Why do people think that Spaniards are Roman or Moorish descendants

[Marshall Ted]

Eu planejava ler algumas threads no TA sobre alguns artigos passados, li uma thread inteira sobre um artigo sobre Roma e Italia BA mas quando ia ler aos outros o forum caiu, quando voltar espero os ler, obrigado pela sugestão

Ik thats a contribuiton of Moorish period, i exagerated saying very little, but i mean that Moors were not the only way of NA blood in Iberia and possibly not even the with bigger impact, but anyway was a good discussion and ty for begin polite, i will read both the article and thread in TA

One interesting note is that Token (the same user who has posted this paper in TA) said in 2019, months after this paper being published, that the elevated NA in Galicia is "truly a mystery".

 

[Jingle Bell The Baiano]

One interesting note is that Token (the same user who has posted this paper in TA) said in 2019, months after this paper being published, that the elevated NA in Galicia is "truly a mystery".

IMO prob from Christians from South which were alr NA admixed, also Asturias which was never consquisted have 7% of NA blood, which means that NA blood of Iberia-Pre Moorish was alr fairly present, Punics, Slaves from NA in Roman Period and etc. . .

 

[Marshall Ted]

IMO prob from Christians from South which were alr NA admixed, also Asturias which was never consquisted have 7% of NA blood, which means that NA blood of Iberia-Pre Moorish was alr fairly present, Punics, Slaves from NA in Roman Period and etc. . .

Well, the gradient is West-East, not South-North, thats why im more inclined to the Roman hypothesis.

And i not denying moorish influence, but they certainly are not the main source of NA in Iberia.

 

[Nassbean]

Well, the gradient is West-East, not South-North, thats why im more inclined to the Roman hypothesis.

And i not denying moorish influence, but they certainly are not the main source of NA in Iberia.

it has nothing to do with romans :

And the regions of Iberia with the highest incidence rate (both for haplogroups and autosomal) are the North of Portugal, Asturias, Galicia, Cantabria, that is, the regions that have experienced the least Muslim domination (or none at all for Asturias and Cantabria). It seems paradoxical, but it is explained by the fact that there were no "mourarias" at the time (ghettos for Muslims) and that the Berbers who settled in the north of Iberia were poorly Islamized (generation of converts by ambition of conquest) and were therefore more conducive to conversion to Christianity to stay in these lands, while future generations tended to flee south to escape the Reconquista.

D. Peterson, Historical Explanation of North African Genetic Traces in North-Western Iberia

 

[Marshall Ted]

it has nothing to do with romans :



D. Peterson, Historical Explanation of North African Genetic Traces in North-Western Iberia

I already have this paper on my PC, i've read it 4 times since i found it (months ago) and there's no word from your post on the article, be careful with your agenda.

Moreover, its just a hypothesis.

"In so doing, an early medieval origin should be
resurrected as a plausible hypothesis, and moreover one that indeed
should arguably be prioritised in accordance with Occam’s logic, as
the only significant demographic displacement from North Africa to
north-western Iberia cited in historical sources, no matter how prob-
lematical these might be."

 

[Ponto]

Unfortunately you don't need to study history or do the hard slog of studying at University to obtain knowledge about the past, human migrations and genetics, you just turn on your computer. In the past this knowledge would be called gossip and old wives tales. It is okay for the Roman Empire to be in Britain for some hundreds of years and leave just foundations, walls, the city of Bath but no genetics of Roman citizens in the current British population. Then there is Iberia, and it was one big fuck fest, Romans, Arabs, North Africans, Black Africans and Jews. In some countries, race is a big agenda especially the dark African groups, and that distorts their understanding of the past, history, movement of people and the type of people.

 

[Nassbean]

I already have this paper on my PC, i've read it 4 times since i found it (months ago) and there's no word from your post on the article, be careful with your agenda.

Moreover, its just a hypothesis.

"In so doing, an early medieval origin should be
resurrected as a plausible hypothesis, and moreover one that indeed
should arguably be prioritised in accordance with Occam’s logic, as
the only significant demographic displacement from North Africa to
north-western Iberia cited in historical sources, no matter how prob-
lematical these might be."

there is no agenda why would I care if its from the roman or medieval era ? I took it from anthrogenica and the guy said the information was in the paper which i haven't read and it's no more an hypothesis Ruderico on Anthrogenica posted the admixture date and if I remember correctly they occured during the Xth century

 

[Marshall Ted]

there is no agenda I took it from anthrogenica and the guy said the information was in the paper which i haven't read and it's no more an hypothesis Ruderico on Anthrogenica posted the admixture date and if I remember correctly they occured during the Xth century

No, there's an agenda, i know who are you since Loki kicked you from TA after trolling CV and trying to assimilate your people with my ancestors.

I dont care about Anthrogenica, same for Eupedia forum, i need new papers, not anthrotardism/kalkulatortardism.

There's a new project of DNA in Iberia (Portuguese to specific) called "Projecto Genoma" and they pretend to test almost like 15k people, no paper for now, but im following.

 

[Beowulf]

No, there's and agenda, i know who are you since Loki kicked you from TA after trolling CV and trying to assimilate your people with my ancestors.

I dont care about Anthrogenica, same for Eupedia forum, i need new papers, not anthrotardism/kalkulatortardism.

There's a new project of DNA in Iberia (Portuguese to specific) called "Projecto Genoma" and they pretend to test almost like 15k people, no paper for now, but im following.

where i can find that project? im interested to see

 

[Jingle Bell The Baiano]

There's a new project of DNA in Iberia (Portuguese to specific) called "Projecto Genoma" and they pretend to test almost like 15k people, no paper for now, but im following.

Hmm i did know abt that, we rly need more samples especially from N Portugal which wr have very very few

 

[Marshall Ted]

where i can find that project? im interested to see

Hmm i did know abt that, we rly need more samples especially from N Portugal which wr have very very few

O projecto “Genoma de Portugal” quer sequenciar o ADN de 15 mil pessoas

Há mais de um ano que está a ser criada a Estratégia Nacional para a Medicina Genómica, para contrariar a capacidade “praticamente inexistente” de ter medicina genómica em Portugal.

www.publico.pt

Its just a project, for now, i hope they can go far.

 

[Marshall Ted]

O projecto “Genoma de Portugal” quer sequenciar o ADN de 15 mil pessoas

Há mais de um ano que está a ser criada a Estratégia Nacional para a Medicina Genómica, para contrariar a capacidade “praticamente inexistente” de ter medicina genómica em Portugal.

www.publico.pt

Its just a project, for now, i hope they can go far.

The interesting part

"Até chegarmos a este ponto, há ainda muitos passos para dar, um deles é a construção do “Genoma de Portugal”, um projecto para caracterizar a população portuguesa e a sua história a partir de 15 mil genomas – teremos 5% de genes do Leste asiático ou 10% do Norte de África?"

Probably both? 5% East Asian due to ANE?

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[Ponto]

There are agendas when it comes to Iberia, Italy and Greece. You get it all the time, it is here too. The fact that Ashkenazi Jews happen to be similar to Southern Italians, and Greek Islanders is interpreted to show that Southern Europeans and Greek Islanders are Middle Eastern halfbreeds. It doesn't matter that the Europeans have a lot of Neolithic ancestry from Anatolia thousands of years ago, and the Jews have Levantine ancestry which is similar to Anatolian farmer ancestry due to the mixing of Anatolian farmers, Iran farmers and CHG type ancestry in the Levant, and that the Jews have Italian ancestry. There is also a bias that the genetic similarity is due to movements to Europe, and negating the movement of Europeans to North Africa and the Near East over thousands of years. There is a lot of bias in many hypotheses about the movement of peoples from North Africa, Black Africa and the Near East since the late Bronze Age.
Anyway you all are pushing shit uphill trying to change these beliefs, they are too entrenched especially about the ancestry of Southern Europeans.

 

[Marshall Ted]

There are agendas when it comes to Iberia, Italy and Greece. You get it all the time, it is here too. The fact that Ashkenazi Jews happen to be similar to Southern Italians, and Greek Islanders is interpreted to show that Southern Europeans and Greek Islanders are Middle Eastern halfbreeds. It doesn't matter that the Europeans have a lot of Neolithic ancestry from Anatolia thousands of years ago, and the Jews have Levantine ancestry which is similar to Anatolian farmer ancestry due to the mixing of Anatolian farmers, Iran farmers and CHG type ancestry in the Levant, and that the Jews have Italian ancestry. There is also a bias that the genetic similarity is due to movements to Europe, and negating the movement of Europeans to North Africa and the Near East over thousands of years. There is a lot of bias in many hypotheses about the movement of peoples from North Africa, Black Africa and the Near East since the late Bronze Age.
Anyway you all are pushing shit uphill trying to change these beliefs, they are too entrenched especially about the ancestry of Southern Europeans.

Why nobody creates agendas against Northern Euros? its possibly to troll them, specially for having highest level of castizo-like ancient component XD.

 

[Ponto]

The interesting part

"Até chegarmos a este ponto, há ainda muitos passos para dar, um deles é a construção do “Genoma de Portugal”, um projecto para caracterizar a população portuguesa e a sua história a partir de 15 mil genomas – teremos 5% de genes do Leste asiático ou 10% do Norte de África?"

Probably both? 5% East Asian due to ANE?

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It is saying: Will we have... It is just postulating.

 

[idklolimo]

castizo-like ancient component

Which? ANE? WHG?

 

[Ponto]

Why nobody creates agendas against Northern Euros? its possibly to troll them, specially for having highest level of castizo-like ancient component XD.

Simple. They have the features that many people desire. Tall, light skinned, hair lighter than black, eyes lighter than dark brown, smaller noses usually... Even in Southern Europe that is what is desired. There have been things said about Finns, Carl von Linne considered them to be Mongoloids.

 

[Marshall Ted]

Simple. They have the features that many people desire. Tall, light skinned, hair lighter than black, eyes lighter than dark brown, smaller noses usually... Even in Southern Europe that is what is desired. There have been things said about Finns, Carl von Linne considered them to be Mongoloids.

Thats an interesting phenomenon, i suppose it has originated from anglo hegemony in modern-day western world.

 

[Marshall Ted]

ANE?

Sure.

 

[Nassbean]

trying to assimilate your people with my ancestors.

You confuse me with another member or else provide evidence of me doing such thing. Like I said why would there be an agenda about the timeframe in which the admixture event occured ? Whether roman or medieval it doesn't matter.