Udmurts: CHG vs EHG

[Fuяевu]

Here, I post examples of some Udmurts ( who are infact 70% Steppe in ancestry, in turn 50% ICHG & 50% EHG) I think would be passable in either the CHG or EHG domain.
You already know who I think CHG looked like, if you saw my "Classify CHG descendants" thread. Please do tell me your thoughts

CHG- Aged CHG type?

EHG- Standard EHG morph.

CHG- Withdraw from the Gingerism.

EHG- Lighter EHG.

CHG- Withdraw from the Blondism.

EHG- Standard EHG-ANE morph.

 

[Kurdquistador]

there is no way CHG looked like that

but i wanted to show you this already the last couple of days but forgot to . this is apperently a CHG reconstruction which i find nonsense personally :

click here :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ft7UHPTWcAciAsD.jpg:large

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and apperently that CHG dude had some EHG too

 

[Fuяевu]

there is no way CHG looked like that

but i wanted to show you this already the last couple of days but forgot to . this is apperently a CHG reconstruction which i find nonsense personally :

click here :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ft7UHPTWcAciAsD.jpg:large

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and apperently that CHG dude had some EHG too

Do you agree with EHG examples though? I think they're pretty solid.

Yeah that reconstruction is 100% baloney. LMao.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Do you agree with EHG examples though? I think they're pretty solid.

Yeah that reconstruction is 100% baloney. LMao.

not sure . i think they are too mong

by the way this is reconstruction is labeled as one of the "Iran N cline" the ANE rich end . xD bullshit

https://nsgnforlqltuuebdvocw.supabase.co/storage/v1/object/public/reconstructions/reconstruction-fulls/MonjukluRecon.webp

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[idklolimo]

The mtebid phenotype is a good example of what CHG looks like

 

[Kurdquistador]

all i can say is that CHG was whiter than Iran N

and Iran N was whiter than this Baloch guy

why ? how i know ?

well this is his Eurogenes K12b for example (i can also show dodecad k12b)

while this is the result of Iran N

the baloch guy has 8.5 south asian while Iran N has 3.5


and the Iran N has a lot more caucasus

 

[idklolimo]

Baloch guy looks like Indo Iranid as fuck

 

[Kurdquistador]

therefore (relating to the post i made above) Iran N looked like a little whiter version of that Baloch guy above

like these for example :

 

[Kurdquistador]

Baloch guy looks like Indo Iranid as fuck

he doesnt look "indo" anything

he looks Kuwaiti , Iraqi , south Iranian etc

 

[Fuяевu]

@Domiz

Look at Patrick Stewart, he looks like as some would describe"mongoloid" but has no trace of Asian heritage.
Patrick Stewart also looks like the Kennewick man but has no trace of Indigineous American either, hmmmm.

@Domiz @Natufian Hunter Gatherer
I think I should do a South American edition: Han vs ANE next.

 

[Kurdquistador]

ok one last post (dont wanna spam)

so if those examples i picked (and i think they are more or less accurate) are roughly what Iran N looked like

then CHG looked like a British shifted version of it

i am not a big fan of G25 but still if we use scaled coordinates and model CHG using Iran N . it seems that CHG is like Iran N + Scottish shift . it makes the fit 3-4 points better which is not bad at all for such ancient pops


Target: GEO_CHG
Distance: 15.4892% / 0.15489212
69.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
31.0 Shetlandic


Target: GEO_CHG
Distance: 18.5352% / 0.18535230 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

 

[idklolimo]

I think I should do a South American edition: Han vs ANE next.

lol this bullshit. The non-west eurasian thing in the ANE component is definitely not mongoloid. only basal east eurasia (we can think of it like AASI)

 

[Kurdquistador]

with individuals of both the fit is even better

Target: GEO_CHG
Distance: 17.8712% / 0.17871157 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N:I1945

Target: GEO_CHG
Distance: 14.7290% / 0.14728986
69.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N:I1945
31.0 Shetlandic:Shetlands2