0282028,-0.4409653,0.0715274,-0.0367143,-0.0564892,-0.0370303,0.0024806,0.0055381,0.0104534,0.0185678,-0.0328746,-8.32e-05,0.0010901,0.0016209,-0.0144769,-0.0086624,0.0020428,0.0107827,0.0244553,0.0153407,0.019549,-0.04604,-0.0183092,0.0089034,-0.0151814
Natufian:Levant_Natufian,0.01935,0.135065,-0.039221,-0.135984,0.026774,-0.076137,-0.019036,-0.024691,0.100626,-0.008018,0.02858,-0.019633,0.067343,0.001651,0.022801,0.02612,-0.0103,0.006714,-0.018101,0.041395,-0.004118,-0.003215,-0.014297,-0.011206,0.011975
AASI:S_AASI_Sim Av,-0.007017607,-0.247268894,-0.229976338,0.16563825,-0.035368871,0.064331863,-0.015188881,0.027727614,0.147380455,0.101064071,-0.004664075,-0.004333522,0.003228897,0.026031903,-0.047720864,-0.045200255,0.010093749,0.000906224,0.000245098,0.039040136,0.009429353,0.024010206,-0.003068505,0.015983546,-0.010868946
African_Pygmy:Bakola,-0.6413935,0.060424,0.026587,0.0308465,0.001231,0.0 041835,0.157692,-0.1221875,-0.015339,0.032256,0.0061705,-0.0892455,-0.02884,-0.0017205,0.0046825,-0.002917,0.0011085,0.0026605,0.0005025,0.0015635,-0.0008735,-0.003957,-0.001479,0.0012655,-0.0014365
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF010,-0.193499,0.083273,-0.03017,-0.088502,0.034776,-0.055499,-0.076378,0.019384,0.163619,0.008565,0.02111,-0.030573,0.07879,-0.046104,0.077496,-0.046141,-0.00665,-0.069805,-0.144176,0.036518,-0.042924,-0.129217,0.07629,-0.015303,0.018322
Khoisan:Ju_hoan_North,-0.616466,0.0601194,0.0211942,0.028424,0.0025852,-0.0038486,0.2541404,-0.199192,0.0240112,0.007909,0.0032478,-0.0723558,-0.0255104,0.00867,0.0283928,-0.0321662,0.0461558,0.4102178,-0.1364076,0.003877,-0.0556018,-0.0051686,0.0126206,-0.0044826,0.0028978
Niger-Congo:COG_Kindoki_230BP,-0.6231815,0.058393,0.019422,0.018088,0.0007695,0.0 133865,-0.007168,0.0170765,-0.035587,0.017495,0.0048715,-0.002248,-0.0031215,-0.0052985,-0.0021715,0.0088835,-0.0058675,-0.004941,-0.0042735,0.0078785,0.0061765,-0.0012985,0.002465,-0.0030125,0.0029935
Nilo_Saharan:KEN_Kakapel_900BP:KPL003,-0.513342,0.05687,-0.010936,-0.00969,-0.007386,-0.013666,-0.00658,0.014769,0.075674,-0.113898,-0.032478,0.028924,-0.049207,-0.010046,0.015065,-0.020419,0.018645,-0.000507,0.022877,-0.027138,-0.002496,0.007172,-0.027238,-0.000241,0.004071
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254

Target: Jgab602-EU Distance: 6.6295% / 0.06629457
58.8	Mediterranean
27.0	WHG
14.2	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

 

[Eurafricanid]

do you have comprehension issues ?

i said our couple of percent WHG is hidden in other components

Yes, but it's right that you don't have any direct WHG mix if you don't have a more recent european mix (Roman, Greek, etc)

 

[Ben Dover]

When you remove EHG the model will try to replace it with something relevant which is why the average got modeled with WHG in the first place. But who cares about WHG anyway

 

[Eurafricanid]

but G25 is an amateur tool

Technically yes, but it's good enough if you're not going to do a study, lol.

 

[Eurafricanid]

When you remove EHG the model will try to replace it with something relevant which is why the average got modeled with WHG in the first place. But who cares about WHG anyway

You shouldn't actually remove EHG, since it is an absolutely necessary component, but you can remove ANF, and replace it with Levant and Iran Neolithic and you're going to get your WHG.

 

[idklolimo]

WHG

WHG basically Neanderthal admix Basal Eurasian

 

[Eurafricanid]

This is the only possible model without ENF, IMO.

Spoiler: This one

WHG:Rochedane,0.118376,0.111708,0.178001,0.184111,0.150182,0.044623,0.010575,0.034383,0.090809,0.028064,-0.014615,-0.016186,0.013974,-0.002752,0.058767,0.069344,0.002738,0.014189,-0.015335,0.054151,0.101446,0.013231,-0.050778,-0.178579,0.019519 WHG:BEL_Loschbour:I0001,0.133173,0.106631,0.2 0176,0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0 .096535,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992 WHG:ITA_Villabruna:Villabruna,0.121791,0.1147 55,0.18592,0.184111,0.156337,0.060798,0.020211,0.0 35998,0.092445,0.018041,-0.016239,-0.016186,0.016947,-0.010046,0.054017,0.067356,0.000782,0.005448,-0.008422,0.053526,0.100073,0.010758,-0.048313,-0.163517,0.01928 WHG:Wales_Meso,0.1160995,0.1157705,0.187806,0.195416,0.1629535,0.0642845,0.0243235,0.030691,0.0915245,0.010023,-0.020055,-0.0059945,0.0049805,-0.0015825,0.061617,0.0646375,-0.001043,0.010135,-0.0043995,0.0596535,0.1056885,0.0183625,-0.047327,-0.175386,0.017783 WHG:England_Mesolithic,0.126344,0.110693,0.202891,0.197031,0.157876,0.055778,0.010575,0.03346,0.086514,0.016583,-0.017863,-0.01139,0.014866,-0.001651,0.061481,0.065499,0.002477,0.009882,-0.005531,0.06353,0.116295,0.019661,-0.055954,-0.179664,0.019399 WHG:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso,0.1225497,0.1120467,0.2008793,0.2048907,0.1728527,0.0618207,0.0160593,0.0412293,0.108602,0.0271533,-0.0193243,-0.0143373,0.0162043,-0.0086703,0.0708007,0.069035,0.0002173,0.0120353,-0.0099303,0.0637807,0.118,0.0113347,-0.0608843,-0.1971763,0.021994 EHG:RUS_Sidelkino_HG,0.118376,0.039606,0.133501,0.195739,0.001846,0.054105,-0.019271,-0.018922,-0.0045,-0.071437,0.010068,-0.012139,0.030475,-0.043351,0.027008,0.02201,-0.002738,-0.003927,-0.008547,0.019509,-0.003868,0.011623,0.005546,-0.022413,-0.001796 East_Eurasian:Oroqen,0.030732,-0.4370163,0.070899,-0.0414517,-0.04647,-0.0360697,0.0191143,0.0235373,0.007363,0.0142147,-0.0271187,-0.002148,-0.0017343,0.0002297,-0.0081887,-0.0124637,-0.0052153,0.005743,0.0106427,0.0093793,0.0111887,-0.014055,-0.0052997,0.0014057,0.0055483 East_Eurasian:Nivkh,0.0282028,-0.4409653,0.0715274,-0.0367143,-0.0564892,-0.0370303,0.0024806,0.0055381,0.0104534,0.0185678,-0.0328746,-8.32e-05,0.0010901,0.0016209,-0.0144769,-0.0086624,0.0020428,0.0107827,0.0244553,0.0153407,0.019549,-0.04604,-0.0183092,0.0089034,-0.0151814 Natufian:Levant_Natufian,0.01935,0.135065,-0.039221,-0.135984,0.026774,-0.076137,-0.019036,-0.024691,0.100626,-0.008018,0.02858,-0.019633,0.067343,0.001651,0.022801,0.02612,-0.0103,0.006714,-0.018101,0.041395,-0.004118,-0.003215,-0.014297,-0.011206,0.011975 Levant_Neolithic:Levant_PPNB,0.0720882,0.1645157,-0.0301695,-0.1367377,0.0302108,-0.063587,-0.0115545,-0.0098072,0.0782303,0.0370243,0.0169697,-0.0176592,0.0313178,0.0002982,-0.0227333,0.0035578,0.012886,-0.0006333,-0.0074582,0.0163827,-0.0028908,0.0062858,0.0012735,-0.007049,-0.0019558 Levant_Neolithic:Levant_PPNC,0.0705705,0.1756865,-0.022627,-0.145997,0.02939,-0.063169,-0.0158635,-0.0151145,0.0759805,0.039363,0.0101495,-0.0129635,0.0295835,0.0031655,-0.015879,0.000663,0.003129,-0.0034205,-0.0084215,0.009567,-0.009171,0.0045755,-0.0007395,0.0006625,-0.0020955 AASI:S_AASI_Sim Av,-0.007017607,-0.247268894,-0.229976338,0.16563825,-0.035368871,0.064331863,-0.015188881,0.027727614,0.147380455,0.101064071,-0.004664075,-0.004333522,0.003228897,0.026031903,-0.047720864,-0.045200255,0.010093749,0.000906224,0.000245098,0.039040136,0.009429353,0.024010206,-0.003068505,0.015983546,-0.010868946 African_Pygmy:Bakola,-0.6413935,0.060424,0.026587,0.0308465,0.001231,0.0 041835,0.157692,-0.1221875,-0.015339,0.032256,0.0061705,-0.0892455,-0.02884,-0.0017205,0.0046825,-0.002917,0.0011085,0.0026605,0.0005025,0.0015635,-0.0008735,-0.003957,-0.001479,0.0012655,-0.0014365 Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF010,-0.193499,0.083273,-0.03017,-0.088502,0.034776,-0.055499,-0.076378,0.019384,0.163619,0.008565,0.02111,-0.030573,0.07879,-0.046104,0.077496,-0.046141,-0.00665,-0.069805,-0.144176,0.036518,-0.042924,-0.129217,0.07629,-0.015303,0.018322 Khoisan:Ju_hoan_North,-0.616466,0.0601194,0.0211942,0.028424,0.0025852,-0.0038486,0.2541404,-0.199192,0.0240112,0.007909,0.0032478,-0.0723558,-0.0255104,0.00867,0.0283928,-0.0321662,0.0461558,0.4102178,-0.1364076,0.003877,-0.0556018,-0.0051686,0.0126206,-0.0044826,0.0028978 Niger-Congo:COG_Kindoki_230BP,-0.6231815,0.058393,0.019422,0.018088,0.0007695,0.0 133865,-0.007168,0.0170765,-0.035587,0.017495,0.0048715,-0.002248,-0.0031215,-0.0052985,-0.0021715,0.0088835,-0.0058675,-0.004941,-0.0042735,0.0078785,0.0061765,-0.0012985,0.002465,-0.0030125,0.0029935 Nilo_Saharan:KEN_Kakapel_900BP:KPL003,-0.513342,0.05687,-0.010936,-0.00969,-0.007386,-0.013666,-0.00658,0.014769,0.075674,-0.113898,-0.032478,0.028924,-0.049207,-0.010046,0.015065,-0.020419,0.018645,-0.000507,0.022877,-0.027138,-0.002496,0.007172,-0.027238,-0.000241,0.004071 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254

Target: Jgab602-EU Distance: 7.8866% / 0.07886613
56.8	Levant_Neolithic
24.6	EHG
11.6	WHG
7.0	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

 

[Eurafricanid]

WHG basically Neanderthal admix Basal Eurasian

Everything out of Africa is a neanderthal admixed basal eurasian or basal eurasian, this way of looking at things doesn't make any sense, WHG is a paleolithic european component, just like natufians are to the levant.