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post your Puntdnal K12 MODERN calculator results

Ben Dover

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Which region is encoded in the Near East component? Is it basically SW Asian component of this calc?
 

Tyaraya

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Yes, the 'jews' from north and and SE are considered to be mountain jews, the ones that inhabit Azerbaijan are azeri jews but they are the same people.

Azeri/mountain jews are descended from groups of Iranian Jews that migrated to North Caucasus in 5th century AC and later spread from there to Azerbaijan.

Georgian Jews migrated to Georgia from Mesopotamia around 27 centuries ago
Thanks for the info.
Is it recorded if Georgian Jews migrated from Northern or Southern Mesopotamia?
 

Ben Dover

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Thanks for the info.
Is it recorded if Georgian Jews migrated from Northern or Southern Mesopotamia?
If they migrated during the babylonian captivity then it mean that they migrated from southern mesopotamia. If they migrated during assyrian captivity then they migrated from Northern mesopotamia. What difference does it make?
 

Tyaraya

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@chinshen can you post your results?
puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle results:

puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

#
Population
Percent
1​
Caucasus_HG
40.8​
2​
Anatolian_NF
33.04​
3​
Near_East
17.91​
4​
European_HG
3.46​
5​
South_Asian
2.91​
6​
Amerindian
0.9​
7​
South_African_HG
0.53​
8​
East_Asian
0.37​
9​
Oceanian
0.08​

Single Population Sharing:

#
Population (source)
Distance
1​
Assyrian
1.93​
2​
Iranian_Jew
3.31​
3​
Georgian_Jew
5.96​
4​
Armenian
6.9​
5​
Druze
7.11​
6​
Iraqi_Jew
7.27​
7​
Turkish_Kayseri
7.45​
8​
Turkish_Trabzon
8.44​
9​
Laz
8.99​
10​
Kurdish
10.34​
11​
Turkish
10.8​
12​
Cypriot
11.08​
13​
Iranian
11.24​
14​
Syrian
12.41​
15​
Lebanese
13.24​
16​
Palestinian
13.67​
17​
Jordanian
15.33​
18​
Turkish_Aydin
16.73​
19​
Kumyk
17.9​
20​
Ashkenazi_Jew
18.64​

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#
Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1​
94%​
Iranian_Jew+
6%​
Czech@
1.41​
2​
94.2%​
Iranian_Jew+
5.8%​
Scottish_West@
1.41​
3​
93.5%​
Iranian_Jew+
6.5%​
Hungarian@
1.41​
4​
94%​
Iranian_Jew+
6%​
Dutch_North@
1.42​
5​
94.1%​
Iranian_Jew+
5.9%​
German_North@
1.42​
6​
94.6%​
Iranian_Jew+
5.4%​
Icelandic@
1.42​
7​
92.6%​
Iranian_Jew+
7.4%​
Croatian@
1.43​
8​
84%​
Assyrian+
16%​
Armenian@
1.43​
9​
94.4%​
Iranian_Jew+
5.6%​
Norwegian@
1.43​
10​
93.9%​
Iranian_Jew+
6.1%​
English_South@
1.44​
11​
93.4%​
Iranian_Jew+
6.6%​
Dutch_South@
1.45​
12​
94.1%​
Iranian_Jew+
5.9%​
Irish@
1.45​
13​
94.6%​
Iranian_Jew+
5.4%​
Swedish@
1.45​
14​
94.8%​
Iranian_Jew+
5.2%​
Belarusian@
1.46​
15​
91.2%​
Iranian_Jew+
8.8%​
Bulgarian@
1.47​
16​
94%​
Assyrian+
6%​
Georgian@
1.48​
17​
95.2%​
Iranian_Jew+
4.8%​
Estonian@
1.48​
18​
93.7%​
Iranian_Jew+
6.3%​
Utahn_European@
1.49​
19​
92.9%​
Iranian_Jew+
7.1%​
Romanian@
1.5​
20​
95.3%​
Iranian_Jew+
4.7%​
Lithuanian@
1.51​
 

Tyaraya

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If they migrated during the babylonian captivity then it mean that they migrated from southern mesopotamia. If they migrated during assyrian captivity then they migrated from Northern mesopotamia. What difference does it make?
It shouldn't make much difference.
Georgian Jews being the closest genetically speaking to Assyrians, I was just wondering whether in ancient times you had mixed with Northern Mesopotamians (Assyrians) or Southern Mesopotamians (Babylonians) which would probably make you genetically closer to Mandaeans.
Wouldn't that also tell if your ancestry came from the the Northern Kingdom of Israel or the Southern one.
 
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Ben Dover

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It shouldn't make much difference.
Georgian Jews being the closest genetically speaking to Assyrians, I was just wandering whether in ancient times you had mixed with Northern Mesopotamians (Assyrians) or Southern Mesopotamians (Babylonians) which would probably make you genetically closer to Mandaeans.
I am not certain about what kind of mesopotamians the ancestors of georgians jews mixed with but they also seem to have additional caucasus admix that other mesopotamians such as assyrians,mandeans and mizrahi jews even including mountain jews lack
 

Ben Dover

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@vengeance what I am about to post is unrelated to puntdnal k12 calc but what do you think is the person's ethnicity who gets a mixed mode like this on Eurogenes K15?(btw Eurogenes K15 is the best calc in terms of the quality of its mixed mode)

#
Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1​
50.1%​
Abhkasian+
49.9%​
Lebanese_Muslim@
1.9​
2​
55.1%​
Georgian+
44.9%​
Lebanese_Muslim@
2.35​
3​
61.6%​
Georgian+
38.4%​
Lebanese_Christian@
2.44​
4​
67.1%​
Georgian_Jewish+
32.9%​
Georgian@
2.57​
5​
55.8%​
Assyrian+
44.2%​
Georgian@
2.57​
6​
62.6%​
Georgian+
37.4%​
Lebanese_Druze@
2.69​
7​
63.3%​
Georgian+
36.7%​
Samaritan@
2.7​
8​
52.3%​
Georgian+
47.7%​
Iranian_Jewish@
2.71​
9​
58.6%​
Abhkasian+
41.4%​
Samaritan@
2.81​
10​
56.8%​
Abhkasian+
43.2%​
Lebanese_Christian@
2.84​
11​
53%​
Georgian+
47%​
Kurdish_Jewish@
2.88​
12​
71.7%​
Georgian_Jewish+
28.3%​
Abhkasian@
2.92​
13​
74.4%​
Georgian_Jewish+
25.6%​
North_Ossetian@
2.98​
14​
57.9%​
Abhkasian+
42.1%​
Lebanese_Druze@
3.01​
15​
60.8%​
Assyrian+
39.2%​
Abhkasian@
3.02​
16​
60.2%​
Abhkasian+
39.8%​
Palestinian@
3.13​
17​
73.4%​
Georgian_Jewish+
26.6%​
Ossetian@
3.21​
18​
65%​
Georgian+
35%​
Palestinian@
3.22​
19​
71.6%​
Georgian_Jewish+
28.4%​
Adygei@
3.26​
20​
52.6%​
Abhkasian+
47.4%​
Syrian@
3.32​
 

idklolimo

Well-known member
@vengeance what I am about to post is unrelated to puntdnal k12 calc but what do you think is the person's ethnicity who gets a mixed mode like this on Eurogenes K15?(btw Eurogenes K15 is the best calc in terms of the quality of its mixed mode)

#
Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1​
50.1%​
Abhkasian+
49.9%​
Lebanese_Muslim@
1.9​
2​
55.1%​
Georgian+
44.9%​
Lebanese_Muslim@
2.35​
3​
61.6%​
Georgian+
38.4%​
Lebanese_Christian@
2.44​
4​
67.1%​
Georgian_Jewish+
32.9%​
Georgian@
2.57​
5​
55.8%​
Assyrian+
44.2%​
Georgian@
2.57​
6​
62.6%​
Georgian+
37.4%​
Lebanese_Druze@
2.69​
7​
63.3%​
Georgian+
36.7%​
Samaritan@
2.7​
8​
52.3%​
Georgian+
47.7%​
Iranian_Jewish@
2.71​
9​
58.6%​
Abhkasian+
41.4%​
Samaritan@
2.81​
10​
56.8%​
Abhkasian+
43.2%​
Lebanese_Christian@
2.84​
11​
53%​
Georgian+
47%​
Kurdish_Jewish@
2.88​
12​
71.7%​
Georgian_Jewish+
28.3%​
Abhkasian@
2.92​
13​
74.4%​
Georgian_Jewish+
25.6%​
North_Ossetian@
2.98​
14​
57.9%​
Abhkasian+
42.1%​
Lebanese_Druze@
3.01​
15​
60.8%​
Assyrian+
39.2%​
Abhkasian@
3.02​
16​
60.2%​
Abhkasian+
39.8%​
Palestinian@
3.13​
17​
73.4%​
Georgian_Jewish+
26.6%​
Ossetian@
3.21​
18​
65%​
Georgian+
35%​
Palestinian@
3.22​
19​
71.6%​
Georgian_Jewish+
28.4%​
Adygei@
3.26​
20​
52.6%​
Abhkasian+
47.4%​
Syrian@
3.32​
KURD
 

Kurdquistador

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@vengeance what I am about to post is unrelated to puntdnal k12 calc but what do you think is the person's ethnicity who gets a mixed mode like this on Eurogenes K15?(btw Eurogenes K15 is the best calc in terms of the quality of its mixed mode)

#
Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1​
50.1%​
Abhkasian+
49.9%​
Lebanese_Muslim@
1.9​
2​
55.1%​
Georgian+
44.9%​
Lebanese_Muslim@
2.35​
3​
61.6%​
Georgian+
38.4%​
Lebanese_Christian@
2.44​
4​
67.1%​
Georgian_Jewish+
32.9%​
Georgian@
2.57​
5​
55.8%​
Assyrian+
44.2%​
Georgian@
2.57​
6​
62.6%​
Georgian+
37.4%​
Lebanese_Druze@
2.69​
7​
63.3%​
Georgian+
36.7%​
Samaritan@
2.7​
8​
52.3%​
Georgian+
47.7%​
Iranian_Jewish@
2.71​
9​
58.6%​
Abhkasian+
41.4%​
Samaritan@
2.81​
10​
56.8%​
Abhkasian+
43.2%​
Lebanese_Christian@
2.84​
11​
53%​
Georgian+
47%​
Kurdish_Jewish@
2.88​
12​
71.7%​
Georgian_Jewish+
28.3%​
Abhkasian@
2.92​
13​
74.4%​
Georgian_Jewish+
25.6%​
North_Ossetian@
2.98​
14​
57.9%​
Abhkasian+
42.1%​
Lebanese_Druze@
3.01​
15​
60.8%​
Assyrian+
39.2%​
Abhkasian@
3.02​
16​
60.2%​
Abhkasian+
39.8%​
Palestinian@
3.13​
17​
73.4%​
Georgian_Jewish+
26.6%​
Ossetian@
3.21​
18​
65%​
Georgian+
35%​
Palestinian@
3.22​
19​
71.6%​
Georgian_Jewish+
28.4%​
Adygei@
3.26​
20​
52.6%​
Abhkasian+
47.4%​
Syrian@
3.32​

Armenian
 

Ben Dover

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I've posted eurogenes k12b results of the person who gets this mixed mode results. He isn't Armenian but he is a Geo Jew-Georgian mixed. I wouldn't say that he is as much as 1/2 Georgian because he gets too low geo jew+ abkhazian or geo jew+ georgian percentages but I think he could be 3/4 geo jew and 1/4 georgian like myself but his georgian side might be from svaneti since he gets a bit more than 25% georgian and abkhazian when mixed with geo jewish.
 

Kurdquistador

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if i am not wrong some Kurds also get modelled as Georgian + Levantine on some calcs etc btw

in any case we very often get modelled as Lebanese + Lezgin , or Iranian Jew + Kumyk etc
 
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