Why do people think that Spaniards are Roman or Moorish descendants

[Ponto]

Thats an interesting phenomenon, i suppose it has originated from anglo hegemony in modern-day western world.

Are you sure? Isn't there a story about a Pope seeing Angle slave children, and saying that they looked like Angels. The Roman woman wore blond wigs. I think it has been around long before the modern Western world.

 

[idklolimo]

Western world.

In the earliest Indian Vedas it is mentioned that the Blonde Aryans are superior people lel

 

[Marshall Ted]

Are you sure? Isn't there a story about a Pope seeing Angle slave children, and saying that they looked like Angels. The Roman woman wore blond wigs. I think it has been around long before the modern Western world.

Ironically, blondism is inherent to ANE admixture.

"(...) according to geneticist David Reich, blond hair has ancient roots in Asia. The derived allele responsible for blond hair in Europeans likely evolved first among the Ancient North Eurasians." from Wikipedia, mentioning Mathieson et. al.

If its true, thus more blonde hair frequency == more ANE == more mongoloid.

 

[Jingle Bell The Baiano]

The interesting part

"Até chegarmos a este ponto, há ainda muitos passos para dar, um deles é a construção do “Genoma de Portugal”, um projecto para caracterizar a população portuguesa e a sua história a partir de 15 mil genomas – teremos 5% de genes do Leste asiático ou 10% do Norte de África?"

Probably both? 5% East Asian due to ANE?

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10% NA is ok, nothing new, but 5% Asian? I think ANE its too ancient to be listed as a source unlike modern NA, no idea honestly must be noise bcs S. Euros have less ANE than N. Euros, Portuguese only have 5% Asian compared to Neolithic ones, so no idea

 

[Ponto]

I think the East Asian 5% is a feeler to get people interested in that Genome of Portugal project. North Europeans have more Steppe herder ancestry than South Europeans, EHG is derived from ANE, and they form a major ancestry of the Steppe Herders. The SNP for blond hair was found in one of the Afontova Gora remains, they were ANE people. My guess, I have seen two reconstructions of ANE, is that they looked like Native Americans with large noses, and less Mongoloid facial features. The ANE weren't Mongoloid or Caucasoid but they contributed to both West Eurasians, and some East Eurasians. I would not atribute blondism, that is light pigmentation, blue eyes and blond hair to ANE but to the mixing of Neolithic farmers with hunter gatherers and then Steppe herders, that accelerated light pigmentation from the farmers and CHG, with blue eyes the WHG and blond hair from the descendants of ANE, the EHG. Southern Europeans are mostly Anatolian farmer ancestry with WHG ancestry and less Steppe herder ancestry, so blondism was not so successful.

 

[Jingle Bell The Baiano]

I think the East Asian 5% is a feeler to get people interested in that Genome of Portugal project. North Europeans have more Steppe herder ancestry than South Europeans, EHG is derived from ANE, and they form a major ancestry of the Steppe Herders. The SNP for blond hair was found in one of the Afontova Gora remains, they were ANE people. My guess, I have seen two reconstructions of ANE, is that they looked like Native Americans with large noses, and less Mongoloid facial features. The ANE weren't Mongoloid or Caucasoid but they contributed to both West Eurasians, and some East Eurasians. I would not atribute blondism, that is light pigmentation, blue eyes and blond hair to ANE but to the mixing of Neolithic farmers with hunter gatherers and then Steppe herders, that accelerated light pigmentation from the farmers and CHG, with blue eyes the WHG and blond hair from the descendants of ANE, the EHG. Southern Europeans are mostly Anatolian farmer ancestry with WHG ancestry and less Steppe herder ancestry, so blondism was not so successful.

Blondism was also present in Neolithic of N. Europe (FunnelBeaker) which prob means that at the same time ANE gets Blond and light eyed the farmers also did
Also i heard that Europe start get blond only in Iron Age, prob sexual selection idk

 

[Beowulf]

Blondism was also present in Neolithic of N. Europe (FunnelBeaker) which prob means that at the same time ANE gets Blond and light eyed the farmers also did
Also i heard that Europe start get blond only in Iron Age, prob sexual selection idk

The origin of the gene giving rise to blond hair color has been traced back to the last Ice Age 11,000 years ago. The extensive study on the genetic mutation was carried out by researchers at three Japanese universities; the research concluded that the genetic mutation occurred around 9,000 BC, as a result of various environmental and evolutionary factors.

Blond hair originated during the last Ice Age, some 11,000 years ago

 

[Ponto]

I am sure the remains Afontova Gora woman who carried the blond hair SNP was found in sediment dated to more than 16000 BC. In Europe before the Bronze Age there were Europeans who were lightly pigmented, blond haired and blue eyed amongst the darker majority, but lighter pigmentation started to be selected for after the Bronze Age but mostly in NW Europe.

 

[Ponto]

Back to the Iberians, the Spanish and Portuguese. I believe there is no definitive test available to me, that proves or disproves the amount of North African, sub Saharan or Roman ancestry in Iberians. I don't have the hardware or software to run qpAdm. My laptop has a hard time when I use G25 global, as it freezes. As for the papers on Iberians and their non European ancestry, you can take them or leave them. All I can tell you is that according to G25 global coordinates and calculator, Iberians as a whole,do do not have sub Saharan ancestry, do have small amounts of North African ancestry particularly the Portuguese and their linguistic cousins, the Galicians. As for Italian ancestry, the average Spaniard and the average North Italian have a small fixation index, so closely related.

 

[Hispania]

It is not the majority, but the spaniards are descendants of Romans and North Africans (culturally, Spain is almost 100% descendant of Rome).
Also keep in mind that the Romans were more similar to the Iberians than current Italians are now so this does not mean that spaniards descend from the current Italians.
The dark thing is more subjective, depends on what you consider dark. For me most Spaniards look completely white but that is my opinion. Iberians have a skin tone similar to that of the Italians

 

[Hanno]

Because some are. Although most are decendants of Native celts and iberians firstly. I have seen a new world dominican with a middle eastern Y dna. But on y full his tmrca to a spanish one is about 1100 years ago and then basically the ones before and the cousin lineages are mostly middle eastern.