The Genealogy Thread

[Beowulf]

I didn't saw any thread related with genealogy at all so i want to create a thread were we can share our discoveries and ask if there is a doubt


These weeks i was doing a research again in my paternal line wich i think i mentioned that they had noble origin before they lost everything

so these are the new discoveries:

Pedro Fernando Tavira y Almazán

Tavira and Almazán, Pedro Fernando de . Albaladejo (Ciudad Real), c. 1742 – Madrid, 22.VI.1812. Knight of the Order of Carlos III, secretary of the Chamber of Grace, Justice and Royal Board of Aragon.

Son of Andrés Vicente Tavira, a native of the town of Iznatoraf in La Mancha, and Águeda de Almazán, a native of the town of Beas. His paternal grandparents were Antonio Ibáñez Tavira, a native of Iznatoraf, and Isabel López Manjón, a native of the same town. His maternal grandparents were Pedro Almazán and Quiteria Yáñez Fernández Llavero, both from Beas.

His full brother was Antonio Jerónimo Tavira y Almazán, baptized in Iznatoraf (October 5, 1737), Knight of the Order of Santiago (1761), Bishop of the Canary Islands (1791), Bishop of Osma (1796) and Bishop of Salamanca (1798). .

He was named a pensioner knight of the Royal and Distinguished Spanish Order of Carlos III (September 28, 1799) and his tests were approved shortly after (November 11, 1799), after which he made his profession (November 22, 1799).



Dedicated from his youth to the exercise of papers, he was assigned to the employment of eighth officer of the Secretary of State and the Office of Grace and Justice of Spain (February 25, 1780) and there he followed the entire regular course, rising to seventh officer ( November 25, 1785), to sixth officer (August 25, 1786), to fifth officer (April 24, 1789), to fourth officer (June 19, 1791), to third officer (June 15, 1794) , to second officer (September 6, 1795), to more recent senior officer (June 24, 1798) and to senior senior officer (January 13, 1799). Finally, and already with the title of royal secretary with the exercise of decrees (October 10, 1786), he was appointed secretary of the Chamber of Grace and Justice and Royal Board of Trustees of the Chamber of Aragon (1803),

He would die four years after the entry of the French troops into Villa y Corte, where he had lived in house no. May 1808), and was secretly buried in the parish church of San Martín in Madrid, after which his widow would make her will before the notary public Santiago de Estepar (August 18, 1813).

He married in Madrid, in the private oratory that the Marquis de Salas had in his house on Calle de Fuencarral (February 18, 1786), with María Teresa Josefa Cayetana Juana de Acosta Montealegre, born in Santiago de Chile (April 19, 1771) and baptized in her parish church in Santa Ana (April 20, 1771), daughter of Antonio de Acosta y Godoy, Marquis de Salas, native of Malaga, secretary of the Governor of the Kingdom of Chile Antonio Guill y Gonzaga, and Margarita de Montealegre, native of Madrid, died under power to testate granted in Villa y Corte (June 24, 1789). The following nine children were born from this union: María Antonia de Tavira y Acosta; Agustín de Tavira y Acosta, born in Madrid (September 4, 1789), Knight of the Order of Carlos III (1824), royal secretary with the exercise of decrees and official of the first Secretary of State; Josefa de Tavira y Acosta; Leocadia de Tavira and Acosta; Pedro Fernando de Tavira y Acosta, a native of Madrid, Knight of the Order of Santiago (1857); Salvador de Tavira y Acosta, born in Aranjuez (April 10, 1803), knight of the Order of Carlos III (1837) and ambassador to the Republic of Chile; María Teresa de Tavira y Acosta, of the Order of Noble Ladies of Queen María Luisa (1846), married to Juan Fernández del Pino y Osorio-Calvache, Count of Pinofiel (II); Felipe de Tavira y Acosta, born in Madrid, Knight of the Order of Santiago (1835); and María de la Natividad de Tavira y Acosta, born posthumously in Madrid (September 15, 1812).

https://dbe.rah.es/biografias/120603...vira-y-almazan











Another new Ancestor Juan Manjón Useda Real Chancilleria de Granada, Iznatoraf and Villanueva del Arzobispo both towns is from where my paternal grandfather came.








María Teresa Josefa Cayetana Juana de Acosta Montealegre, born in Santiago de Chile (April 19, 1771) and baptized in her parish church in Santa Ana (April 20, 1771), daughter of Antonio de Acosta y Godoy, Marquis de Salas, native of Malaga, secretary of the Governor of the Kingdom of Chile Antonio Guill y Gonzaga, and Margarita de Montealegre, native of Madrid

 

[Beowulf]

From my English family:

John Rastell​

John Rastell (or Rastall) (c. 1475 – 1536) was an English printer, author, member of parliament, and barrister.

Born in Coventry, he is vaguely reported by Anthony à Wood to have been "educated for a time in grammaticals and philosophicals" at Oxford. He became a member of Middle Temple, and practised as a barrister, but established a printing business in London c.1512. He also devised pagaentries for the king. Amongst works he published, in a preface to Liber assisarum et placitorum corone (1514?) he announced the forthcoming publication of Sir Anthony Fitzherbert's Abbreviamentum librorum legum Anglorum, dated 1516. Among the works issued from the "sygne of the meremayd at Powlysgate," where he lived and worked from 1520 onwards, are The Mery Gestys of the Wydow Edyth (1525), and A Dyaloge of Syr Thomas More (1529). The last of his dated publications was Fabyl's Ghoste (1533), a poem. In 1529 he became M.P. (Member of Parliament) for Dunheved, Cornwall

In 1530 he wrote, in defence of the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory, A New Boke of Purgatory (1530), dialogues on the subject between "Comyngs and Almayn a Christen man, and one Gyngemyn a Turke." This was answered by John Frith in A Disputacion of Purgatorie. Rastell replied with an Apology against John Fryth, also answered by the latter. Rastell had married Elizabeth, sister of Sir Thomas More, with whose Catholic theology and political views he was initially in sympathy. More had begun the controversy with John Frith, and Rastell joined him in attacking the Protestant writer, who, says John Foxe (Actes and Monuments, ed. G Townsend, vol. v. p. 9), did so "overthrow and confound" his adversaries that he converted Rastell to his side.

Separated from his Catholic friends, Rastell does not seem to have been fully trusted by the opposite party, for in a letter to Thomas Cromwell, written probably in 1536, he says that he had spent his time in upholding the king's cause and opposing the pope, with the result that he had lost both his printing business and his legal practice, and was reduced to poverty. He was imprisoned in 1536, perhaps because he had written against the payment of tithes. He probably died in prison, and his will, of which Henry VIII had originally been appointed an executor, was proved on 18 July 1536. He left two sons: William Rastell and John Rastell the Younger, the latter of whom accompanied Richard Hore on his ill-fated expedition.[1] The Jesuit, John Rastell (1532–77), who has been frequently confounded with him, was no relation.

Works[edit]​

The Pastyme of People, 1529[edit]​

Rastell's best-known work is The Pastyme of People, the Chronycles of dyvers Realmys and most specially of the Realme of England (1529), a chronicle dealing with English history from the earliest times to the reign of Richard III, edited by Thomas Frognall Dibdin in 1811. His Expositiones terminorum legum Angliae (in French, translated into English, 1527; reprinted 1629, 1636, 1641, &c., as Les Termes de la Ley), and The Abbreviacion of Statutis (1519), of which fifteen editions appeared before 1625, are the best known of his legal works.

The Four Elements, circa 1519[edit]​

Rastell was also the author of a morality play, A new Interlude and a Mery of the Elements, or The Four Elements written about 1519, which is no doubt the "large and ingenious comedy" attributed to him by Wood.[2]

The unique copy in the British Library is incomplete, and contains neither the date nor the name of the author, identified with John Rastell on the authority of John Bale, who catalogued Natura Naturata among his works, adding a Latin version of the first line of the piece. This interlude was printed in William Carew Hazlitt's edition of Dodsley's Old English Plays, by James Orchard Halliwell-Phillipps for the Percy Soc. (Early English Poetry, vol. 22, 1848), and by Julius Fischer.[3] See also an article[4] by Henry R. Plomer, who unearthed in the Record Office an account of a lawsuit (1534–35) in connection with Rastell's premises at the "Mermaid". For the books issued from his press see a catalogue by Robert Proctor, in Handlists of English Printers (Bibliographical Soc., 1896).

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He was also the first English printer of polyphonic music, which he began issuing in the 1520s. The practice of printing music from a single impression i.e. using pieces of type that print staves, notes and text together, was apparently first practiced by Rastell in London about 1520.[5] Two different broadside songsheets printed by him survive, dated to about 1523; two survivals of ephemeral unbound works from such an early date suggest that he may have printed a considerable amount of music. The texts are in English, suggesting they were for the local market, not export. After his death, the musical type were acquired by John Gough.[6]

 

[Beowulf]

seems that this thread didn't got the popularity that i expected.

 

[Turkic Warrior]

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seems that this thread didn't got the popularity that i expected.

interesting thread 👍🏻

 

[idklolimo]

I assume most of my ancestors were shepherd people in Mesopotamia, the Caucasus and Iran.

 

[Coffeecup]

I do have one discovery I remember that shocked me. When I started doing genealogy research out of random interest years ago at a library for a bit, I focused on my Ukrainian grandma because at the time her side was the least researched and most uncertain. I ended up finding out that she had a second brother I was never told about or knew about......and that he strangely died at 16. When I looked a bit further his cause of death was listed as a plane crash. Turns out (also according to my grandma) that he was highly ambitious, he liked to help others, was a big risk taker, and he had big dreams of becoming an army pilot. Sadly it turns out that my great-grandfather forged documents falsifying his age to get him into flight training before he was 18, he didn't do much training before crashing according to the timeline. Apparently this incident was a huge point of contention in my family. Very sad. Unfortunately I no longer have access to the documents.

I also found out my grandma hid her real first name because she didn't like it and was scared it would reveal her ethnicity.

Also found out that one of my mom's great-grandparents may have had a secret affair with their house maid.

 

[Beowulf]

Today i found 2 dna matches in Finland with the same surname as my mother have.

 

[SavannahCatGiannis]

I found out I am descended from Acadian resistance fighter turned pirate in the Gulf of St. Lawrence named Joseph LeBlanc dit Le Maigre (who has a quick mention in Assassin’s Creed Rogue, you can find him and get intel on ships in the North Atlantic part of the game map). That was interesting. He didn’t really become a pirate by choice, he had to do it to survive. He was imprisoned for a while and release and went to St. Pierre et Miquelon, but then after his wife died, he went to mainland France, where he died. Basically sick of a life of either crime, or living off the charity of others, which he found humiliating, but those were his only options in Nova Scotia during and after the Seven Years War. Most of his kids stayed along the Gulf of St. Lawrence shore except for his eldest son, who followed him to France and later went on to take up an offer by the Spanish settle in New Iberia, Louisiana.

His father was a lawyer and a notary, who is portrayed in Longfellow’s Evangeline. He got in trouble and lost his position as a notary because of his son’s actions against the British, but also got in trouble with his own people (including his son) for collaborating with the British by taking the job as a lawyer/notary in their courts. He was beaten and imprisoned by his own people and then sent into exile by the British where he died in a refugee camp in Philadelphia and was buried in an unmarked grave in what is now Washington Square.

Also a descendant of Mi’kmaw sagamaw (chief) Jean-Baptiste Cope (or Kopit) who helped negotiate the Peace and Friendship Treaty with the British, which is actually bound in Canadian law and applies to all Canadians to this day (it governs a lot of the rules around commerce in Canada, actually). I had no idea I was a descendant of him until recently and I walk by his grave site on a regular basis. It’s near a public park where I like to go for walks.

 

[Coffeecup]

Well, I started remaking my family tree slowly and trying to fill in the info I lost ever since I lost access to the genealogy databases I was using and lost papers from moving. I've been having a lot of luck with my Acadian and Quebecois ancestry, but not as much with other branches of my family yet still ):. I did make a cool discovery though I found the ancestor in common I shared with an Ancestry DNA relative with extremely high certainty by searching surnames in their tree which was very neat I was hoping to look more into that, it was a 6th GG. Sadly though with the new Ancestry paywalls I can't really see or do anything anymore with the relatives )= so I'll have to try and see what I can discover on other platforms.

I know my mom also found out about a new Irish surname in her family through a DNA relative so I wonder what else could be discovered. I want to also find links to Ukrainian relatives so I can attempt to fill in my grandma's family tree branches.

 

[SavannahCatGiannis]

Well, I started remaking my family tree slowly and trying to fill in the info I lost ever since I lost access to the genealogy databases I was using and lost papers from moving. I've been having a lot of luck with my Acadian and Quebecois ancestry, but not as much with other branches of my family yet still ):. I did make a cool discovery though I found the ancestor in common I shared with an Ancestry DNA relative with extremely high certainty by searching surnames in their tree which was very neat I was hoping to look more into that, it was a 6th GG. Sadly though with the new Ancestry paywalls I can't really see or do anything anymore with the relatives )= so I'll have to try and see what I can discover on other platforms.

I know my mom also found out about a new Irish surname in her family through a DNA relative so I wonder what else could be discovered. I want to also find links to Ukrainian relatives so I can attempt to fill in my grandma's family tree branches.

Where are you stuck with Acadian and Quebecois ancestry? I may be able to help you.

 

[SavannahCatGiannis]

The crazy thing when I look into my genealogy, man, my ancestors were some horny bastards.

People having 20+ kids. Older people with hundreds of grandchildren. God damn!

 

[Beowulf]

The crazy thing when I look into my genealogy, man, my ancestors were some horny bastards.

People having 20+ kids. Older people with hundreds of grandchildren. God damn!

one of my Great great grandpa's had 14 children with my great great grandma and way more children in his voyages around Europe.

 

[SavannahCatGiannis]

one of my Great great grandpa's had 14 children with my great great grandma and way more children in his voyages around Europe.

Pretty much all of my ancestors up until 2 generations ago had 20+ kids.

And often more to different women.

And also when my ancestors were deported from Nova Scotia and families were split apart, people often had new families where they ended up.

 

[SavannahCatGiannis]

Captain James Cook was the captain of this ship. This was his first job in the British Navy (and he failed).

I guess it’s rather unfortunate for the indigenous peoples of Australia and New Zealand that my ancestor here didn’t kill him.

 

[SavannahCatGiannis]

I’m related to the Pope through these common ancestors 😁