What do these kabyles look like ?

[Nassbean]

 

[ImHere]

I agree with Guti, very many passes as south euros(as i said before). Then a huge amount looks like levantines and some "stereotypically berber"

 

[Nassbean]

I agree with both of you, that's also the impression I had

 

[Turkic Warrior]

some look southern european some look german and some look levantine

 

[ImHere]

Really shows their south european heritage(wether from ancient or around middle ages) + levantine heritage(when i modelled coastal berbers with some of those old north african alike samples from south europe + andalusians and levantines, a lot of them got even 40-60% of levant/spanish mix, though theyre likely no less than 50% "local coastal african" at least)


Barely saw any of these germanic/south euro passing folks in Marrakech or Agadir

 

[Nassbean]

Really shows their south european heritage(wether from ancient or around middle ages) + levantine heritage(when i modelled coastal berbers with some of those old north african alike samples from south europe + andalusians and levantines, a lot of them got even 40-60% of levant/spanish mix, though theyre likely no less than 50% "local coastal african" at least)


Barely saw any of these germanic/south euro passing folks in Marrakech or Agadir

wait are you nomansman ? I remember an afghan user on TA who visited Morocco.

As for european ancestry, it's well known coastal north africans do have important amount of EEF, steppe and even some WHG (I've seen some kabyle results reaching 50% of EEF for example) but that kind of ancestry is old going back to the late neolithic and the bronze age. Inland berbers like mozabites or chleuh have in comparison higher level of Iberomaurusian ancestry (a dark skinned population) and overall more SSA ancestry (which isn't necessarily recent either) and less steppe ancestry .

Overall Berbers don't have much levantine ancestry :

Interestingly, the genetic influence of the Near East on Libyan and Egyptian genomes is noticeable. This pattern contrasts with that found in the Maghreb (western North Africa), where that influence is more reduced and comparable to that recorded from western Europe. The observed pattern seems to disagree with conclusions from Arauna et al. (2017), who stated that all of northern Africa is mixed with the Near East.

Human Genomic Diversity Where the Mediterranean Joins the Atlantic

Abstract. Throughout the past few years, a lively debate emerged about the timing and magnitude of the human migrations between the Iberian Peninsula and t

academic.oup.com

Tbh they look pretty much north african to me but I do agree with you that sometimes they seem to produce unusual european or levantine looking individual.

 

[ImHere]

wait are you nomansman ? I remember an afghan user on TA who visited Morocco.

As for european ancestry, it's well known coastal north africans do have important amount of EEF, steppe and even some WHG (I've seen some kabyle results reaching 50% of EEF for example) but that kind of ancestry is old going back to the late neolithic and the bronze age. Inland berbers like mozabites or chleuh have in comparison higher level of Iberomaurusian ancestry (a dark skinned population) and overall more SSA ancestry (which isn't necessarily recent either) and less steppe ancestry .

Overall Berbers don't have much levantine ancestry :

Human Genomic Diversity Where the Mediterranean Joins the Atlantic

Abstract. Throughout the past few years, a lively debate emerged about the timing and magnitude of the human migrations between the Iberian Peninsula and t

academic.oup.com

Tbh they look pretty much north african to me but I do agree with you that sometimes they seem to produce unusual european or levantine looking individual.

I guess some do have more arab heritage than others. But the north morroccans i modelled did get more south european than levantine(only some got a huge amount of levant admix)

But yeh, spanish alike heritage in berbers are apparently more ancient, with some having more recent spanish heritage from moors. And i guess it makes sense that berbers further away from the coast scores more iberomaurusian admix and more SSA as well + less steppe(modelled some mozabites and south morroccans myself, and that did seem to be the norm. Arab heritage did occur though)


Yeh, im nomansman

 

[Nassbean]

I guess some do have more arab heritage than others. But the north morroccans i modelled did get more south european than levantine(only some got a huge amount of levant admix)

But yeh, spanish alike heritage in berbers are apparently more ancient, with some having more recent spanish heritage from moors. And i guess it makes sense that berbers further away from the coast scores more iberomaurusian admix and more SSA as well + less steppe(modelled some mozabites and south morroccans myself, and that did seem to be the norm. Arab heritage did occur though)


Yeh, im nomansman

Nice to see you here, I appreciated you back then lol

As for arab heritage that does not really concern kabyles but yes it definitely impacted some areas especially in tunisia and libya.

 

[IberoTarasco]

They look like Berbers mixed with Southern European & Iraqi.