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So, how much Ancient Levant modern jews are?
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Askhenazis and Serfadis, Mihzari are a apart group
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81%
Given the strength of the case for even these founders having a European source, however, our best estimate is to assign ~81% of Ashkenazi lineages to a European source, ~8% to the Near East and ~1% further to the east in Asia, with ~10% remaining ambiguous (Fig.8 oct 2013
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Given the strength of the case for even these founders having a European source, however, our best estimate is to assign ~81% of Ashkenazi lineages to a European source, ~8% to the Near East and ~1% further to the east in Asia, with ~10% remaining ambiguous (Fig.8 oct 2013
A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages - Nature Communications
Ashkenazi mitochondrial DNA variation has four major founders whose sources are difficult to trace due to the rarity of Ashkenazi Jews in the general population. Here, the authors provide evidence that all four major founders originated from Europe and provide a genealogical record of the Ashkenazi.
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Not exactly. Ashkenazi are more Levantine in ancestry than European which was Central/South Italian. Sephardim have more Levantine ancestry than the Ashkenazi. It isn't 50:50. Ashkenazi went through a bottleneck that increased the number of blue eyed, and blond haired Jews.
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@Ponto Phenotype aside, you are exaggerating the Levantineness of Ashkenazi Jews. That 50/50 model isn't really fitting especially when you learn what the ancient romans were genetically. 1/2 LBA/EIA Levantine population + 1/2 modern day Southern Italian like Roman population form that same era won't give you Ashkenazi Jews.
Edit: the Roman-era Italian ancestry in Ashkenazi Jews is also exaggerated for the reason mentioned above. I remember posting a good thread from anthrogenica in which there is a discussion about this topic.
Edit: the Roman-era Italian ancestry in Ashkenazi Jews is also exaggerated for the reason mentioned above. I remember posting a good thread from anthrogenica in which there is a discussion about this topic.
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Also, the ancient Levantine component or you could say the Bronze age/Iron Age Levantine ancestry that these Jews have is only 30% natufian in origins. Natufians themselves were the "actual" Levantines and the Levant became a pool of mixed ancient components after the Natufian period was coming to an end, beginning from the Neolithic Levantine era.
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I know what you meant when you said 81% however the way that you wrote 81% is misleading. It looks as if you are saying that Ashkies are 81% EBA/EIA Levantine.81%
Given the strength of the case for even these founders having a European source, however, our best estimate is to assign ~81% of Ashkenazi lineages to a European source, ~8% to the Near East and ~1% further to the east in Asia, with ~10% remaining ambiguous (Fig.8 oct 2013
A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages - Nature Communications
Ashkenazi mitochondrial DNA variation has four major founders whose sources are difficult to trace due to the rarity of Ashkenazi Jews in the general population. Here, the authors provide evidence that all four major founders originated from Europe and provide a genealogical record of the Ashkenazi.
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81%
Given the strength of the case for even these founders having a European source, however, our best estimate is to assign ~81% of Ashkenazi lineages to a European source, ~8% to the Near East and ~1% further to the east in Asia, with ~10% remaining ambiguous (Fig.8 oct 2013
A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages - Nature Communications
Ashkenazi mitochondrial DNA variation has four major founders whose sources are difficult to trace due to the rarity of Ashkenazi Jews in the general population. Here, the authors provide evidence that all four major founders originated from Europe and provide a genealogical record of the Ashkenazi.
We are referring to different populations. The Levantine ancestors of the Ashkenazi were similar to the population living in the Levant today minus African ancestry, a mix of Anatolian farmer, Levantine farmer, and Iran farmer, maybe some Steppe ancestry from the Mitanni. They were throughly mixed yet would still cluster with modern Levantines. The Italians I am referring to weren't Imperial Romans from a Rome that was filled with people from Anatolia, Near East and North Africa. You can see that from the dna results of the remains of those Imperial Romans who lived in Rome. They weren't real genuine Romans, but admixed Near Easterners and Anatolians with some Greek ancestry. I am referring to Italians similar to modern Italians as shown by dna testing of late Roman remains which are similar to modern Italians. I don't accept the 50:50 model. South Italians owe a lot of their ancestry to Greeks not Romans.
We just have to agree to disagree on this issue.