Semitic(East mediterranean+southwest asia)

[Guti]

I don’t agree with him. He thinks proto-Kurds (Medes) were from South Central Asia. But I am 100% sure it was not the case. Guto-Medes were a product of native people of Kurdistan mixed with some people from north of the Caucasus, related to a Trialeti culture.

Aryan Kurdish ancestors were not from South Central Asia, but they were always native to Kurdistan as you can see from the Iron_Age samples from Kurdistan

 

[Tyaraya]

Here is a genetic study done on all minorities of Northern Iraq including Yazidis.

A glimpse at the intricate mosaic of ethnicities from Mesopotamia: Paternal lineages of the Northern Iraqi Arabs, Kurds, Syriacs, Turkmens and Yazidis

Widely considered as one of the cradles of human civilization, Mesopotamia is largely situated in the Republic of Iraq, which is also the birthplace of the Sumerian, Akkadian, Assyrian and Babylonian civilizations. These lands were subsequently ruled by the Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs...

journals.plos.org

See for yourself who are the Yazidis genetically closer to. Pay close attention to Y-DNA which represent ancient ancestry.
Then you can boast or maybe stop boasting of how aryan you are.

Well @Guti, Did you read the study? Or it does not fit well in your narrative?

 

[Guti]

Well @Guti, Did you read the study? Or it does not fit well in your narrative?

I read it a long time ago. It is saying that Ezdi and Assyrian Y-DNA markers are the most archaic, the oldest one in the Mesopotamia. But it doesn't say at all that Assyrians and Ezdi are the same people, with the same roots of the same origin.
We both are the oldest people, but we don't share the same roots. This is what it is saying.

I think that Arabs are mostly a product of the Assyrians, while Kurds and Ezdis are of the same origin, but that Kurds diverted from Ezdis and got some extra ancestry from other people such as Turcomons.

Assyrians are like proto-Arabs in Iraq. Their Y-DNA markers are older than those of the Arabs.
Ezdi markers are also old and more archaic, but different from the Assyrians.

 

[Tyaraya]

I read it a long time ago. It is saying that Ezdi and Assyrian Y-DNA markers are the most archaic, the oldest one in Mesopotamia. But it doesn't say at all that Assyrians and Ezdi are the same people, with the same roots of the same origin.
We both are oldest people, but we don't share same roots. This is what it is saying.

I think that Arabs are mostly a product of the Assyrians, while Kurds and Ezdis are of the same origin, but that Kurds diverted from Ezdis and got some extra ancestry from other people such as Turcomons.

Assyrians are like proto-Arabs in Iraq. Their Y-DNA markers are older.
Ezdi markers are also old and more archaic, but different from the Assyrians.

I never implied that Ezdi and Assyrians are related, heavens Nooo. Actually I am very glad that I am NOT related to you in any way.
Also I don't see where in the link you read that Arabs are as mostly the product of Assyrians, that is clearly false. Either you are blind or deliberately misleading which fits you well.
I didn't say the we share the same roots, but I don't see where does it indicate that Ezdi's are Aryans and Assyrians are Semites.

 

[Guti]

I never implied that Ezdi and Assyrians are related, heavens Nooo. Actually I am very glad that I am NOT related to you in any way.
Also I don't see where in the link you read that Arabs are as mostly the product of Assyrians, that is clearly false. Either you are blind or deliberately misleading which fits you well.
I didn't say the we share the same roots, but I don't see where does it indicate that Ezdi's are Aryans and Assyrians are Semites.

a) This study doesn't refute that Ezdis are of a Western Iranic (aka Aryan) racial stock. Show me where it is stated that Ezdis are not of an Iranic racial stock. Stop playing a fool.

b) Arabs in Iraq didn't come out of blue. They are mostly assimilated Assyrians/Chaldeans/Babylonians

c) I have always been saying that Ezdis are one of the OLDEST people walking on this planet, and this study does agree with me and states that the Y-DNA markers of the Ezdi Kurds are very archaic/ancient.
Even my own Y-DNA marker hg. R1a* is very, very archaic.

 

[Tyaraya]

a) This study doesn't refute that Ezdis are of a Western Iranic (aka Aryan) racial stock. Show me where it is stated that Ezdis are not of an Iranic racial stock. Stop playing a fool.

Answer: I am Not concerned if they are or they are not.

b) Arabs in Iraq didn't come out of blue. They are mostly assimilated Assyrians/Chaldeans/Babylonians

Answer: It is clear that they came out of the Arabian Peninsular. Sure they assimilated some native Mesopotamian people and other ethnic groups, but they are mostly of Arabian ethnic background. False claim from your part as always, this study clearly show that.

But here is a snap of the article regarding population cluster :

" To provide an alternative view on the genetic affinities among the five different ethnic datasets from the current study, a phylogenetic tree was also constructed based on Nei’s DA genetic distance metric and in the context of a even wider genetic landscape (S2 Table and Fig 3). Results from this second approach suggested that (a) Northern Iraq [Arab] clustered most closely with Lebanon [Lebanese] and Lebanon [Maronite]; Northern Iraq [Kurdish] clustered most closely with Iraq [Iraqi] and Iran [East Iranian]; and at the next level, Northern Iraq [Turkmen] grouped in between Northern Iraq [Arab] and Northern Iraq [Kurdish] clusters, and (b) Northern Iraq [Syriac] and Northern Iraq [Yazidi] clustered together, but away from the other Northern Iraqi populations analyzed in the current study, and largely in between the West Asian and Southeastern European populations. As a testament to overall validity of the phylogenetic tree constructed, (a) Turkish populations from Marmara, Southeastern Anatolia and Cukurova, (b) Cypriot populations (Turkish Cypriot, Greek Cypriot and Greek Cypriot II), (c) four out of the five Armenian populations analyzed (Krasnodar, Hemsheni, Adygei and Erzurum Origin), (d) Turkmen populations from Central/South Asia (Afghanistan and Uzbekistan), and (e) African, Southeast Asian and European populations were all found to cluster most closely among their respective populations."

c) I have always been saying that Ezdis are one of the OLDEST people walking on this planet, and this study does agree with me and states that the Y-DNA markers of the Ezdi Kurds are very archaic/ancient.
Even my own Y-DNA marker hg. R1a* is very, very archaic.

Answer: HOT AIR.

 

[Guti]

Where do you think your people come from? I mean their place of origin. And when do you think they started to speak your native language. And if you think that your people were not Semitic by origin, but were so called 'Semitised' in the past. By whom then? Your language has to have some origin, right? And who do you think your people were before they started to speak an Assyrian language so to speak.

It feels like i am doing all the talk, I want it to hear from you now what do you think.

 

[Tyaraya]

Where do you think your people come from? I mean their place of origin. And when do you think they started to speak your native language. And if you think that your people were not Semitic by origin, but were so called 'Semitised' in the past. By whom then? Your language has to have some origin, right? And who do you think your people were before they started to speak an Assyrian language so to speak.

It feels like i am doing all the talk, I want it to hear from you now what do you think.

You must be an expert on Assyrians, after all you wrote so much bullshit about us that I don't need to tell you much.
Go thru the article in the link that I had included earlier and decide for yourself, just be honest with yourself even if you don't want to admit it publicly .

 

[Guti]

I read that article hundreds of times because it also concerned my ARYAN people. That article came with nothing new, only repeated some basic stuff.
It is saying nothing about the origin of the Assyrian language. I don't think you understand what this article is saying, at all.

By the ways when that article speaks about clustering, they don't mean it on an autosomal level. They are only focused on Y-DNA markers (alleles) and nothing more..


To my own understanding an Assyrian language group was derived from the Akkadian language. When you dive deeper into the origin of the Akkadian language you will find also an origin of the Assyrian language.
The story as I know goes that various Semitic tribes such as Amorites from the Levant and Arabia migrated into southern Mesopotamia mixed with each other and gave rise to an Assyrian language in Mesopotamia that was in turn mostly formed by an Akkadian dialect.
The reason why Assyrians are connected to the Jews is because Semitic tribes Amorites and Canaanites lived next to each other form thousands of years. Amorites migrated into Mesopotamia, while Semitic Canaanites gave rise to the Semitic Jews.
But the thing is that Amorites, Canaanites, Akkadians were all tribes of the similar Semitic race. But when those tribes diverted they started to evolve separately.
So, Assyrians do have a Semitic origin story, you like it or not!

At the end Assyrians are NOT native people to Kurdistan because their autosomal DNA doesn't match well with the ancient native Iron_Age ARYANS from Kurdistan (Lake Urmia region where the ARYAN Kurmanji is from).


Now, just tell us why Assyrians speak a Semitic language while all of it North Western Asian neighbours don’t speak Semitic. It didn’t come out of blue, right?
Why do Assyrians speak Semitic and not Armenian (Urartu) or something?

Also explain to me why Assyrians are also related to other Semitic people in the Levant such as Jews if people of a common Semitic ethnicity as an entity didn’t exist? Why are Assyrians as Semitic speaking population so close to other Semitic speaking people Jews?

Why are you Assyrians genetically and linguistically so close to other Semitic nation such as Jews and Palestinians if a Semitic race doesn’t exists?


Your turn.

 

[Tyaraya]

I read that article hundreds of times because it also concerned my ARYAN people. That article came with nothing new, only repeated some basic stuff.
It is saying nothing about the origin of the Assyrian language. I don't think you understand what this article is saying, at all.

Answer: The article is not about language, but about tracing Y-DNA which indicates deep ancestry. You are making the claim that Assyrians are the same as Arabs, but it is clearly indicated from the data in that research article that Assyrians have a very different ancestry than Arabs, even from Arabs that live in Northern Mesopotamia. What is a better indicator in determining ancestral origin than Y-DNA and mt_DNA?
So stop making a fool out of yourself.

By the ways when that article speaks about clustering, they don't mean it on an autosomal level. They are only focused on Y-DNA markers (alleles) and nothing more..

Answer: I know what autosomal dna is v.s y-dna and mt-dna. Haplogroups are the best indicators of ancestral origin since they are passed down for generations with minimal change.

Major Y-DNA for Northern Iraqi Minorities including Assyrians, Yazidis, Turkmen, Kurds and Iraqi Arabs as Follows:

Y-Haplos J1(Semitic) E (Semitic) R1b (Non-Semitic) R1a (Non Semitic) I (Non-Semitic) Q (Non-Semitic) T (Non-Semtic) Total( Semitic Y-DNA) Total NON-Semitic Y-DNA)

Assyrians 11.63% 2.33% 30.2% 10.47% 2.33% 0% 17.44% 13.86% 60.44%
Yazidis 8.91% 10.89% 20.79% 8.91% 0.99% 0% 6.93% 19.8% 37.62%
Arab 38.61% 7.92% 2.97% 12.87% 1.98% 4.95% 8.91% 46.53% 31.68%
Turkmen 12.37% 18.56% 8.25% 12.37% 3.09% 2.06% 6.91% 20.93% 32.68%
Kurds 17.17% 15.15% 4.04% 17.17% 4.04% 2.02% 1.01% 32.32% 28.28%

As you can see Assyrians have the lowest total of the so called Semitic Y-haplogroups and the highest NON-Semitic Y-Haplogroups than all the other three ethnic groups. There goes you Assyrian Semitic origin theory out of the window.
Note: I didn't include J2 haplo since most people refer to it as the Mediterranean haplo and other minor ones like L.

 

[Tyaraya]

To my own understanding an Assyrian language group was derived from the Akkadian language. When you dive deeper into the origin of the Akkadian language you will find also an origin of the Assyrian language.
The story as I know goes that various Semitic tribes such as Amorites from the Levant and Arabia migrated into southern Mesopotamia mixed with each other and gave rise to an Assyrian language in Mesopotamia that was in turn mostly formed by an Akkadian dialect.
The reason why Assyrians are connected to the Jews is because Semitic tribes Amorites and Canaanites lived next to each other form thousands of years. Amorites migrated into Mesopotamia, while Semitic Canaanites gave rise to the Semitic Jews.
But the thing is that Amorites, Canaanites, Akkadians were all tribes of the similar Semitic race. But when those tribes diverted they started to evolve separately.
So, Assyrians do have a Semitic origin story, you like it or not!

Answer: These are all your stories made up by you without any historical facts. DNA shows exactly the opposite.

on the contrary, here is some of Yazidi history which is directly tied to Muslim Arabs "Sheikh Adi was born in the 1070s in the village of Bait Far, in the Beqaa Valley of present-day Lebanon.[9] ‘Adī's house of his birth is a place of pious pilgrimage to this day.[10] Descending from the family of Marwan I, the Caliph of the Umayyads, he was raised in a muslim environment.[9] His early life he spent in Baghdad, where he became a disciple of the Muslim mystic Ahmad Ghazali, among his fellow students in Ghazali's circle were the Muslim mystics Abu al-Najib Suhrawardi and Abdul Qadir Gilani;[11] with the latter he undertook a journey to Mecca.[1] With time he became a teacher himself.[12] He chose an ascetic way of life, left Baghdad and settled in Lalish.[13] Despite his desire for seclusion, he impressed the local population with his asceticism and miracles.[14][15] He became well known in present-day Iraq and Syria and disciples moved to the valley of Lalish to live close to Sheikh Adi. Following he founded the Adawiyya order.[16] The Valley of Lalish is located within the environs of the village of Ba'adra, 20 miles to the east of the Nestorian convent of Rabban-Hormizd.[17] Before he died, he named his successor his nephew Sakhr Abu l-Barakat.[18]"

Physically, he was said to be very tanned and of middle stature. He lived and ascetic lifestyle in the mountains in the region north of Mosul not far from the local Hakkari Kurds. As people flocked to his residency in the hills, he would end up founding a religious order later referred to as al-'Adawiyya ('the followers of 'Adi'). He died between 1162 CE (557 Hijra) and 1160 CE (555 Hijra)[1] in the hermitage that he had built with his followers in the mountain.

According to some sources, he established the Sufi Adawiyya order.[19]

Some Muslims respect him as one of the pioneers of asceticism and the scholars of Sufism who held firmly to the Quran and Sunnah.[20]

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Adi_ibn_Musafir

So who is tied more to Semitic Arabs? Assyrians? Or Yazidis?

At the end Assyrians are NOT native people to Kurdistan because their autosomal DNA doesn't match well with the ancient native Iron_Age ARYANS from Kurdistan (Lake Urmia region where the ARYAN Kurmanji is from).

Answer : Pure crap made up by you without any factual historical records.

Now, just tell us why Assyrians speak a Semitic language while all of it North Western Asian neighbours don’t speak Semitic. It didn’t come out of blue, right?
Why do Assyrians speak Semitic and not Armenian (Urartu) or something?
Also explain to me why Assyrians are also related to other Semitic people in the Levant such as Jews if people of a common Semitic ethnicity as an entity didn’t exist? Why are Assyrians as Semitic speaking population so close to other Semitic speaking people Jews?
Why are you Assyrians genetically and linguistically so close to other Semitic nation such as Jews and Palestinians if a Semitic race doesn’t exists?


Your turn.

Answer: The only way Assyrians are tied to other so called Semites is that other Semites borrowed heavily from Assyrian language and claimed a lot of Assyrian achievements & civilization.

 

[idklolimo]

 

[idklolimo]

 

[Kurdquistador]

nonsense

 

[idklolimo]

nonsense

 

[Kurdquistador]

"the war of the armenoids"

what kind of troll is that guy

man is there something like a troll tree which gives lots of troll fruit or something . or are these trolls some kind of mushrooms shooting up from the ground

kill them !!!! death !!!!!

 

[Ben Dover]

I am not surprised that this guy calls himself the "Hebrew of Israel" or some shit like that