how ancients (CHG , Iran N , Anatolia N etc) likely looked like

[Kurdquistador]

well i doubt that those iranians have their darkness from iran neos tbh

i think iran n was "olive" skinned . not "light" but also not "dark"

if iran n was dark then we kurds would not look like this :

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[Kurdquistador]

if Iran N were dark then we would be a lot darker

we have more Iran N than most nearby ethnic groups

 

[ImHere]

Well you turkey kurds have extra anatolian admixture compared to decent amount of western iranians, which is also why on gedmatch calcs turkey kurds gets more "med" than iranians do).


I cant see why those western iranians should be darker for any other reasons? Their pre-aryan ancestors should be lighter in comparison to the neolithic iranians being a mix of Iran N and some middleeastern farmer ancestors with extra anatolian admix. Then mix those pre-aryans with aryans of central asia who should resembles pamiris the most, who are rarely dark(and oddly and ironically enough, its harder to find south asian looking people amongst them than even amongst persians of Isfahan). Yet some iranians in western parts can be REALLY dark

 

[Kurdquistador]

Well you turkey kurds have extra anatolian admixture compared to decent amount of western iranians, which is also why on gedmatch calcs turkey kurds gets more "med" than iranians do).


I cant see why those western iranians should be darker for any other reasons? Their pre-aryan ancestors should be lighter in comparison to the neolithic iranians being a mix of Iran N and some middleeastern farmer ancestors with extra anatolian admix. Then mix those pre-aryans with aryans of central asia who should resembles pamiris the most, who are rarely dark(and oddly and ironically enough, its harder to find south asian looking people amongst them than even amongst persians of Isfahan). Yet some iranians in western parts can be REALLY dark

but regardless of us having more barcin we still have a lot of iran neo . and if iran neo was responsible for those iranians being dark then we would be a lot darker

i will explain why it is not possible tomorrow

 

[Kurdquistador]

the problem is that you and me are talking about different tools . i am using G25

 

[Kurdquistador]

well first of all we have to stop talking as if iranians in general are very dark people lol 😃 some are ....but many are just like other northern west asians

is there any calculator that you think is at least somewhat accurate ?

because if we go by G25 then kurds ave 33% Iran N and 17% CHG

 

[Kurdquistador]

ok but regardless of you not liking the calculators and even if they are amateurish ....is there any calculator that you say is at least "okay" ?

 

[ImHere]

but regardless of us having more barcin we still have a lot of iran neo . and if iran neo was responsible for those iranians being dark then we would be a lot darker

i will explain why it is not possible tomorrow

Im not saying all of neolithics were darker over all. I said a minority likely were, and someone had some old analytical tool to analyse neolithics being REALLY DARK, similiar to western hunter gatherers in Europe, despite being mostly west eurasian.


I didnt say most west iranians are dark, but some are dark. And that "some" is significantly higher than compared to darker people in Turkey.


Kurds have slightly less iran N + slightly more Barcin N, producing less darker types to almost none(i did see on dark skinned kurd from turkey though) in comparison to iranians.
Of course kurds wont be able to produce such types. THeir neolithic ancestors mingled with some other middleeasterne farmers(obvs lighter), creating iran C(hajji firuz C, seh gab c and other more) and then there were the aryans. THen on top of that, kurds in Turkey likely mingled with some more anatolian rich populations, making them slightly more similiar looking to their western neighbors in comparison to their eastern neighbors.

THe iranians simply overall have more(little more) input from Iran N, being able to create some more darker types. THats just it. Nothing more to it.

 

[Kurdquistador]

@Guti

please reply to my questions

1. show us how you think Iran N and CHG looked liked

2. which calculator do younthink despite being amateurish is still decent ?

edit : oh you already answered nr.2

 

[Kurdquistador]

Im not saying all of neolithics were darker over all. I said a minority likely were, and someone had some old analytical tool to analyse neolithics being REALLY DARK, similiar to western hunter gatherers in Europe, despite being mostly west eurasian.


I didnt say most west iranians are dark, but some are dark. And that "some" is significantly higher than compared to darker people in Turkey.


Kurds have slightly less iran N + slightly more Barcin N, producing less darker types to almost none(i did see on dark skinned kurd from turkey though) in comparison to iranians.
Of course kurds wont be able to produce such types. THeir neolithic ancestors mingled with some other middleeasterne farmers(obvs lighter), creating iran C(hajji firuz C, seh gab c and other more) and then there were the aryans. THen on top of that, kurds in Turkey likely mingled with some more anatolian rich populations, making them slightly more similiar looking to their western neighbors in comparison to their eastern neighbors.

THe iranians simply overall have more(little more) input from Iran N, being able to create some more darker types. THats just it. Nothing more to it.

this doesnt sound likely . iranians have only a little more iran neo than us . and mazandaranis have the highest score from all iranians but are some of the lightest iranians

again : if iran neo were as dark to be responsible for those (relatively) very dark iranians then we kurds would be a lot darker too and having a little less iran neo wouldnt be enough to "hinder" that .

also what do you mean by "very dark turkey kurd " . i would like to see what you mean

anyway i think (some ?) iranians simply have some admix from south asia and arabia thats why they have such exotics . PLUS the reasons you gave regarding us having more Barcin etc

 

[ImHere]

this doesnt sound likely . iranians have only a little more iran neo than us . and mazandaranis have the highest score from all iranians but are some of the lightest iranians

again : if iran neo were as dark to be responsible for those (relatively) very dark iranians then we kurds would be a lot darker too and having a little less iran neo wouldnt be enough to "hinder" that .

also what do you mean by "very dark turkey kurd " . i would like to see what you mean

anyway i think (some ?) iranians simply have some admix from south asia and arabia thats why they have such exotics . PLUS the reasons you gave regarding us having more Barcin etc

But thats the thing, the iranians im refering to dont happen to have that extra south asian or any other ancestry. I seen some myself. And apparently i seen some relatively dark turkey kurds even that i didnt even realise were dark recently, like that tunceli kurd recently that you said look familiar, when i made that thread with guessing the south aisan looking people in the collage(i can try post those darker kurds if you want)

Mazandaranis have the lightest, but they also have a decent amount of darker people. If you seen the mazandarani collage i made, you can see some pretty dark iranians




Also kurds in Turkey likely didnt recieve their extra anatolian from pure anatolian N folks, but some rich anatolian N folks in Turkey(likely clustering around assyrians and armenians, but perhaps more shifted towards kurds in comparison to former), who likely were quiet light overall, increasing the light skinned genes in turkey kurds, that many iranians lack(also making them look more similiar to turkish folks). This means some iranians have more possibility of being darker due to higher amount of darker skin genes from Iran N and less lighter skin genes. Thats why you can find more darker skinned people in western Iran, despite there not being much a difference between turke kurds and west iranians. Also why apparently western iranians even look different for you.

 

[Kurdquistador]

bro we are talking aside of each other haha 😄

i will reply later in detail .

i like discussing with you

 

[Kurdquistador]

But thats the thing, the iranians im refering to dont happen to have that extra south asian or any other ancestry. I seen some myself. And apparently i seen some relatively dark turkey kurds even that i didnt even realise were dark recently, like that tunceli kurd recently that you said look familiar, when i made that thread with guessing the south aisan looking people in the collage(i can try post those darker kurds if you want)

Mazandaranis have the lightest, but they also have a decent amount of darker people. If you seen the mazandarani collage i made, you can see some pretty dark iranians




Also kurds in Turkey likely didnt recieve their extra anatolian from pure anatolian N folks, but some rich anatolian N folks in Turkey(likely clustering around assyrians and armenians, but perhaps more shifted towards kurds in comparison to former), who likely were quiet light overall, increasing the light skinned genes in turkey kurds, that many iranians lack(also making them look more similiar to turkish folks). This means some iranians have more possibility of being darker due to higher amount of darker skin genes from Iran N and less lighter skin genes. Thats why you can find more darker skinned people in western Iran, despite there not being much a difference between turke kurds and west iranians. Also why apparently western iranians even look different for you.

the problem is that we dont know the ethnic history of those darker west iranians . and we also should never forget gypsy possibilities etc

again : if iran neo was responsible we would be a lot darker regardless of us having more ANF etc. because we score more iran neo than most people nearby but ee sre not darker than assyrians and armenians for example

can you post those darker kurds ?

i am on phone btw. thats why i post short

 

[Kurdquistador]

i agree that sssyrians are a little darker . but not armenians

assyrians always try to darkwash us btw. lol

nothing wrong with being dark . absolutely nothing . as if a humans worth is determined by his color lol what a nonsense . and to be honest i find swarthier people often better looking than light ones but anyway ...

but the truth is that if anything then assyrians are darker than us and not the other way around . they have not onöy more southwest asian than us but we have EHG thst they dont have and we score north euro stuff on gedmatch and also more west european for example on eurogenes k12b etc. than them

 

[Kurdquistador]

dont you know that levantines are eastern italians in these forums though ?

people think levantines are lighter than kurds and that kurds are the darkest people in the area . we are one of the most heavily darkwashed ethnicities . it is really weird 😄

 

[ImHere]

the problem is that we dont know the ethnic history of those darker west iranians . and we also should never forget gypsy possibilities etc

again : if iran neo was responsible we would be a lot darker regardless of us having more ANF etc. because we score more iran neo than most people nearby but ee sre not darker than assyrians and armenians for example

can you post those darker kurds ?

i am on phone btw. thats why i post short

lol, i literally got DNA results of darker skinned iranians not showing gypsie ancestry

Accusing every single darker iranian, specially from around northwest iran, having gypsie ancestry/indian is a bit ridicolous.

I dont understand why you should be much darker, just because some neolithic iranians were dark and had "dark skin genes" in them)?

I argued some of them had, not all. And those neolithic would be the reason why SOME west iranians are darker, not that they should make every single west iranian darker, just like they shouldnt make kurds much darker, when kurds already mingled with native populations of Turkey, which is why you also say you look more similiar to turkish people than anyone else.

You, unlike the iranians, have mingled with more anatolian N rich populations, meaning you have more genes creating lighter skinned people(everything isnt just about dna admixture when it comes to appearence) and less darker skinned people. And there arent even that many darker skinned west iranians.





You perhaps have more darker skinned people than rest of non-gypsie admixed Turkey, albeit only a bit more.


Sure, i will post those darker kurds soon

 

[Kurdquistador]

i will reply later to your posts in more detail

but just one thing for now : i didnt mean that dark iranians have to be gypsy / mixed . i believe you that you have the gedmatch results of some dark iranians . what i am saying is that we can not exclude the possibility that some of the dark west iranians are gypsies or mixed people . for us kurds i can tell you that this is definitely the case . as i already explained in the gypsy thread

you know the problem is that we can not know the family history of people lol

but i would like to see the gedmatch result and also pics of those iranians you talk about . just out of curiousity

oh and btw. . DNA is not the only thing responsible for looks and pigmentation

 

[Kurdquistador]

more examples of what i personally think Iran Neo probably vaguely looked like

baloch guys

 

[Kurdquistador]

this baloch leader is probably also a good approx for Iran N

 

[Kurdquistador]

there is a reconstruction of KOTIAS CHG and Ganj Dareh N (Iran N) on ancestralwhispers where they do many hypothetical reconstructions

this is KOTIAS CHG :

this is Ganj Dareh N

this is the eurogenes k12b result for KOTIAS

this is the eurogenes k12b for Ganj Dareh N

i think G25 is a scam to be honest . it doesnt make sense . on G25 only georgians , abkhasians , and maybe adyghe get a lot of CHG . even north caucasians dont get as much as they should . and especially us other northern west asians get way too little . according to G25 i am around 11-12% CHG yet ...


this is my own result on eurogenes k12b :

bullshit . compare my results with CHG and Iran N above . i am way closer to CHG than to Iran N

also me :

anyway i found a georgian guy who looks like CHG . i think CHG looked like him , not only does he score a lot of "caucasus" but he also looks similar to the reconstruction lol . he is either western georgian (like mingrelian) or abkhasian . but i think he is georgian not abkhasian

his eurogenes k12b results

him :

KOTIAS reconstruction again :