White People & Their Self-Hatred

[Carlito's Way]

Anyone who views the reddit section of 23andMe and AncestryDNA have notice a trend going on
White people being unhappy when they come out pure European, and then there are those with Northern European ancestry wishing they had Southern European ancestry and being upset for not scoring much or any at all. They also over value their 0.1% non-European ancestry

there was a Reddit on the 23andMe section with this very same topic

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/i1dtdj

I do not know if white people do it because of so called white guilt, or because they have been condition to think being white is boring or being happy to be pure white is racist
or it can be all of those three theories, I just think it is dumb for them to think that way, I dont see pure black africans claiming their results are boring because they do not have non-black admixture

here are some example, as you will notice, this trend is more common among Northern European people or descendants

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/i7pid0

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/grumtc

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/f0v5xp

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/crfqtj

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/bwx6ak/my_boring_results_im_just_mayo_white_lol/

 

[Carlito's Way]

This South Park video has me laughing because its true
keep in mind that its not just white people with this issues, I have also seen Middle Eastern people being super happy when they score a bit of European ancestry especially Italian, if you didnt grow up with that European culture why even bother claiming it? makes no sense

I claim my black ancestry because I grew up in an afro-mexican household and I was raised in a diverse family
but if I wasnt raised in it, I wouldnt be claiming it the way I do, I would knowledge it but not so much consider myself black

 

[creed]

every one likes variety/diveristy and versatility to some extent, homogenity can be boring

 

[SavannahCatGiannis]

That’s weird. You rarely see a person with 98% anything and to see someone who’s 98% Northwestern European I think is pretty interesting.

I wonder where they are from, or where their ancestors came from specifically.

But really, what these people are displaying is not self-hate, it's racism, just a different manifestation of it: the belief that "white" is the "default" or "base model" human and hence "boring". Everybody else is "other" and hence "interesting".

 

[Carlito's Way]

That’s weird. You rarely see a person with 98% anything and to see someone who’s 98% Northwestern European I think is pretty interesting.

I wonder where they are from, or where their ancestors came from specifically.

But really, what these people are displaying is not self-hate, it's racism, just a different manifestation of it: the belief that "white" is the "default" or "base model" human and hence "boring". Everybody else is "other" and hence "interesting".

I didn't think of it that way but now that you mention it, it does seem like it especially because a lot of white people do think white is the default in particular in places like the USA

reminds me of the term people of color and how whiteness is the default
or minorities and white being the default

 

[Carlito's Way]

I think many MENA people in Europe want to be compared with South European mostly because of the stigma toward the MENA people.

What they don't understand is that there is nothing wrong with their ethnicity but rather with their backward Muslim/Islamic culture.

Islam is really very different from the Western culture and there is really no place for Islam in the Western world. But those people are to stupid to understand that and as long they practice Islam, there will be stigma on those people and they will be seen as backward and stupid people.

True, a lot of people do not have issues with MENA, their issue is with the religion that they practice (Islam)
Reminds me when I was arguing with Muslims from the Middle East when they were bashing Jews due to the appropriation of Shakshouka
They kept calling Shakshouka "part of muslim culture" and I just couldn't believe it, but this was in Tiktok so there is a lot of dumb little kids on there but also many dumb grown people who say stupid crap

MENA muslims think that just because they get bashed due to their religion, that means they are bashing all MENA people but its not like that

 

[SavannahCatGiannis]

I didn't think of it that way but now that you mention it, it does seem like it especially because a lot of white people do think white is the default in particular in places like the USA

reminds me of the term people of color and how whiteness is the default
or minorities and white being the default

What can I say? White supremacy is pretty pervasive.

And IMO, things like self-hate and "white guilt" work to keep it in place (despite the fact that overt white supremacists hate both).

I was about to say, but deleted it, that it might be somewhat normal for certain groups of white people to have self hate. Like, if you're a white English-speaking North American and a good person, I think it'd be somewhat normal to have self-hate considering what that particular group has done and continues to do to the world, but it's neither healthy nor productive so this should be discouraged. Of course, the self-hate and white guilt they exhibit is counterproductive, because instead of wallowing in self-hate, they should be going out into their communities and challenging their racist uncles and making the effort to change their culture, mentality, and politics. I know there are many who want to put in the work to do that, but I think the promotion of self-hate is by design, to prevent just that. Also, the fact that when they speak out they get death threats (especially if they're women) doesn't help.

 

[Carlito's Way]

What can I say? White supremacy is pretty pervasive.

And IMO, things like self-hate and "white guilt" work to keep it in place (despite the fact that overt white supremacists hate both).

I was about to say, but deleted it, that it might be somewhat normal for certain groups of white people to have self hate. Like, if you're a white English-speaking North American and a good person, I think it'd be somewhat normal to have self-hate considering what that particular group has done and continues to do to the world, but it's neither healthy nor productive so this should be discouraged. Of course, the self-hate and white guilt they exhibit is counterproductive, because instead of wallowing in self-hate, they should be going out into their communities and challenging their racist uncles and making the effort to change their culture, mentality, and politics. I know there are many who want to put in the work to do that, but I think the promotion of self-hate is by design, to prevent just that. Also, the fact that when they speak out they get death threats (especially if they're women) doesn't help.

how common would you say "white guilt" is in Canada?
a lot of white folks in America were being called out because they were using the BLM movement as a trend, it is sad that they do that, when black people still continue to fight against police brutality, meanwhile those white "supporters" have forgotten about the movement

I feel bad for white women who try their hardest to use their privilege to help minorities, because many of them are verbally attacked on social media and threaten with their lives and that is something I will never understand, how can people be against giving minorities basic human rights?

 

[SavannahCatGiannis]

how common would you say "white guilt" is in Canada?

Pretty common among Anglos.

a lot of white folks in America were being called out because they were using the BLM movement as a trend, it is sad that they do that, when black people still continue to fight against police brutality, meanwhile those white "supporters" have forgotten about the movement

But BLM being trendy is better than it being trendy to be alt-right, like it was back in 2016. Though I am seeing more of white guys coming into other leftist movements, because it's trendy, but they were Trumpers back in 2016 so I don't trust them and I don't think others should either (they get really mad when I point out they were all Trump supporters in 2016. Then they will say BLM people are "divisive" and say we have to talk about class (even though race and class are very much intertwined). They just want women and minorities to shut up.

I feel bad for white women who try their hardest to use their privilege to help minorities, because many of them are verbally attacked on social media and threaten with their lives and that is something I will never understand, how can people be against giving minorities basic human rights?

There was a website up for a while that had all the personal info of white women who supported these causes, pretty gross. Even my own mother got death threats once, because I spoke out against some racism going on in my local community. My mother had NOTHING to do with it, it was all me, I spoke my peace, but they want after my mother. Also got my share of death threats and at least one attempt on my life. This is par for the course, women have been killed for this.

As for people being against minorities (as well as women) having basic human rights, I think some people think it's a zero-sum game, so they will lose of minorities get rights, or minorities will oppress them or some shit (which is probably white guilt on their part, actually I say it's really right-wingers who have the white guilt, and that is why they are so obsessed with the prospect of minorities getting revenge).

 

[Carlito's Way]

Pretty common among Anglos.



But BLM being trendy is better than it being trendy to be alt-right, like it was back in 2016. Though I am seeing more of white guys coming into other leftist movements, because it's trendy, but they were Trumpers back in 2016 so I don't trust them and I don't think others should either (they get really mad when I point out they were all Trump supporters in 2016. Then they will say BLM people are "divisive" and say we have to talk about class (even though race and class are very much intertwined). They just want women and minorities to shut up.



There was a website up for a while that had all the personal info of white women who supported these causes, pretty gross. Even my own mother got death threats once, because I spoke out against some racism going on in my local community. My mother had NOTHING to do with it, it was all me, I spoke my peace, but they want after my mother. Also got my share of death threats and at least one attempt on my life. This is par for the course, women have been killed for this.

As for people being against minorities (as well as women) having basic human rights, I think some people think it's a zero-sum game, so they will lose of minorities get rights, or minorities will oppress them or some shit (which is probably white guilt on their part, actually I say it's really right-wingers who have the white guilt, and that is why they are so obsessed with the prospect of minorities getting revenge).

damn thats insane, I didn't know you and your mom went through all that, which is funny because those assholes never go against MEN, their target are always women, elderly and children especially when they are alone with no one to call for help

check this video out, its insane how we still have places like this in America

we have to remember that those old white people grew up in this decade when it was NORMAL to attack physically and verbally black people and have white folks backing up their racism against blacks, so you can only imagine how they must be feeling when they see their own race actually fighting for those black lives against white supremacy

 

[Carlito's Way]

it also goes to show how black people didn't fight back against white people when they were being spit on, beaten even to death, they took those beatings in fear of there being bigger consequences for them because of their race, but yet they were still called savages and violent "sub-human"

now in 2020, it is different, black people defend themselves and there are still called savages and violent "subhumans"
these white folks think they are back in 1970 when their daddy and mommy use to attack black people and nothing would happen

 

[SavannahCatGiannis]

damn thats insane, I didn't know you and your mom went through all that, which is funny because those assholes never go against MEN, their target are always women, elderly and children especially when they are alone with no one to call for help

because they’re weak. I once pointed this out, that they always go after women and children, over on ABF and that post got deleted and I got an infraction for it. They don’t want to admit it because they know they’re weak

check this video out, its insane how we still have places like this in America

we have to remember that those old white people grew up in this decade when it was NORMAL to attack physically and verbally black people and have white folks backing up their racism against blacks, so you can only imagine how they must be feeling when they see their own race actually fighting for those black lives against white supremacy

Back then there were also white people fighting racism, a lot of them got killed though. I remember reading about a pastor who was lynched and the people who killed him kept his bones as souvenirs (just like they’d take body parts of black folks they lynched as souvenirs). Ironically, these “people” would call head-hunters in places like Papua New Guinea “savages” lol

One disturbing case I heard about was in South Africa though, this white anti-apartheid activist, from a stereotypical Boer background, he got arrested and imprisoned at Robben’s Island with Nelson Mandela where the guards pretty much made and example of him by beating him to death... but of course they waited until he was diagnosed with cancer and frail from the illness to do it. Then after his death in final disrespect, they never gave him a proper funeral. They cremated him (which would be disrespect in his culture) and kept the urn at the prison, cos they wanted to punish him after death.

 

[Carlito's Way]

because they’re weak. I once pointed this out, that they always go after women and children, over on ABF and that post got deleted and I got an infraction for it. They don’t want to admit it because they know they’re weak

Speaking of ABF, even there it was common to see those white incels attack female posters for having different opinions
I remember Stala getting attacked by that Moroccan dude from America, I forgot his username but he would talk shit about black women all while having a black ex baby momma smh

and this is a growing problem in this generation

Incel Cole Carini blows his hands off with homemade bomb trying to kill 'hot cheerleaders'

Back then there were also white people fighting racism, a lot of them got killed though. I remember reading about a pastor who was lynched and the people who killed him kept his bones as souvenirs (just like they’d take body parts of black folks they lynched as souvenirs). Ironically, these “people” would call head-hunters in places like Papua New Guinea “savages” lol

One disturbing case I heard about was in South Africa though, this white anti-apartheid activist, from a stereotypical Boer background, he got arrested and imprisoned at Robben’s Island with Nelson Mandela where the guards pretty much made and example of him by beating him to death... but of course they waited until he was diagnosed with cancer and frail from the illness to do it. Then after his death in final disrespect, they never gave him a proper funeral. They cremated him (which would be disrespect in his culture) and kept the urn at the prison, cos they wanted to punish him after death.

That is true, a lot of white people have been fighting for our causes, many did during the Civil Rights Movement and before that, the problem was that many of them were getting silenced and from using their privilege to help us

white women forming a chain to protect blacks from the police, this is amazing, this is proof how they can use their white privilege to protect their brothers and sisters who most likely wouldve been gassed and attacked

 

[SavannahCatGiannis]

Speaking of ABF, even there it was common to see those white incels attack female posters for having different opinions

Yeah, that's because they're weak.

I remember Stala getting attacked by that Moroccan dude from America, I forgot his username but he would talk shit about black women all while having a black ex baby momma smh

He's a prime example of weak: talked loads of shit online, but I bet he's as quiet as a church mouse in real life (bet most of those dudes are). And yeah he should not be allowed to be around that kid.

And yeah, Stala defended me when people came after me. I always got ganged up on over there lol.

and this is a growing problem in this generation

Yeah blame the Internet. I'll be like the NSA with my kids, that's for sure. Actually I may not let them touch a computer for anything other than school and job searches until they're out of the house and have a job.

Incel Cole Carini blows his hands off with homemade bomb trying to kill 'hot cheerleaders'

And yeah, CSIS (Canadian equivalent of the CIA) considers incels a national security threat and there have been incels picked up in anti-terrorism operations here in Canada (seriously).

That is true, a lot of white people have been fighting for our causes, many did during the Civil Rights Movement and before that, the problem was that many of them were getting silenced and from using their privilege to help us

Well it's the right thing to do. I wouldn't consider it a "people of colour" cause though, white people would benefit from ending racism too. Racism has been used to keep poor whites down and, well, poor, for centuries... that is why the term "white" was invented in the first place. And this kills white people every damn day. Like, while life expectancy is rising for everyone else, it's actually dropping among whites. Actually, the people dying the most these days are middle aged white men, from "deaths of despair": suicides, drug overdose, alcoholism, etc. yet they are still tricked into supporting policies that create these conditions for them. I think it was WEB DuBois who called it "the psychological wage of whiteness".

white women forming a chain to protect blacks from the police, this is amazing, this is proof how they can use their white privilege to protect their brothers and sisters who most likely wouldve been gassed and attacked

Yeah I've seen people call these women racist because they were "stealing attention from a black protest". I dunno, I think people who spread that kind of BS have ulterior motives, though.

The white men who showed up with the leaf blowers after the white women got gassed cracked me up. That's one thing you gotta love about white guys, they manage to throw a little humour into it when they protest.

 

[SavannahCatGiannis]

BTW have you heard about the case of the white kid murdered by the black guy who has been used by racist to derail Black Lives Matter?

It’s so gross. It’s a tragic murder case. Apparently the suspect was a friend of the family (or at least the family thought he was a friend) and he killed their 5 year old kid. He was arrested right away and will get justice but racists are sharing the case all over social media.

I feel really bad for the family. I mean, losing a child (to murder especially) is bad enough, but they’re being retraumatized by their kid being splashed all over social media to score political points. They even asked the people spreading his case for political points to stop, but they won’t. Feel so bad for that family man.

 

[Carlito's Way]

BTW have you heard about the case of the white kid murdered by the black guy who has been used by racist to derail Black Lives Matter?

It’s so gross. It’s a tragic murder case. Apparently the suspect was a friend of the family (or at least the family thought he was a friend) and he killed their 5 year old kid. He was arrested right away and will get justice but racists are sharing the case all over social media.

I feel really bad for the family. I mean, losing a child (to murder especially) is bad enough, but they’re being retraumatized by their kid being splashed all over social media to score political points. They even asked the people spreading his case for political points to stop, but they won’t. Feel so bad for that family man.

Yeah I heard of the story, and although I feel bad for the parents losing their child, that had nothing to do with BLM to begin with. It is as if the movement is being hold accountable for the actions of other blacks, which is super weird to me when they do that, yet with the KKK, they do not hold the KKK accountable for every crime committed by white folks

Black criminals are always charged and given heavy prison sentence while white criminals committing the same crime have been proven to receive less sentence than black people

to me a white criminal is a lot more dangerous than a black criminal, at least with the black criminal I know he will be arrested asap and given YEARS but a white criminal can be free even with having evidence of the crime, the case can also take months, and if they are given prison time, it will be a couple of years even MONTHS

but white folks do not seem to understand that at all, the privilege is right in their noses

 

[SavannahCatGiannis]

to me a white criminal is a lot more dangerous than a black criminal, at least with the black criminal I know he will be arrested asap and given YEARS but a white criminal can be free even with having evidence of the crime, the case can also take months, and if they are given prison time, it will be a couple of years even MONTHS

but white folks do not seem to understand that at all, the privilege is right in their noses

And this kills white people too. My uncle was murdered in 1996. The guy who killed him only go 6 years. When he got out, he killed another girl. Both of this guy's victims were white (as are most of the victims of white criminals, since in most crimes, the perpetrator ad the victim are of the same ethnicity).

But yeah that kid's parents told people to stop making a big deal about his case, to derail BLM. That's what makes me feel even worse for the family. Pretty gross, and shows they don't care about white lives either.

I have to say the most messed up derailment of BLM is the excuse "white people get killed by the cops too!"... like, well, there is the issue of disproportionality, but, if you really get into the logic of this argument, they're using the loss of human life to justify the loss of human life. The cops shouldn't be shooting white people either.

 

[Dominicanese]

all i have to say is

damn

 

[Dominicanese]

what i dont like though, is how whites wanna instantly call the cops to resolve their problems, me as a country boy we were raised to handle situations ourselves, once the authority comes they fuck everyone up even the victoms in way shape or form

 

[SavannahCatGiannis]

what i dont like though, is how whites wanna instantly call the cops to resolve their problems, me as a country boy we were raised to handle situations ourselves, once the authority comes they fuck everyone up even the victoms in way shape or form

Yeah I grew up in a rural area and calling the cops was unreliable because it usually took them 45 minutes to get there.

People from where I grew up have a reputation of knowing how to fight. I always laughed at this stereotype but now I kind of get it: one time I was there and somebody robbed a bar, took the cash register, and the community apprehended the thief because the cops took so long to show up. And Canada has pretty strict gun laws, so fists it is.