off topic chat thread

[Ben Dover]

Never use Leavnt_PPNB/PPNC in the neolithic/eneolithic models together with ANF and Natufian.

Target: Levant_PPNB
Distance: 3.4906% / 0.03490601
53.2 Levant_10KYA
46.8 Anatolia_Greece_10KYA

Target: Levant_PPNC
Distance: 4.2333% / 0.04233278
51.8 Levant_10KYA
48.2 Anatolia_Greece_10KYA

 

[Ben Dover]

"Ben size taarruz emretmiyorum. Ölmeyi emrediyorum."

“Hagianesti! Gel de ordularını kurtar!”​

Gazi Mustafa Kemal Paşa

👏

 

[Nassbean]

Why does Achraf Hakimi's father look "europoidal"? Is he of European origin? But he mother looks almost completely black
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Because some moroccans are black (either due to slavery or indigenous southern moroccans)

 

[Nassbean]

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If we accept that Hakimi's father is purely Moroccan, is he considered atypical in Morocco?

no he's typical for berber moroccans

 

[Nassbean]

Achraf hakimi?

no his father

 

[KARABOĞA]

is hakimi typical? he looks stereotypical moroccan to me.

 

[Nassbean]

is hakimi typical? he looks stereotypical moroccan to me.

no he looks too ssa shifted and has a black mother

Stereotypical moroccan would be this :

 

[Ben Dover]

@Nassbean do you consider yourself and other North Africans to be people of color?

 

[Nassbean]

@Nassbean do you consider yourself and other North Africans to be people of color?

I consider myself north african/moroccan/maghrebi and don't subscribe to any american ethnic label bs

what about you ?

 

[Ben Dover]

I consider myself north african/moroccan/maghrebi and don't subscribe to any american ethnic label bs

It is a racial concept which encompasses terms such as brown, black etc. it's not just an american ethnic label.

what about you ?

I consider myself and my people to be people of color. I don't have the authority to say the same about North Africans or other groups of non-white people.

 

[Nassbean]

It is a racial concept which encompasses terms such as brown, black etc. it's not just an american ethnic label.


I consider myself and my people to be people of color. I don't have the authority to say the same about North Africans or other groups of non-white people.

I don't know anyone either in Morocco or belgium/france that use "brown" as an ethnic category and I don't see why that kind of broad and subjective label should be used

 

[Ponto]

That guy freaks me out.

 

[Ponto]

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@Nassbean @Nassbean @Nassbean
If we accept that Hakimi's father is purely Moroccan, is he considered atypical in Morocco?

Why do you care? There are light and dark North Africans from the Maghreb to Egypt. Slavery was big business in the Mediterranean.

 

[Ponto]

I don't know anyone either in Morocco or belgium/france that use "brown" as an ethnic category and I don't see why that kind of broad and subjective label should be used

People of color is of American origin, it encompasses all the people who are not in the European/Caucasoid/White group and cannot pass. You don't have to use it, but in Europe where there are a lot of foreign and native Europe born North Africans, South Asians, sub Saharan Africans, East Asians and others, there are terms to distinguish those folk from the natives of the European countries. In Italian the word Moro means a Moor or a dark skinned person. Ludovico Sforza was called Il Moro because of his dark skin and suspicians of his origins. In Belgium, the French speakers were called Walloons because they were foreigners to the Germanic speakers.

 

[Nassbean]

People of color is of American origin, it encompasses all the people who are not in the European/Caucasoid/White group and cannot pass. You don't have to use it, but in Europe where there are a lot of foreign and native Europe born North Africans, South Asians, sub Saharan Africans, East Asians and others, there are terms to distinguish those folk from the natives of the European countries. In Italian the word Moro means a Moor or a dark skinned person. Ludovico Sforza was called Il Moro because of his dark skin and suspicians of his origins. In Belgium, the French speakers were called Walloons because they were foreigners to the Germanic speakers.

Yes but here there are no broad label that would put moroccans, turks, indians, lebanese, etc in the same category and historically north africans did not either identify as "white" or "brown" except in the far south in contact with the west african world where the term "baydan" is used as synonymous of white.

 

[Nassbean]

Do I look more Arab or Berber?
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you don't look either arab or berber

 

[Nassbean]

Can't I pass as a berber like Hakimi?

no and hakimi is only partially berber

 

[Nassbean]

Can I pass as a partially berber?

no

 

[Ponto]

Yes but here there are no broad label that would put moroccans, turks, indians, lebanese, etc in the same category and historically north africans did not either identify as "white" or "brown" except in the far south in contact with the west african world where the term "baydan" is used as synonymous of white.

Abjad/Bajda, mean white in Maltese. Yes your viewpoint is fair, it is just that it is how the rest of the world sees North Africans, Turks, Levantines, Arabians...that matters. I am Maltese, I don't care what Stormfronters or TheApeshow or anyone, even here, thinks about Maltese people, but I am aware of what is said and how Maltese people are placed in the racial boxes.

 

[Ponto]

Do I look more Arab or Berber?
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So sad looking. Try smiling.