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Kurdquistador

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by the way wait a minute .....if we believe qpAdm then it is not true that west Georgians have no Iran N . onyx modelled Georgians with qpAdm and they got around 28% Iran N

onyx modelled Georgian like this in qpAdm

Georgian = 39.7% Anatolian Farmer + 28.2% Iranian Farmer + 10.1% Samara_HG + 21.9% Kotias.
 

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Researchers sequenced the genome from the petrous bone of a 30-50 year old woman from Ganj Dareh, GD13a. mtDNA analysis shows that she belonged to Haplogroup X. She is phenotypically similar to the Anatolian early farmers and Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers. Her DNA revealed that she had black hair, brown eyes and was lactose intolerant. The derived SLC45A2 variant associated with light skin was not observed in GD13a, but the derived SLC24A5 variant which is also associated with the same trait was observed.[1]

GD13a is genetically closest to the ancient Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers identified from human remains from Georgia (Satsurblia Cave and Kotias Klde), while also sharing genetic affinities with the people of the Yamna culture and the Afanasevo culture. She belonged to a population that was genetically distinct from the Neolithic Anatolian farmers. In terms of modern populations, she shows some genetic affinity with the Baloch people, Makrani caste and Brahui people, in actuality they are the closest to modern Zoroastrians in Iran.
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Kurdquistador

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as i said before ....the balochs who look not influenced by AASI ....those west asianesque looking ones who are also lighter ....they are the best examples of how Iran N looked like

even though onyx said that Iran N doesnt work for balochs in qpAdm ....which is odd
 

Ben Dover

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Researchers sequenced the genome from the petrous bone of a 30-50 year old woman from Ganj Dareh, GD13a. mtDNA analysis shows that she belonged to Haplogroup X. She is phenotypically similar to the Anatolian early farmers and Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers. Her DNA revealed that she had black hair, brown eyes and was lactose intolerant. The derived SLC45A2 variant associated with light skin was not observed in GD13a, but the derived SLC24A5 variant which is also associated with the same trait was observed.[1]

GD13a is genetically closest to the ancient Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers identified from human remains from Georgia (Satsurblia Cave and Kotias Klde), while also sharing genetic affinities with the people of the Yamna culture and the Afanasevo culture. She belonged to a population that was genetically distinct from the Neolithic Anatolian farmers. In terms of modern populations, she shows some genetic affinity with the Baloch people, Makrani caste and Brahui people, in actuality they are the closest to modern Zoroastrians in Iran.
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Which also supports the fact that they were mostly CHG like woth south asian and SW Asian influence. South asian influence dominating over SWA influence.
 

Ben Dover

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as i said before ....the balochs who look not influenced by AASI ....those west asianesque looking ones who are also lighter ....they are the best examples of how Iran N looked like

even though onyx said that Iran N doesnt work for balochs in qpAdm ....which is odd
Baloch are more AASI than Iran_N was. If you take away excess AASI from baloch then you basically habe Iran_N at least visually speaking
 

Kurdquistador

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Which also supports the fact that they were mostly CHG like woth south asian and SW Asian influence. South asian influence dominating over SWA influence.

no ....it doesnt say anything about south asian influence

also when you model Iran N with CHG + natufian + aasi then natufian is bigger than assi
 

Ben Dover

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by the way wait a minute .....if we believe qpAdm then it is not true that west Georgians have no Iran N . onyx modelled Georgians with qpAdm and they got around 28% Iran N

onyx modelled Georgian like this in qpAdm

Georgian = 39.7% Anatolian Farmer + 28.2% Iranian Farmer + 10.1% Samara_HG + 21.9% Kotias.
It still doesn't make any sense why Georgians would be more Iran_N than CHG. But it is what it is I guess unless it's a shitty model and someone else has made a better one.
 

Kurdquistador

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Baloch are more AASI than Iran_N was. If you take away excess AASI from baloch then you basically habe Iran_N at least visually speaking

but onyx said iran n doesnt work for balochs on qpadm .

also baloch have EHG too on G25

i posted an iran n reconstruction . will post it here
 

Ben Dover

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@Raptor we once had a conversation about whether armenians have the levantine/natufian relative to the region they occupy. After running the models for armenians, do you still hold the same opinion that armenians are natufian/levantine shifted for southern south caucasus?
 

Kurdquistador

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@Raptor we once had a conversation about whether armenians have the levantine/natufian relative to the region they occupy. After running the models for armenians, do you still hold the same opinion that armenians are natufian/levantine shifted for southern south caucasus?

in comparison to georgians and north caucasian yes strongly so . compared to azeris not really
 

Ben Dover

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in comparison to georgians and north caucasian yes strongly so . compared to azeris not really
After running the models you'll see that their sole natifian component isn't higher than that of eastern georgians. It's about the same. But they have a lot of Iran_N which adds a bulk to their "southern" shift. It's not that they are any more natufian than georgians, but they have very low CHG for their region and high ANF making them shift towards levantines only because of that. Not because they have MORE natufian than Georgians.
 
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