post your G25 EUROPEAN NEOLITHIC CALCULATOR VERSION 2 BY DAVIDE results

[Kurdquistador]

this is my result :

i removed Kura Araxes for me btw

Target: cs_scaled
Distance: 2.5691% / 0.02569128

27.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
25.4 Aegean_Neolithic
18.2 Levant_ISR_C
17.0 Yamnaya
9.4 Caucasus_Maykop
2.4 Han
0.2 Nganassan


here :

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[Nassbean]

Target: Nassbean
Distance: 2.3337% / 0.02333719
26.4 MAR_Taforalt
25.6 Iberia_Pirenei_N_(WesternNeolithic_o)
15.2 Levant_ISR_C
12.0 Yamnaya
8.6 EasternNeolithic
7.2 Yoruba
3.6 Aegean_Neolithic
1.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

 

[idklolimo]

Target: Nassbean
Distance: 2.3337% / 0.02333719
26.4 MAR_Taforalt
25.6 Iberia_Pirenei_N_(WesternNeolithic_o)
15.2 Levant_ISR_C
12.0 Yamnaya
8.6 EasternNeolithic
7.2 Yoruba
3.6 Aegean_Neolithic
1.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Very good results

 

[Hispania]

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.4595% / 0.02459501

38.6 Yamnaya
25.8 WesternNeolithic
19.0 Iberia_Pirenei_N_(WesternNeolithic_o)
13.0 EasternNeolithic
3.2 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 Han

 

[Kurdquistador]

up

this is the best fit i got so far for a neolithic modelling . but i am guessing that maykop is not neolithic

 

[Kurdquistador]

when i remove Maykop which i think swallows some Aegean Med i get this :

Target: vengeance_scaled
Distance: 2.9486% / 0.02948619

43.4 Aegean_Neolithic
32.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
18.4 Yamnaya
3.8 Natufian
2.2 Han


i am very med . on gedmatch also

 

[Kurdquistador]

the Aegean Med i get is Catalhöyük Keramic

TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic:__BC__6550_6150__k3,0.096749667,0.177717667,-0.008422333,-0.119295667,0.031800333,-0.057358333,-0.001488333,-0.017999333,0.021202333,0.061960333,0.014560667,0.004196333,-0.016551,0.007752667,-0.031396667,-0.027932,0.003955,0.001140333,0.019818333,-0.013673333,-0.011563,0.008738,-0.004354667,0.006225667,-0.007464333


its distances to modern pops

Spoiler

Target: TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic:__BC__6550_6150__k3
Distance: 8.2483% / 0.08248253

51.0 Sardinian
47.2 Samaritan
1.8 Yemenite_Ma'rib

Distance to:	TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic:__BC__6550_6150__k3
0.10634713	Romaniote_Jew
0.10712138	Sephardic_Jew
0.10725165	Italian_Jew
0.10821507	Tunisian_Jew
0.11044447	Cypriot
0.11138568	Greek_Dodecanese
0.11358468	Libyan_Jew
0.11367915	Italian_Calabria
0.11445134	Greek_Deep_Mani
0.11477747	Sicilian_East
0.11487758	Greek_Kos
0.11507724	Italian_Campania
0.11508738	Sardinian
0.11598406	Ashkenazi_Germany
0.11641078	Samaritan
0.11683768	Maltese
0.11702982	Moroccan_Jew
0.11705803	Lebanese_Christian
0.11733139	Italian_Apulia
0.11832711	Italian_Basilicata
0.11964993	Greek_Crete
0.12138033	Syrian_Jew
0.12316250	Italian_Abruzzo
0.12334723	Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.12343343	Sicilian_West

 

[Kurdquistador]

i am sooooo happy with my results and with the results of Kurds in general . and also very happy about our looks too

i love Med which as you can see i have around 40%

i love Iran N or WCA (k12b)

yamnaya is cool too and i got a decent amount of it

i think we people of turkey are one of the most beautiful peoples tbh

sorry if this sounds arrogant . thats not my goal . but i am really happy to be who i am

 

[Nassbean]

i am sooooo happy with my results and with the results of Kurds in general . and also very happy about our looks too

i love Med which as you can see i have around 40%

i love Iran N or WCA (k12b)

yamnaya is cool too and i got a decent amount of it

i think we people of turkey are one of the most beautiful peoples tbh

sorry if this sounds arrogant . thats not my goal . but i am really happy to be who i am

These results are in contradiction with the other you posted so don't take this too seriously If you go by a more accurate and simple model based on old aDNA proxies you'll get more natufian, less "aegean neolithic" or whatever that means and less yamnaya. If I'm not mistaken maykop is actually needed in your case since it includes your CHG ancestry.

 

[Kurdquistador]

These results are in contradiction with the other you posted so don't take this too seriously If you go by a more accurate and simple model based on old aDNA proxies you'll get more natufian, less "aegean neolithic" or whatever that means and less yamnaya. If I'm not mistaken maykop is actually needed in your case since it includes your CHG ancestry.

nope

it is very similar to my other results

aegean med = balkans neolithic , also catalhöyük which works best for me . it is like barcin N . Catalhöyük Keramic works best for me from all neolithic med pops

however my Barcin score is also around 39 % otherwise in other models

i included CHG in the model but for some reason it didnt give me any . but dont forget that yamnaya has CHG in it

but yes my natufian is rather 7-8 as i said in another thread

this model gives me the best fit so far from all neolithic models . and it is legit . i dont understand why you try to cockblock me from it ? . i score what i score . i post my results and they are what they are . haters gonna hate ?

 

[Kurdquistador]

Target: vengeance_scaled
Distance: 4.1007% / 0.04100675

39.0 Barcin_N
34.6 Iran_N
11.0 CHG
7.4 Natufian
5.8 EHG
2.2 Mongoloid

 

[Nassbean]

nope

it is very similar to my other results

aegean med = balkans neolithic , also catalhöyük which works best for me . it is like barcin N . Catalhöyük Keramic works best for me from all neolithic med pops

however my Barcin score is also around 39 % otherwise in other models

i included CHG in the model but for some reason it didnt give me any . but dont forget that yamnaya has CHG in it

but yes my natufian is rather 7-8 as i said in another thread

this model gives me the best fit so far from all neolithic models . and it is legit . i dont understand why you try to cockblock me from it ? . i score what i score . i post my results and they are what they are . haters gonna hate ?

Try this model :

Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Devils_Gate_Cave,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0096995

Average kurdish result :


Target: Kurdish
Distance: 2.6827% / 0.02682663
33.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
32.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
12.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.0 GEO_CHG
8.8 Levant_Natufian
0.2 Devils_Gate_Cave

 

[Kurdquistador]

Try this model :

Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Devils_Gate_Cave,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0096995

Average kurdish result :


Target: Kurdish
Distance: 2.6827% / 0.02682663
33.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
32.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
12.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.0 GEO_CHG
8.8 Levant_Natufian
0.2 Devils_Gate_Cave

Target: fuckeeeer_scaled
Distance: 3.6958% / 0.03695783

35.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
34.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.0 Levant_Natufian
6.0 GEO_CHG
2.0 Devils_Gate_Cave


but Catalhöyük Ceramik N works best . it does swallow a little natufian (and also some CHG or Iran N iirc) but at the same time when you model catalhöyük with Barcin + some Natufian and CHG/Iran N you dont get a good fit .

i posted the modern pops for catalhöyük in a post above . check it out . i think it is the best population for our ANF genes

 

[Kurdquistador]

look

the Barcin N in the model you just gave me is more west med shifted . while the catalhöyük is balanced between east med and west med

Target: TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic:__BC__6550_6150__k3
Distance: 8.2483% / 0.08248253
51.0 Sardinian
47.2 Samaritan
1.8 Yemenite_Ma'rib


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Target: Anatolia_Barcin_N
Distance: 7.0799% / 0.07079949
77.8 Sardinian
22.2 Samaritan




when you model catalhöyük using natufian and the barcin you gave then you get this :

Target: Anatolia_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic:__BC__6550_6150__k3
Distance: 4.5996% / 0.04599638
82.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
11.2 Levant_Natufian
6.0 GEO_CHG



but as you see the fit is not that good . but when you model tepecik ciftlik like that the fit would be better . which means that the catalhöyük has some natufian SHIFT compared to the barcin of you but it is also not giving a good fit which means it is rather of "east med" nature rather than natufian



Target: TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
Distance: 2.2553% / 0.02255260
78.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
10.4 Levant_Natufian
8.6 GEO_CHG
2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

 

[Nassbean]

Target: fuckeeeer_scaled
Distance: 3.6958% / 0.03695783

35.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
34.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.0 Levant_Natufian
6.0 GEO_CHG
2.0 Devils_Gate_Cave


but Catalhöyük Ceramik N works best . it does swallow a little natufian (and also some CHG or Iran N iirc) but at the same time when you model catalhöyük with Barcin + some Natufian and CHG/Iran N you dont get a good fit .

i posted the modern pops for catalhöyük in a post above . check it out . i think it is the best population for our ANF genes

catalhöyük has more natufian ancestry if I remember correctly

 

[Kurdquistador]

catalhöyük has more natufian ancestry if I remember correctly

i explained it above

i think it has some natufian in it but it is rather some "shift" and it is rather more "east mediterranean" shifted than actual natufian since the fit is not good when you model it with the barcin you gave

i dont know how to explain what i mean lol

 

[Nassbean]

i explained it above

i think it has some natufian in it but it is rather some "shift" and it is rather more "east mediterranean" shifted than actual natufian since the fit is not good when you model it with the barcin you gave

i dont know how to explain what i mean lol

The fit isn't that good because of a more complex background but it surely has more natufian ancestry than Barcin_N and that's not simply a shift or "east med" which make sense since it's geographically closer to the middle east.

Anyway barcin_N is still good since it better reflects your middle eastern ancestry but even by replacing it with what you propose the results don't change much :

Target: Kurdish
Distance: 2.6277% / 0.02627717
37.2 TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic
33.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
16.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.2 GEO_CHG
5.4 Levant_Natufian
0.2 Devils_Gate_Cave

 

[Kurdquistador]

it does have more natufian no doubt

but what i mean is that the barcin is more like 3/4 western mediterranoid and the catalhöyük is more half half

tepecik ciftlik can be modelled with a good fit using barcin + natufian and some chg . but catalhöyük doesnt get a good fit .

and yes it doesnt make a BIG change ...thats what i said from the beginning because our barcin score is almost as much . but i think catalhöyük is better because it has more of the eastern mediterranean flavor ^_^

 

[Nassbean]

it does have more natufian no doubt

but what i mean is that the barcin is more like 3/4 western mediterranoid and the catalhöyük is more half half

tepecik ciftlik can be modelled with a good fit using barcin + natufian and some chg . but catalhöyük doesnt get a good fit .

and yes it doesnt make a BIG change ...thats what i said from the beginning because our barcin score is almost as much . but i think catalhöyük is better because it has more of the eastern mediterranean flavor ^_^

I also think that historically kurds probably derive much of their ANF ancestors from a tepecik/catalhoyuk source instead of barcin same could be said about most people in the middle east with such type of admixture.

 

[Kurdquistador]

the barcin you gave in the model has some WHG shift when you use catalhöyük to model it

the fit is not that good and only a small improvement from the distance of these 2 to each other but still


Target: Anatolia_Barcin_N
Distance: 4.8220% / 0.04821963
94.2 TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic
5.8 WHG


Distance to: Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.05696115 TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic



and if we use catalhöyük for us instead of barcin our EHG goes up !!!

usually i get 6% when i use barcin but now 9.2% !!!

Target: fuckeeeeer_scaled
Distance: 3.4374% / 0.03437390
46.4 Anatolia_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic
34.8 Iran_N
9.2 EHG
5.6 CHG
2.0 Natufian
1.4 Mongoloid
0.6 AASI


the barcin seems to hide some of our EHG/WHG