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[idklolimo]

Looks legit..

Target: Corduene_scaled
Distance: 2.0484% / 0.02048405
56.4 Tajikistan_Ksirov_Kushan
33.2 Ancient_Israelite
8.2 Bronze_Age_Assyrian
1.8 EastAsia
0.4 SSA

Target: Fuckerz_scaled
Distance: 2.8108% / 0.02810825
53.8 Armenia_BA
33.4 Bronze_Age_Assyrian
12.8 Ancient_Israelite

Target: fenasi_Scaled
Distance: 2.5623% / 0.02562332
42.4 Tajikistan_Ksirov_Kushan
36.2 Bronze_Age_Assyrian
13.2 Ancient_Israelite
6.6 Armenia_BA
1.6 Arabia_Modern

The bronze age Assyrian example itself is modeled as 1/3 Bedouin lol so it's a mixed component. Ancient Israelite examples are mostly Bedouin + a little bit like Mediterranean.

 

[Ben Dover]

on the other hand very NWA paleo-neolithic model

Target: Fuckerz_scaled
Distance: 3.7263% / 0.03726296
37.4 EEF_Balkan_N
29.6 Caucasus_HG
23.6 Iran_N
9.2 Natufian_HG
0.2 Amerindian

 

[Ben Dover]

The bronze age Assyrian example itself is modeled as 1/3 Bedouin lol so it's a mixed component. Ancient Israelite examples are mostly Bedouin + a little bit like Mediterranean.

I don't like these bronze age iron age models man. they are shit and they are extremely easily manipulated. you can go from scoring 0% something to scoring 50% of the same thing by adjusting very little things to the model. I guess only qpAdm's Iron age bronze age modelings are somewhat worthy of taking seriously but even then I am still doubtful about certain things. anyway fuck bronze age iron age shit

 

[Kurdquistador]

Looks legit..

Target: Corduene_scaled
Distance: 2.0484% / 0.02048405
56.4 Tajikistan_Ksirov_Kushan
33.2 Ancient_Israelite
8.2 Bronze_Age_Assyrian
1.8 EastAsia
0.4 SSA

Target: Fuckerz_scaled
Distance: 2.8108% / 0.02810825
53.8 Armenia_BA
33.4 Bronze_Age_Assyrian
12.8 Ancient_Israelite

Target: fenasi_Scaled
Distance: 2.5623% / 0.02562332
42.4 Tajikistan_Ksirov_Kushan
36.2 Bronze_Age_Assyrian
13.2 Ancient_Israelite
6.6 Armenia_BA
1.6 Arabia_Modern

nonsense lol

 

[Kurdquistador]

I don't like these bronze age iron age models man. they are shit and they are extremely easily manipulated. you can go from scoring 0% something to scoring 50% of the same thing by adjusting very little things to the model. I guess only qpAdm's Iron age bronze age modelings are somewhat worthy of taking seriously but even then I am still doubtful about certain things. anyway fuck bronze age iron age shit

neolithic - mesolithic area is king . because with those you have minimal components eating up each other n shit

 

[Ben Dover]

Another day another post curryfying Iran_N. These idiots never seem to run out. Just responded to someone who claims that Iran_N would have been brown and south asian looking because pakistani baloch are also brown and south asian looking. He also said that Iran_N was 11% AASI neglecting to mention that it had 11% AASI drift compared to CHG but not an actual admixture..i think he is referring to that qpAdm modeling where Iran_N is 11% onge

 

[idklolimo]

@Corduene

How genetically homogeneous are the Kurds? For example, I have a 1/4 or 1/8 Arabian mix genetically. If I were to give an example from other Kurds; Can there be Kurds genetically who can be 1/4 Georgian,1/4 Armenian 1/4 Circassian and 1/4 Turk?(Should we accept these people as Kurds?)

If Kurds are a genetically homogeneous group, to which ethnicity should they be genetically close?

 

[Kurdquistador]

@Corduene

How genetically homogeneous are the Kurds? For example, I have a 1/4 or 1/8 Arabian mix genetically. If I were to give an example from other Kurds; Can there be Kurds genetically who can be 1/4 Georgian,1/4 Armenian 1/4 Circassian and 1/4 Turk?(Should we accept these people as Kurds?)

If Kurds are a genetically homogeneous group, to which ethnicity should they be genetically close?

Kurds are pretty homogenous .

i dont understand your question much . there will be Kurds who "shift" a little to those ethnicities mostly because those people are nearby peoples and overlap with Kurds to begin with .

Kurds are genetically closest to northwest Iranians such as Talysh for example .

but Kurds are also genetically similar to other NWA including Pontic Greeks for example . this fact is not known much since Kurds are exotified and trolled beyond limits .

Kurds are genetically basically non curryoid north Persians with a Balkan and/or EuroMed islander shift

 

[Ben Dover]

Isn't the distance between kurdish and pontic greek averages 0.055 or so. Don't know the exact number. Kurds are as close to pontic greeks as they are to eastern georgians iirc

 

[idklolimo]

Kurds are pretty homogenous .

So is this limited to Kurds in Turkey or do you also include those in Iran Kurds and Syria/Iraq Kurds?

i dont understand your question much . there will be Kurds who "shift" a little to those ethnicities mostly because those people are nearby peoples and overlap with Kurds to begin with .

So, which ethnicity do you see as genetically close to the Turkey Kurds?

Kurds are genetically closest to northwest Iranians such as Talysh for example .

What ethnicity other than non-Iranian speakers could be close to Kurds?

but Kurds are also genetically similar to other NWA including Pontic Greeks for example . this fact is not known much since Kurds are exotified and trolled beyond limits .

I'm not sure about that.

Kurds are genetically basically non curryoid north Persians with a Balkan and/or EuroMed islander shift

Does this only apply to Kurds in Turkey?

 

[Ben Dover]

If you are 1/4 arab wouldnt that make your father as much as 1/2 arab. Your father looked like a normal person from his area from what I recall after seeing the pictures you posted of him. he doesnt look 1/2 arab

 

[idklolimo]

If you are 1/4 arab wouldnt that make your father as much as 1/2 arab. Your father looked like a normal person from his area from what I recall after seeing the pictures you posted of him. he doesnt look 1/2 arab

I'm speaking based on DNA results.

 

[Ben Dover]

I'm speaking based on DNA results.

but in most calculators you come out as 1/8 levantine or 1/8 turkey arab etc

 

[idklolimo]

@Corduene

What do you think?

average Kurdish example's ethnicity distances:

Distance to:    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish
0.01336581    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iran_Kordestan
0.01422505    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iraq
0.01493620    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Zaza_Tunceli
0.01600365    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Syria_Al-Hasakah
0.01663104    Persian:Persian_Tehran
0.02210782    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Syria_Qamishli
0.02216481    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Feyli
0.02288754    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iran_West_Azerbaijan_Urmia
0.02294628    Persian:Persian_Isfahan
0.02390773    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iran_Kermanshah
0.02574242    Persian:Persian_Fars
0.02697690    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Azerbaijan
0.02794165    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran
0.02797893    Anatolia:Turkish_Southeast_simulated
0.02875259    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_Zanjan
0.02990503    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_East_Erzurum
0.03113978    Persian:Persian_Fars_Shiraz
0.03185220    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Syria
0.03192517    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Turkey
0.03339362    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_East_Azerbaijan_Tabriz
0.03390716    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_East_Malatya
0.03413630    Persian:Persian
0.03423589    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_Tehran
0.03620106    North_Mesopotamia:Assyrian_Iran_o
0.03760829    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Armenian_Syunik
0.03797981    Persian:Persian_Tehran_o
0.03807349    North_Caucasus:Azeri_Dagestan
0.03839480    Iraq:Iraqi_Arab_West_(Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.03996422    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_East_Gaziantep
0.04009959    North_Mesopotamia:Assyrian_Turkey
0.04018843    Mizhrahim:Georgian_Jew
0.04166753    Central_Asia_Turkic:Turkmen_o
0.04181978    Anatolia:Turkish_Adana
0.04212239    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_Al-Hasakah_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.04239879    Anatolia:Turkish_Kayseri
0.04359121    North_Mesopotamia:Assyrian_Chaldean_Catholic_Iraq
0.04391483    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Georgian_Meskhian
0.04409472    North_Mesopotamia:Assyrian_Iran
0.04435317    Iraq:Iraqi_Arab_West_(Irano-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.04478435    North_Mesopotamia:Assyrian_Iraq
0.04505094    Mizhrahim:Iranian_Jew
0.04593471    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Armenian_Yerevan
0.04655184    Iraq:Iraqi_Arab_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.04723081    Anatolia:Turkish_Istanbul
0.04753039    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Armenian_Erzurum
0.05054473    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Armenian
0.05078251    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Georgian_Kakhetian
0.05087505    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Armenian_Kars
0.05145403    Anatolia:Turkish_Central
0.05175187    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.05238965    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Georgian_Kartlian
0.05338046    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_Aleppo_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.05534465    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_East_Gumushane
0.05542207    Mizhrahim:Kurdish_Jew
0.05548838    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Armenian_Hemsheni
0.05577395    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_Meskheti
0.05588867    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.05589388    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Muslim_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.05646821    Persian:Persian_Khorasan
0.05733551    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_Deir_ez-Zor_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.05757990    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Georgian_Khevsurian
0.05761926    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_Trabzon
0.05889624    Anatolia:Turkish_Central-Black_Sea_simulated
0.06082946    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Greek_Pontus
0.06195499    North_Caucasus:Kumyk
0.06227633    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_Idlib_(Levantine_Profile)
0.06332373    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_Rize
0.06504330    Syro-Lebanese:Alawite_Turkey
0.06507984    Anatolia:Greek_Cappadocia_Kaisareia
0.06709249    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Muslim_Shia_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.06809643    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Georgian_Adjarian
0.06833523    Anatolia:Turkish_North
0.06867552    North_Caucasus:Ingushian
0.06867731    Anatolia:Greek_Cappadocia
0.06918980    Syro-Lebanese:Druze_Lebanon
0.06929218    Aegan_Islanders:Turkish_Dodecanese
0.06975393    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
0.07003879    Syro-Lebanese:Druze_Israel
0.07028909    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_(Levantine_Profile)
0.07031120    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Muslim
0.07083623    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Muslim_Shia_(SSA-Mixed_Profile)
0.07085952    Iraq:Iraqi_Arab_(Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile)
0.07123151    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Abkhasian
0.07174454    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_Aleppo_(Levantine_Profile)
0.07200527    North_Caucasus:Chechen
0.07200709    North_Caucasus:Karachay
0.07210835    North_Caucasus:Kabardin
0.07235643    North_Caucasus:Adygei
0.07254240    Anatolia:Turkish_South
0.07266136    North_Caucasus:Circassian
0.07286435    Cyprus:Turkish_Cyprus
0.07295330    Iraq:Iraqi_Arab_South_(Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile)
0.07385529    North_Caucasus:North_Ossetian
0.07391175    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Georgian_Imeretian
0.07444005    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni
0.07453169    North_Caucasus:Cherkes
0.07554761    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_Damascus
0.07565663    Mizhrahim:Syrian_Jew
0.07572138    North_Caucasus:Balkar
0.07620325    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Christian_Melkite

 

[idklolimo]

There may also be people of 1/4 Georgian origin-3/4 Kurdish or 1/4 Arab-3/4 Kurdish origin, which may be far from this average Kurdish sample. Do you think this Kurdish sample represents the average of Kurds?

As you can see, my genetic distance from the Georgian Jews and the Kurdish example is almost the same. So should I consider myself mostly Iranian Jew + some North Caucasian/some Iranian Bandari, or mostly Kurdish + some Samaritan/Bedouin?

My distance from the average Kurdish sample and other NWA ethnicities:

Distance to:    fenasi_scaled
0.03119319    Mizhrahim:Iranian_Jew
0.03208178    North_Mesopotamia:Assyrian_Turkey
0.03242101    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iraq
0.03253339    Iraq:Iraqi_Arab_West_(Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.03297283    North_Mesopotamia:Assyrian_Iraq
0.03325935    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish
0.03536510    Mizhrahim:Georgian_Jew
0.03544519    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_Al-Hasakah_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.03555882    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Syria_Qamishli
0.03654775    North_Mesopotamia:Assyrian_Chaldean_Catholic_Iraq
0.03709138    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Armenian_Syunik
0.03745208    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Zaza_Tunceli
0.03788087    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iran_Kordestan
0.03937192    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_East_Erzurum
0.03984789    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Syria_Al-Hasakah
0.04077447    Persian:Persian_Tehran
0.04244270    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Armenian_Erzurum
0.04266711    Anatolia:Turkish_Southeast_simulated
0.04281256    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Turkey
0.04303715    Iraq:Iraqi_Arab_West_(Irano-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.04347524    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Armenian_Yerevan
0.04369399    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Armenian_Kars
0.04374702    Iraq:Iraqi_Arab_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.04444358    North_Mesopotamia:Assyrian_Iran
0.04475834    Mizhrahim:Kurdish_Jew
0.04524048    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iran_West_Azerbaijan_Urmia
0.04599943    Persian:Persian
0.04613882    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Armenian
0.04621289    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Feyli
0.04633234    Persian:Persian_Fars
0.04696147    Persian:Persian_Isfahan
0.04763631    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_Aleppo_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.04768946    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Iran_Kermanshah
0.04807296    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.04840798    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.04895723    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Muslim_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.04930574    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Azerbaijan
0.04939709    North_Mesopotamia:Assyrian_Iran_o
0.04979526    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran
0.04989164    Persian:Persian_Fars_Shiraz
0.05025519    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Georgian_Meskhian
0.05045990    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_Zanjan
0.05396757    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_Deir_ez-Zor_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.05404114    North_Mesopotamia:Kurdish_Syria
0.05439111    Anatolia:Turkish_Kayseri
0.05476139    Persian:Persian_Tehran_o
0.05491595    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_East_Malatya
0.05563911    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_East_Azerbaijan_Tabriz
0.05645702    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_East_Gumushane
0.05650098    Anatolia:Turkish_Adana
0.05665306    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Azeri_Iran_Tehran
0.05707458    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_Trabzon
0.05842495    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Muslim_Shia_(Syrio-Mesopotamian_Profile)
0.05855139    Syro-Lebanese:Druze_Lebanon
0.05879935    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_Idlib_(Levantine_Profile)
0.05880706    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Armenian_Hemsheni
0.05886793    Syro-Lebanese:Alawite_Turkey
0.05928640    Anatolia:Greek_Cappadocia_Kaisareia
0.05941118    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Greek_Pontus
0.05978902    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_East_Gaziantep
0.05991435    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Georgian_Kartlian
0.06018250    North_Caucasus:Azeri_Dagestan
0.06061493    Syro-Lebanese:Druze_Israel
0.06123327    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Muslim_Shia_(SSA-Mixed_Profile)
0.06138182    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Muslim
0.06142856    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Georgian_Kakhetian
0.06169621    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
0.06214276    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_(Levantine_Profile)
0.06368493    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_Meskheti
0.06396773    Anatolia:Turkish_Istanbul
0.06420281    Central_Asia_Turkic:Turkmen_o
0.06434587    Egyptian_Jewish:Karaite_Egypt
0.06464648    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni
0.06561913    Iraq:Iraqi_Arab_(Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile)
0.06606437    Anatolia:Turkish_Central
0.06675103    Anatolia:Greek_Cappadocia
0.06678297    Mizhrahim:Syrian_Jew
0.06687900    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
0.06710018    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Turkish_Rize
0.06752899    Cyprus:Turkish_Cyprus
0.06783528    Aegan_Islanders:Greek_Lycaonia_Ikonio
0.06792487    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Christian_Greek_Orthodox
0.06823100    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_Aleppo_(Levantine_Profile)
0.06904893    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Christian_Melkite
0.06970253    Iraq:Iraqi_Arab_South_(Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile)
0.07034839    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_Damascus
0.07059989    Syro-Lebanese:Lebanese_Christian
0.07282362    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Georgian_Khevsurian
0.07292853    Anatolia:Turkish_Central-Black_Sea_simulated
0.07469976    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Georgian_Adjarian
0.07571267    Aegan_Islanders:Turkish_Dodecanese
0.07575435    Syro-Lebanese:Syrian_(Mesopotamian_Arab_Profile)
0.07590049    Cyprus:Greek_Cyprus
0.07722937    South_Levant:Palestinian_Christian
0.07782722    South_Levant:Jordanian_(Christian_Profile)
0.07829122    Persian:Persian_Khorasan
0.07956844    Cyprus:Greek_Cyprus_(Lebanese_Christian_Maronite_Profile)
0.08116476    East_Anatolia_&_South_Caucasus:Georgian_Imeretian
0.08146508    Ashkenazi:Ashkenazi_Jew_Latvia
0.08175689    Aegan_Islanders:Greek_Dodecanese_Rhodes

 

[Kurdquistador]

So is this limited to Kurds in Turkey or do you also include those in Iran Kurds and Syria/Iraq Kurds?

i mean all Kurds . except some atypical Kurds from Iraq and Iran who score 6-7 % s-indian . (not sure if they are mixed with gypos or are just outliers) .

So, which ethnicity do you see as genetically close to the Turkey Kurds?

northwest Iranians as i said . also Azeris . but all northern west asians are similar

What ethnicity other than non-Iranian speakers could be close to Kurds?

do you mean which non iranian ethnicities ?

all northern west asians are

I'm not sure about that.

it is true . there are differences but not big ones .

Does this only apply to Kurds in Turkey?

not sure . but it applies ESPECIALLY for Kurds from Turkey

 

[Kurdquistador]

Isn't the distance between kurdish and pontic greek averages 0.055 or so. Don't know the exact number. Kurds are as close to pontic greeks as they are to eastern georgians iirc

i dont care that much about G25 distances . because they exeggerate some things . Latvians and Irish are at a distance of 10.3 or some shit . even though they are similar people lookwise and both north europeans

but yes eastern Georgians are fairly similar to Kurds too . but no population is genetically as close to us as northwest iranians are . funnily enough Turkey Kurds IMO look closer to east Georgians than to many northwest iranians even

 

[Kurdquistador]

There may also be people of 1/4 Georgian origin-3/4 Kurdish or 1/4 Arab-3/4 Kurdish origin, which may be far from this average Kurdish sample. Do you think this Kurdish sample represents the average of Kurds?

what do you mean ?

As you can see, my genetic distance from the Georgian Jews and the Kurdish example is almost the same. So should I consider myself mostly Iranian Jew + some North Caucasian/some Iranian Bandari, or mostly Kurdish + some Samaritan/Bedouin?

how can you question what you should consider yourself when you already know what you are ? you are Kurdish with 1/8 Arab ancestry

 

[idklolimo]

what do you mean ?

This bald historian says that the ethnogenesis of the Kurds is mixed and that they generally do not have homogeneous genetics/ phenotypes. Could this bald historian be right? Also, he definitely doesn't think the same about Zazas. He says Zazas are a completely different ethnicity or race from Kurds LMAO

 

[Kurdquistador]

well i surely will not watch the 41 minutes

i dont care what he says . if there is an ethnicity that misportrays Kurds and claims nonsense about Kurds it is : Turks