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they literally themselves often prove they cant properly pray. some of the older men who spoke to some other muslims, the ones who are fathers to those kind of families where daughters dont cover themselves properly, cant even recite the necessary surahs to perform prayer. they smoke and drink alcohol too. some daughters even themselves claim to be apostates
''believing'' in allah isnt enough. you need to learn to pray too. its mandatory in islam. sorry, but islam isnt like christianity
you can pray, right
let God decide what is enough and what isnt
i dont belive in most hadiths btw
you sound like an extremist either way
this isnt hadiths, its just basic rules of islam.
even in quran it says women have to cover themselves. either way, speaking of hadiths, the most reliable hadiths would be from abu hanifa, the earliest scholar, who had direct contact with the descendants of the sahabas. it isnt like the hadiths of others that are corrupted. in his hadiths, women have to cover everything, except face and hands
this isnt being an extremist. sorry man, but if you cant even pray, even though you have time to learn that and you dont do that, then i dont see how one can be accepted to jannah
islam isnt christianity where youre just christian, and thats that. there are consequences
but you can pray, right
in quran as far as i know it doesnt say that women have to cover their hair
i dont believe in most hadiths either way . quran is the best hadith ....not what some persian men said hundreds of years after the prophet died . or do you drink camel piss ? do you want ex muslims to be killed ?😀
it is funny how so many muslims say to people they will go to hell .
you do your thing and leave others do theirs ok...
the only persian scholar i trust is abu hanifa, not the others, especially not bukhari. abu hanifa was in middleeast and had direct contact to the descendants of sahabas that learned from their ancestors. he isnt compareable to the others. he was born 100 years after the prophet, not later compared to other scholars, who werent even in arabia
no i dont believe we should drink camel piss. thats again claim from bukhari, who also claimed the prophet married aisha at 6
yes, you go to hell if you dont learn to pray, even though you have the time and dont do that. its mandatory in islam. islam isnt christianity
people can do what they wanna do, but they end up in hell if they dont take time to learn to pray. its that simple
but i dont care, you can do what you wanna do
i dont believe that . again ....typical again to tell others they will go to hell . so peaceful and open minded . people who read it will want to learn islam for sure
but on what do you base your claim anyway
Surah 11 Hud, Ayat 114-114
And establish the Prayer at the two ends of the day and in the first hours of the night.113 Indeed the good deeds drive away the evil deeds. This is a Reminder to those who are mindful of Allah.
Surah 50 Qaf Ayat 39; , "Therefore, O Prophet (saws), bear with patience whatever they say, and keep up glorifying your Lord with his praise, before sunrise and before sunset. And glorify Him again in the night and also when are free from prostrations."
god straight up command us to worship him. if we dont worship him, we clearly end up in hell for not following this important command
lol bro come on now ....it doesnt say anything about hell
that is a big problem in the islam community . people interpret surahs their way and then spread it to people and forcing it on them
it is like those muslims who say watching tv is haram because there are naked women and other things on tv which will trigger the desire to have sex and having sex outside of marriage is forbidden in quran....
that is a big problem in the islam community . people interpret surahs their way and then spread it to people and forcing it on them
it is like those muslims who say watching tv is haram because there are naked women and other things on tv which will trigger the desire to have sex and having sex outside of marriage is forbidden in quran....
it literally says that in these surahs
either way when god command you to do something, you do that. it isnt like christianity where you just go to church once a week and thats that. it isnt like that you just believe in jesus, but can commit all kind of sins, except example suicide and still end in heaven. yes, prayer is very important, and there are consequences in islam
theres not a problem with the educated sunni hanafi community or quranist community at least, theres something wrong with the likes of yourself who's too lazy to learn to pray. but yes, theres also something wrong with muslims who never question or critisize any hadiths, especially the ones from bukhari
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bro i am not saying that praying is not important . but i dont believe that God will send you to hell for not praying . and the surahs for my understanding dont say that . but in the end only Allah knows and we all can only hope to go to paradise .
but we dont need to discuss further . to each their own .
but we dont need to discuss further . to each their own .
''bUt i dOnT bEleEve tHaT GOd wiLL sEnD yOu tO hElL fOr nOt pRaYinG''
74:42 What has landed you in Hell?”
They will reply, “We were not of those who prayed,
''When it is said to them: “Bow down (before Allah),” they do not bow down.26 (77:49) Woe on that Day to those that give the lie to the Truth! (77:50) In what discourse after this (Qur'an) will they, then, believe?''
sounds a lot like you will end up in hell, if you dont follow this command from allah, along with others
dude, youre being delusional. if you dont wanna spend time on praying, just say so. allah ask you simple things which he doesnt need, but a real muslim has to follow this command along with others
but we can agree to disagree
Nassbean
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same here all iranians I knew were not muslim, drink, hang out only with euros, etc
i noticed shias are always the first ones to ditch their religion and become christians or atheists. its often them. from hazaras to persians
"we were not of those who prayed" to me means that they were the shirk people or other kind of people maybe evil ones or whatever . those who pray = people who believe and worship Allah
stop telling people they will go to hell . this can not be something good to do in Gods "eyes"
i also didnt say that i wont pray in the future anyway . but i am an ill person so it is already hard enough for me to do normal tasks in life
yes, WORSHiP
thats strictly including prayer. dont make mental gymnastics here
rest of surah
''They will reply, “We were not of those who prayed, nor did we feed the poor. We used to indulge ˹in falsehood˺ along with others, and deny the Day of Judgment,''
actual prayer is clearly in there. dont make up this ''hurr durr, they also were sent to hell for other reasons''.
yes, choosing not to pray sends you to hell. prayer is absoloutly that important. muslims dont randomly pray for nothing, as if god's commands dont mean much. by that logic, we can treat all gods commands like nothing, and we wont be sent to hell
also, in the screenshot, the last surah clearly refers to prayer as salah
''and when its said to them prostrate yourselves, and they do not so. ah woe that day, to the rejecters of truth''
it clearly says that people who dont pray, will be questioned on judgement that, and they have much coming to them. clearly hell
yes, its bad if i say people go to hell just for personal insults. but it isnt if its to remind people they can go to hell not following god's most important commands. thats how islam is
dude, its fine if you cant even recite the surahs for prayer, including salaatu-witr. then pray the way you can, if youre not capeable. but that only works if you truly cant pray for mental reasons. god knows everything. if anyone is capeable of learning to pray, and perform prayer, but dont, then theyre going to answer for their sins.
islam isnt christianity where you just ''believe'' but also act after god's commands
Dude, why are you harassing the guy?
Do you even read/write/speak/understand Arabic to understand your religion?
im not harassing him, im just reminding him that not choosing to pray can lead you to hell, if youre healthy enough. i even say that if he has issues praying and cant recite surahs, nor learn them, then he can at least just pray the way he best can without any difficulty. example like people with broken legs, or people who cant memorise the surahs for the salaat. then just pray their own way, still trying best to emulate actual prayer. god will still accept that, since he knows his creations have it hard
i cant understand or speak arabic yet, but i can read it. however im not super religious, but im just telling him basics. its basics for every muslim to perform salaat, and its basic knowledge that we all know prayer is mandatory, both shia and sunnis. its lil crazy you guys think im strict, when im not at all. i have been recieved islamic education though, not professional levels. just basics
if you think im ''extremist'', then go to rural sunni villages of afg or syria, then you'll see REAL strict islam
Nassbean
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Idk if this linked to shi'ism but I've always felt like iranians even in their home country have always been kind of secular but pretend they aren't because of the oppressive regime (I've seen countless of posts made by them that pushed me to believe this)