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my victim complex ? thats not okay to say . i didnt say something against you . i am just saying that he didnt say anything offensive
you seem to take offense that he calls you dravidian or punjabis . ok but you yourself always say that afghans are south asians and that they are like punjabis . i always disagreed with you on that even . so i dont understand why it bothers you now when he says that
He calls us copies of punjabis. I didnt do that. He clearly tries to insults us.
Listen, i wasnt even trying to insult you. You REALLY do have some victim complex. You see some few people and idiot indians on anthroforums/youtube say how kurds looks south asian, you act like shitton of people are convinced kurds are full blown south asians, and then you try to prove them otherwise(which i dont see anything wrong with). You occassionally go like "Ugh, people say we lookz indians. We DONTZ! WE DONTZ!". You even thought i was triggered by guti by saying afghans and kurds arent clones.
Its just some few dumb assholes who do that, and they probably dont even mean that. But yet you still care what they say even after years. You do know you can just ignore the dumbass minority? I already dont give much a shit about what guti says, because i know he's strongly autistic.
nah wait a minute . thats not true . first of all it is not just " a few idiots" .....there have been a lot of south asians online who say stupid stuff about my ethnicity and who try to make kurds south asian like and also who try to link themselves to us . it is not just a couple of people otherwise i would not bother . and they also often trolled me and my people on top of it and even insulted me in a sneaky way etc. . i will not forget that
furthermore it is not just south asians who think like that . many people of various ethnicities have this false idea of kurds and i am only correcting it because it is just not true . i am posting a million kurdish faces and genetic results and also explain things and tell about things people dont even know (our gypsies for example) etc. etc. .
i dont see a reason why i should keep the wrong anthromyths about kurds being alive . we dont look south asian , we are not south asian , we dont cluster with south asians , we are geographically very far from south asians etc etc. . and i proved all this (not that there would be any need to prove an obvious fact to anybody who is not a complete idiot) . my fingers have become numb from all this shit
this is not a "victim complex" . i am only correcting wrong anthromyths about my ethnicity nothing more . also it is fun to me too because i like to analyze things and i like taxonomy and genetics . i dont even want to offend anybody either
nah wait a minute . thats not true . first of all it is not just " a few idiots" .....there have been a lot of south asians online who say stupid stuff about my ethnicity and who try to make kurds south asian like and also who try to link themselves to us . it is not just a couple of people otherwise i would not bother . and they also often trolled me and my people on top of it and even insulted me in a sneaky way etc. . i will not forget that
furthermore it is not just south asians who think like that . many people of various ethnicities have this false idea of kurds and i am only correcting it because it is just not true . i am posting a million kurdish faces and genetic results and also explain things and tell about things people dont even know (our gypsies for example) etc. etc. .
i dont see a reason why i should keep the wrong anthromyths about kurds being alive . we dont look south asian , we are not south asian , we dont cluster with south asians , we are geographically very far from south asians etc etc. . and i proved all this (not that there would be any need to prove an obvious fact to anybody who is not a complete idiot) . my fingers have become numb from all this shit
this is not a "victim complex" . i am only correcting wrong anthromyths about my ethnicity nothing more . also it is fun to me too because i like to analyze things and i like taxonomy and genetics . i dont even want to offend anybody either
Can you show me MANY people thinking that outside anthroforums? You can show me examples on anthroforums as well.
South asians are another story. I bet most of them were indians. And honestly, its a common thing on the internet. THey claim everything as indian. Pretty sure lots of people learned with time that internet indians are just a bunch of annoying goofbags youre meant to laugh at
well a lot of it was on anthroscape which is down now , also many on quora , on youtube , on theapricity in the past too , even on anthrogenica
i would need to gather everything together and it would be too much work . you can trust me that i am not doing this stuff for nothing . if it was only a few people who are either unknowledged or just idiots who claim such stuff i would not say anything . especially since south asians are humans like anybody else . why would i be offended if a few people said that we are like south asians ? .....the problem is that my ethnicity has become something which it is not . it is like calling an orange an apple and to sell it to people as oranges . it is just not right
a polish guy on theapricity once tried to link kurds and poles and i also told him that it is bullshit and that we have nothing to do with poles . i am an honest person
oh and dont forget all the turks who talk bullshit about us . they spread the nonsense all over the place . they are one of the worst when it comes to misportraying kurds . for obvious reasons
well a lot of it was on anthroscape which is down now , also many on quora , on youtube , on theapricity in the past too , even on anthrogenica
i would need to gather everything together and it would be too much work . you can trust me that i am not doing this stuff for nothing . if it was only a few people who are either unknowledged or just idiots who claim such stuff i would not say anything . especially since south asians are humans like anybody else . why would i be offended if a few people said that we are like south asians ? .....the problem is that my ethnicity has become something which it is not . it is like calling an orange an apple and to sell it to people as oranges . it is just not right
a polish guy on theapricity once tried to link kurds and poles and i also told him that it is bullshit and that we have nothing to do with poles . i am an honest person
oh and dont forget all the turks who talk bullshit about us . they spread the nonsense all over the place . they are one of the worst when it comes to misportraying kurds . for obvious reasons
TUrks are nothing new. THis is just how people from same nationalities react towards each other. I know myself, since i have experience myself.
Quora is FILLED with indians, so im 100% sure your examples are gonna be mostly indians there. Also youtub too. But quora and youtube are filled with dumbasses even without indians.
I would like to see examples with anthrogenica however. Theapricity examples are either nationalist turks, insecure euros(mostly southern ones), some few dumbass afghans and then indians. And yet im 100% sure majority of TA arent like that. Only a dumbass minority
i can not show you the ones from AG since i am banned there and i also dont want to name people from there here
and yes it is often indians . especially / more so north indians . they are delusional as fuck
and yes you say it yourself .....combine all those people together .....turks , ignorant euros who believe in the myths about kurds or who just dont know anything about kurds and say nonsense , indians , afghans like owight gavnah or myanthropologies or the barnacle or avicenna , pakistanis (they do this less than indians though) . combine them all and it is not just " a few idiots" at all . it is a lot of people
trust me my ethnicity has been misportrayed so much it is actually insane . and since we are on an anthroforum i like to point this fact out and i like to correct it
i have seen many people in forums claim that kurds and afghans look alike .
people seem to think that because both groups are iranic speakers that this means that we look alike . but that is nonsense . there is no such thing as "iranic look" to begin with since the iranic speakers are many different ethnic groups with many differences . for example yagnobis are iranic , balochis are iranic . tell me how they look alike .
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It's fine to say that Iranics aren't all the same. Not all Arabs are the same, not all Turkic people are the same, and not all Iranic people are the same. That's a fair assessment. However, you project Iranic Afghans (Pashtuns, Tajiks) as being much further away from Kurds in looks, culture, and even genetics than they actually are. It's fair to say that on average, most Kurds and most Afghans don't look the same, because they don't, but why do you get SO worked up over people comparing Kurds to Iranic Afghans but not people comparing Kurds to North Caucasus people or Balkanites, whom they look equally as different from (if not more, in the case of Balkanites)? Where's the "Kurds and Bulgarians DO NOT look alike" thread? I'm not trying to troll or provoke you, I'm just curious to know why you only seem offended when Kurds are compared with ethnic groups that reside east and south of them (even people as proximal as Iranian Persians) rather than those that live west and north of them? Iranic Afghans and Kurds obviously don't look the same overall, there's far too many Med types among Kurds and a few Arabid-looking types that are less common among Iranic Afghans, but both Iranic Afghans and Kurds have a shit ton of people who look like Iranian Persians, as well as a significant amount of people who look like people from the Kavkaz region. They overlap a lot in this regard.
They don't have a shitton of AASI. Their AASI DNA is only in the vicinity of 5-10%, with the average being around 8%. That's less than the amount of SSA many Palestinians and Jordanians get.
You clearly don't know how to interpret ADMIXTURE and these genetic calculators. Those fits were extremely poor. Using the same logic, you are 9% SSA (41% of iam_5_N_Africa) and 9% Andamanese:
This is actually half true. Kurds don't have a lot of EEF DNA itself, they have a lot of East Med DNA--which is partially EEF, and Afghans do have a lot less of it. This is actually the LARGEST reason Afghans don't cluster closer to Kurds.
afghans are genetically pretty far from us . just for the record we are comfortably closer to greeks , albanians , south italians , bulgarians than to afghans . if you dont believe me i can show you
Except you're not at all. You're just as far from some Afghans as you are from Balkan Turks, let alone people actually from the Balkans. You get owight-Gavnah coming up closer to you on K13 G25 than even Sicilians/Southern Italians and Cretan Greeks, and you are just as close to many Afghans as you are to some West Asians like some Palestinians and some Cypriots. You're just as close to Afghans as you are to some North Caucasians, but you don't mind being compared to North Caucasus people at all. The other two Afghans (Henry007 and Myanthropologies) come up much closer on the list than virtually all Balkan TA members do, and they're roughly equally as close to you as Southern Italians and Ashkenazi Jews are.
What's even more interesting is that if we completely remove Owight's South Asian DNA and replace it with extra Caucasus/West Asian DNA, he gets even FURTHER from you than before, not closer:
When we completely take Owight's Northeastern European DNA out and replace it with extra East Med DNA but keep his S. Asian DNA at the same level, he moves A LOT closer to you. Closer to you than even the Lebanese:
If anything, the South Asian is shifting them away from clustering with the North Caucasus.
Here's as they are now to a Chechen:
to an Avar:
If we take out South Asian and leave the rest, they're North Caucasians. They are too steppe shifted and med/natufian deprived to cluster with Kurds even without S. Asian DNA, and even with it, those two things are a much larger reason Afghans don't cluster with Kurds as is:
You are using individual Kurdish photos, many of which consist of women who probably live in western countries, are out of the sun, and some of whom clearly have dyed hair and colored contacts. The Afghan footballers are very suntanned and extremely cosmopolitan given the diversity of the country, and there are no Kurdish footballers to compare them to. People often compare rural villager Afghans to westernized MENAs, totally unfair. Kurdish villagers look extremely dark compared to the people you post as well.
And even the people you posted don't look as radically different from these people as you make them out to be. They look different overall, but it's not like Kurds overall look closer to people from the Balkans than they do to these Afghans:
Listen, im afghan too.
But to be honest, there arent very many people comparing kurds to bulgarians and such. Europeans on anthroforums are very insecure and triggered about being compared to west asians.
Also, im gonna take any models with AASI with a grant of salt, including hadoukens. Reason is that the AASI component itself isnt real, since its basically a simulation and we dont have a real one.
On the other hand we do have indus valley civilisation references. Specially one of them from south east iran(Zabol), which is really close to dalits. When afghans gets modelled with that indus farmer sample, they get whats around 10% to almost 40%(if we exclude turkics, but includes everyone from Herat to Nangarhar), while kurds barely gets more than 3% IVC and usually 2-1%(from their central asian ancestors).
Pashtuns seems to get between 20-40% IVC themselves, with 27% being very common(i myself get around 21%).
Punjabis gets around 42-57%, with 48% being most common.
It's fine to say that Iranics aren't all the same. Not all Arabs are the same, not all Turkic people are the same, and not all Iranic people are the same. That's a fair assessment. However, you project Iranic Afghans (Pashtuns, Tajiks) as being much further away from Kurds in looks, culture, and even genetics than they actually are. It's fair to say that on average, most Kurds and most Afghans don't look the same, because they don't, but why do you get SO worked up over people comparing Kurds to Iranic Afghans but not people comparing Kurds to North Caucasus people or Balkanites, whom they look equally as different from (if not more, in the case of Balkanites)? Where's the "Kurds and Bulgarians DO NOT look alike" thread? I'm not trying to troll or provoke you, I'm just curious to know why you only seem offended when Kurds are compared with ethnic groups that reside east and south of them (even people as proximal as Iranian Persians) rather than those that live west and north of them? Iranic Afghans and Kurds obviously don't look the same overall, there's far too many Med types among Kurds and a few Arabid-looking types that are less common among Iranic Afghans, but both Iranic Afghans and Kurds have a shit ton of people who look like Iranian Persians, as well as a significant amount of people who look like people from the Kavkaz region. They overlap a lot in this regard.
why should i do a "kurds and bulgarians do not look alike" thread ? there are not enough people linking us to bulgarians . but there are way too many people wrongly assuming and saying often that kurds and afghans look similar even though we do NOT
anybody with 2 functioning eyes can see this . they only link us because we are iranic speakers
this has nothing to do with being offended . i just dont see the point of saying ok to something which is not true . i am not a conformist . i will not shout out the nonsense only because people assume it is true when it is not
many persians dont look kurdish either btw. . but thats another matter
They don't have a shitton of AASI. Their AASI DNA is only in the vicinity of 5-10%, with the average being around 8%. That's less than the amount of SSA many Palestinians and Jordanians get.
You clearly don't know how to interpret ADMIXTURE and these genetic calculators. Those fits were extremely poor. Using the same logic, you are 9% SSA (41% of iam_5_N_Africa) and 9% Andamanese:
This is actually half true. Kurds don't have a lot of EEF DNA itself, they have a lot of East Med DNA--which is partially EEF, and Afghans do have a lot less of it. This is actually the LARGEST reason Afghans don't cluster closer to Kurds.
by the way keep in mind that Levant N has a lot of barcin / anatolian farmer in it itself . when you use natufian to extract it the hidden anatolian farmer will be shown . this is the real mediterranean farmer we have :
and no that is not the only reason why you dont cluster with us . you have 17% aasi which we dont have . you have less CHG too . and of course a lot less anatolian farmer
Except you're not at all. You're just as far from some Afghans as you are from Balkan Turks, let alone people actually from the Balkans. You get owight-Gavnah coming up closer to you on K13 G25 than even Sicilians/Southern Italians and Cretan Greeks, and you are just as close to many Afghans as you are to some West Asians like some Palestinians and some Cypriots. You're just as close to Afghans as you are to some North Caucasians, but you don't mind being compared to North Caucasus people at all. The other two Afghans (Henry007 and Myanthropologies) come up much closer on the list than virtually all Balkan TA members do, and they're roughly equally as close to you as Southern Italians and Ashkenazi Jews are.
these are all the ethnicities i am closer to before pashtuns which i circled . you will have to scroll way down to see =) lol . look at all the ethnic groups i am closer to . i made it some months ago btw. . i can do a new one with the balkan turkish samples in them . which i am at a distance of 10.7 . so also comfortably closer than pashtuns lel
What's even more interesting is that if we completely remove Owight's South Asian DNA and replace it with extra Caucasus/West Asian DNA, he gets even FURTHER from you than before, not closer:
When we completely take Owight's Northeastern European DNA out and replace it with extra East Med DNA but keep his S. Asian DNA at the same level, he moves A LOT closer to you. Closer to you than even the Lebanese:
You are using individual Kurdish photos, many of which consist of women who probably live in western countries, are out of the sun, and some of whom clearly have dyed hair and colored contacts. The Afghan footballers are very suntanned and extremely cosmopolitan given the diversity of the country, and there are no Kurdish footballers to compare them to. People often compare rural villager Afghans to westernized MENAs, totally unfair. Kurdish villagers look extremely dark compared to the people you post as well.
And even the people you posted don't look as radically different from these people as you make them out to be. They look different overall, but it's not like Kurds overall look closer to people from the Balkans than they do to these Afghans:
i have posted many group pics and group videos too you fucking imbecile . you better not try to accuse me of cherrypicking kurds . you better dont . it is an audacity to accuse me of cherrypicking 100000 kurds . no dude sorry . my gallery is very representative . i post many individual pics because they show people more clearly . and because many of the people are known people too . but i also post a lot of group pics and videos .
most of the women have not dyed hair or contacts you dumbfuck . and the ones who do just do it because they are women and women do such stuff . but they are not picked by me because of that . and i didnt post afghan females because i just took the pics from a thread of avicenna on TA . otherwise i can post afghan females too along with them no problem . it wont change anything
suntanned or not . doesnt matter . the afghans have different facial features . and yes they DO look very different from the kurds . sorry . it is clearly to see
Listen, im afghan too.
But to be honest, there arent very many people comparing kurds to bulgarians and such. Europeans on anthroforums are very insecure and triggered about being compared to west asians.
Also, im gonna take any models with AASI with a grant of salt, including hadoukens. Reason is that the AASI component itself isnt real, since its basically a simulation and we dont have a real one.
On the other hand we do have indus valley civilisation references. Specially one of them from south east iran(Zabol), which is really close to dalits. When afghans gets modelled with that indus farmer sample, they get whats around 10% to almost 40%(if we exclude turkics, but includes everyone from Herat to Nangarhar), while kurds barely gets more than 3% IVC and usually 2-1%(from their central asian ancestors).
Pashtuns seems to get between 20-40% IVC themselves, with 27% being very common(i myself get around 21%).
Punjabis gets around 42-57%, with 48% being most common.
AASI isn't a real component, and several genetic studies have even come to the conclusion that it isn't a single component, but rather multiple strains of ancestry, and that the type of AASI in different South Asian populations is different. But AASI probably wasn't as foreign to Eurasia as we think it was. Some Paleolithic European samples like Gravettians and Magadalenians score 15-25% ASI DNA, and even Iranian Neolithic and BMAC can be modeled as partially AASI. It was probably just a mixture of various Basal Eurasian streams. If we were to go off the amount of AASI Iranian Neolithic scores and BMAC, that would put Afghans at more than 1/3 AASI, and the most NW shifted South Asians at 50% AASI, which is obviously ridiculous and goes completely against what academics have said in their papers about "ANI" peaking at 90-97% in the most NW shifted S. Asian pops.
Again, people overinterpret admxiture. I could make a component that maximizes English and Japanese DNA, and that would get English and Japanese people to both score it, and they'd cluster with each other as a result. People can manipulate PCA and admixture to make them show exactly what they want it show them. Pashtun DNA is likely stratified among tribes and not geographic location. Lots of people on the internet suggest that northeastern Afghans are closer to Punjabis because of their location, but they don't even border Punjabi territory, and Pakistan was born out of massive population exchanges and demographic shifts in 1947, and the vast majority of the Punjabis living near NE Afghanistan were living further south in modern-day India before 1947. Several Pashtun tribes residing in that region and KPK only migrated from further north or west in the last 100 years as well. Where people live today is irrelevant. Also, the Afghans who do have a "S. Asian" shift mostly have ancestry from Dardic-like people such as Nuristanis, and admixture calculators are extremely terrible for populations as isolated as Dards or anyone who has ancestry from them.
Terms like "West Asian," "South Asian," "European," etc aren't discrete and they're meaningless when it comes to Afghans, who clearly form their own clustering with Pamiris/Yaghnobis/Northern Dardics and don't neatly fit in any category. We can call Afghans "South-Central Asians," but at the end of the day they're still genetically closer to North Caucasians than Levantines, other Arabs, Iranians, and even Kurds are (for some of the N. Caucasus groups). Many Eastern Iranians, Southeastern Iranians, and Mazandaranis shift towards them as well.
And even the people you posted don't look as radically different from these people as you make them out to be. They look different overall, but it's not like Kurds overall look closer to people from the Balkans than they do to these Afghans:
these people in the videos dont look kurdish either . and NO they dont look closer to kurds than south europeans / southeast europeans do
only some females in the videos look closer to us than southern euros do
for example (just one example out of many) look at the guy at 0:23 - 0:24 on left in the first video . if you really think he looks similar to kurds then you are just in a world of delusions dude
AASI isn't a real component, and several genetic studies have even come to the conclusion that it isn't a single component, but rather multiple strains of ancestry, and that the type of AASI in different South Asian populations is different. But AASI probably wasn't as foreign to Eurasia as we think it was. Some Paleolithic European samples like Gravettians and Magadalenians score 15-25% ASI DNA, and even Iranian Neolithic and BMAC can be modeled as partially AASI. It was probably just a mixture of various Basal Eurasian streams. If we were to go off the amount of AASI Iranian Neolithic scores and BMAC, that would put Afghans at more than 1/3 AASI, and the most NW shifted South Asians at 50% AASI, which is obviously ridiculous and goes completely against what academics have said in their papers about "ANI" peaking at 90-97% in the most NW shifted S. Asian pops.
Again, people overinterpret admxiture. I could make a component that maximizes English and Japanese DNA, and that would get English and Japanese people to both score it, and they'd cluster with each other as a result. People can manipulate PCA and admixture to make them show exactly what they want it show them. Pashtun DNA is likely stratified among tribes and not geographic location. Lots of people on the internet suggest that northeastern Afghans are closer to Punjabis because of their location, but they don't even border Punjabi territory, and Pakistan was born out of massive population exchanges and demographic shifts in 1947, and the vast majority of the Punjabis living near NE Afghanistan were living further south in modern-day India before 1947. Several Pashtun tribes residing in that region and KPK only migrated from further north or west in the last 100 years as well. Where people live today is irrelevant. Also, the Afghans who do have a "S. Asian" shift mostly have ancestry from Dardic-like people such as Nuristanis, and admixture calculators are extremely terrible for populations as isolated as Dards or anyone who has ancestry from them.
Terms like "West Asian," "South Asian," "European," etc aren't discrete and they're meaningless when it comes to Afghans, who clearly form their own clustering with Pamiris/Yaghnobis/Northern Dardics and don't neatly fit in any category. We can call Afghans "South-Central Asians," but at the end of the day they're still genetically closer to North Caucasians than Levantines, other Arabs, Iranians, and even Kurds are (for some of the N. Caucasus groups). Many Eastern Iranians, Southeastern Iranians, and Mazandaranis shift towards them as well.
We dont even have an actual AASI component yet, so i take any model with "AASI" with a huge grant of salt.
Most modern day people living in areas like islamabad are just simply natives. Most indics living around there are natives, so its ridicolous to say otherwise.
Several pashtun tribes did migrate much later(but a decent amount of these mingled with natives, including ones from Nangarhar and such. The children having pashtun fathers still kept them being pashtuns), but then we also have pashtuns who migrated earlier centuries ago. Both pashtuns(or rather ones who been living in eastern areas for a quiet a time) and punjabis(and tajiks too + other natives living nearby) share similiar geneflow, since they descend not only from pre-aryan ancestors who lived nearby and shared admix(indus farmers + central asian farmers), we also had the aryan nomads migrating south to AFG and PAK(who were pretty similiar), meaning they both will have significant affinity with each other. Due to geography, punjabis just have more southeastn shift in contrast to their western neighbors.
Also, how are afghans genetically closer to north caucasians than to iranians? I think you mean autosomally, but ancestrially wise we're closer to all iranians and even some assyrians, since they can have some central asian aryan ancestry unlike most north caucasians, excluding ossetians.
aasi is south eurasian . the aasi i have used peak in south indian tribals and the pashtuns score 17-19 % of it . PERIOD
Iran N is around 6% aasi using gedmatch . and it is 10% AASI COMPARED TO CHG . but thats it . it has otherwise nothing to do with aasi . it is just that it shift a little bit in the AASI direction compared to CHG . but it is still very far from AASI
aasi is south eurasian . the aasi i have used peak in south indian tribals and the pashtuns score 17-19 % of it . PERIOD
Iran N is around 6% aasi using gedmatch . and it is 10% AASI COMPARED TO CHG . but thats it . it has otherwise nothing to do with aasi . it is just that it shift a little bit in the AASI direction compared to CHG . but it is still very far from AASI
Dude, we dont have AN ACTUAL AASI component. The AASI in g25 is rather a simulation, not the real thing. We dont really know how south eurasian the iran n itself is.
Second model is garbage. The same distance the tarkalani gets to the paniya/kurdish mix is the same distance i get to the most distant yagnobi sample, the ones that gets around 6-8% east eurasian + obvs lower south eurasian + higher aryan ancestry + additional west asian ancestry.
But, i get your point. It shows the south asian shift of the KPK pashtun, which is simply just fact though.
Im by example slightly closer to many avars and even signficantly closer to some other north caucasians like outlier tabassarans than to a turkey kurd like you.
But ancestrially wise its another story
Second model is garbage. The same distance the tarkalani gets to the paniya/kurdish mix is the same distance i get to the most distant yagnobi sample, the ones that gets around 6-8% east eurasian + obvs lower south eurasian + higher aryan ancestry + additional west asian ancestry.
But, i get your point. It shows the south asian shift of the KPK pashtun, which is simply just fact though.
