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Northern Filipinos vs southern Filipino? What’s the difference phenotypically and genetically
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Turkic Warrior
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I think our friend basilisk can explain this better
Northern filipinos are more likely to be closer to pure austronesian(taiwanese aboriginals), southern filipinos have mainland southeast asian admixture, like austroasiatic
My ancestors are southern filipinos, my dna says i havd dai admixture, dai are ususally found in southern china, laos, thailand, and vietnam
My ancestors are southern filipinos, my dna says i havd dai admixture, dai are ususally found in southern china, laos, thailand, and vietnam
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Ezio1
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Can you post some examples for both.
Maybe you can make one picture for both with example faces. One of southern Filipino and one of northern Filipinos
Southern Philippines has substantially more Papuan and Dravidian admixture, while Northern Philippines has less. (You can see it in the phenotype too)
Average Papuan admixture in Northern Philippines is only around 2-5%, while Southern Philippines can have over 10-15% Papuan and over 10% Dravidian DNA too.
Northern Philippines has more Han-like admixtures ranging from 15-25% on average... also some Japanese input in there too based on the DNA results I've seen.
Note: Austronesians themselves and their homeland in Southern China are theorized to have descended from Hoabinhians/Australoids as well probably mixing with Mongoloid-like peoples to form the base Austronesian component which is now stabilized.
The real East Asian component is the Yellow River farmer DNA and various Siberian populations' DNA... Though the country of China is mixed with Austronesian and Austro-Asiatic components as well depending on location. The Yellow River farmer DNA is the dominant component in China though.
Here's a very good article on East Asian DNA: https://magazine.richmond.edu/artic...pe-of-people-who-first-settled-east-asia.html
And an admixture chart:
Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/srep14375
Average Papuan admixture in Northern Philippines is only around 2-5%, while Southern Philippines can have over 10-15% Papuan and over 10% Dravidian DNA too.
Northern Philippines has more Han-like admixtures ranging from 15-25% on average... also some Japanese input in there too based on the DNA results I've seen.
Note: Austronesians themselves and their homeland in Southern China are theorized to have descended from Hoabinhians/Australoids as well probably mixing with Mongoloid-like peoples to form the base Austronesian component which is now stabilized.
The real East Asian component is the Yellow River farmer DNA and various Siberian populations' DNA... Though the country of China is mixed with Austronesian and Austro-Asiatic components as well depending on location. The Yellow River farmer DNA is the dominant component in China though.
Here's a very good article on East Asian DNA: https://magazine.richmond.edu/artic...pe-of-people-who-first-settled-east-asia.html
And an admixture chart:
Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/srep14375
Werent the samples taken from these studies taken from ethnic minorities, as far as I know it wasnt from lowland filipinos.Southern Philippines has substantially more Papuan and Dravidian admixture, while Northern Philippines has less. (You can see it in the phenotype too)
Average Papuan admixture in Northern Philippines is only around 2-5%, while Southern Philippines can have over 10-15% Papuan and over 10% Dravidian DNA too.
Northern Philippines has more Han-like admixtures ranging from 15-25% on average... also some Japanese input in there too based on the DNA results I've seen.
Note: Austronesians themselves and their homeland in Southern China are theorized to have descended from Hoabinhians/Australoids as well probably mixing with Mongoloid-like peoples to form the base Austronesian component which is now stabilized.
The real East Asian component is the Yellow River farmer DNA and various Siberian populations' DNA... Though the country of China is mixed with Austronesian and Austro-Asiatic components as well depending on location. The Yellow River farmer DNA is the dominant component in China though.
Here's a very good article on East Asian DNA: https://magazine.richmond.edu/artic...pe-of-people-who-first-settled-east-asia.html
And an admixture chart:
Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/srep14375
BEcause a filipino with known aeta grandparents showed 13% melanesian in his 23andme
Im southern filipino and i dont score higher then 3% austra
My illustrative DNA
My 23andme
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Southern filipino
Beabadoobee(Beatrice Laus) is from Iloilo, my father's hometown
Northern filipina( she is a tiktoker from Ilocos)
Here's a woman from Bohol's DNA.land results:
I've also seen a Filipino's Gedmatch results with over 10% Oceanian admix in the calculators
Gedmatch results of a northern filipino from Ilocos
puntDNAL K15 (Gedmatch calculator):
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 E_Asian 81.58
2 S_Indian 7.31
3 Oceanian 3.87
4 Caucasian 1.57
5 NE_European 1.48
6 Mediterranean 1.39
7 Amerindian 1.16
8 W_African 0.47
9 Beringian 0.45
10 Horn_Of_Africa 0.3
11 Wht_Nile_River 0.22
12 S_African 0.2
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Vietnamese 5
2 Thai 7.62
3 Chinese 11.42
4 Cambodian 12.44
5 Japanese 18.43
6 Burmese 21.58
7 Mongolian 45.25
8 Hazara 52.59
9 Uyghur 54.1
10 Turkmen 67
11 Koryak 68.63
12 Uzbek 74.54
13 Nogai 76.34
14 Bashkir 78.13
15 Tadjik 80.24
16 Romani 82.88
17 Burusho 84.1
18 Tatar 85.73
19 Turk_Aydin 86.17
20 Yemeni 86.77
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.1% Cambodian + 39.9% Japanese @ 2.98
2 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.12
3 95.8% Vietnamese + 4.2% Greek_Central @ 3.13
4 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Romanian @ 3.13
5 95.5% Vietnamese + 4.5% Romani @ 3.14
6 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Bulgarian @ 3.14
7 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Chechen @ 3.16
8 96% Vietnamese + 4% Lezgin @ 3.16
9 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Greek_Athens @ 3.17
10 96% Vietnamese + 4% Serbian @ 3.17
11 96% Vietnamese + 4% Tuscan @ 3.17
12 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Mexican @ 3.2
13 95.8% Vietnamese + 4.2% Balkar @ 3.2
14 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 3.2
15 96.1% Vietnamese + 3.9% Italian @ 3.22
16 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% North_Ossetian @ 3.22
17 96% Vietnamese + 4% Sicillian @ 3.23
18 96.2% Vietnamese + 3.8% Slovenian @ 3.23
19 96.2% Vietnamese + 3.8% French @ 3.23
20 95.9% Vietnamese + 4.1% Kumyk @ 3.23
Gedmatch of a southern filipino from Visayas
puntDNAL K15 Oracle results:
puntDNAL K15 OracleAdmix Results (sorted):
# | Population | Percent |
1 | E_Asian | 80.42 |
2 | S_Indian | 10.16 |
3 | Oceanian | 4.68 |
4 | Siberian | 2.05 |
5 | Omo_River | 1.19 |
6 | W_African | 0.82 |
7 | Mediterranean | 0.41 |
8 | S_African | 0.15 |
9 | Amerindian | 0.09 |
10 | Beringian | 0.05 |
Single Population Sharing:
# | Population (source) | Distance |
1 | Filipino | 3.59 |
2 | Cambodian | 4.03 |
3 | Vietnamese | 5.69 |
4 | Singaporean | 7.51 |
5 | Chinese | 12.97 |
6 | Japanese | 18.06 |
7 | Burmese | 19.8 |
8 | Mongolian | 44.06 |
9 | Uyghur | 58.38 |
10 | Hazara | 58.75 |
11 | Koryak | 67.44 |
12 | Uzbek | 72.57 |
13 | Turkmen | 75.33 |
14 | Nogai | 76.5 |
15 | Bashkir | 78.71 |
16 | Somali_Benadiri | 80.8 |
17 | Tadjik | 81.49 |
18 | Burusho | 82.45 |
19 | Romani | 83.31 |
20 | Pashtun | 83.82 |
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# | Primary Population (source) | Secondary Population (source) | Distance | |||||
1 | 57.5% | Vietnamese | + | 42.5% | Singaporean | @ | 1.78 | |
2 | 71.4% | Singaporean | + | 28.6% | Japanese | @ | 2.22 | |
3 | 94.7% | Vietnamese | + | 5.3% | Paniya | @ | 2.3 | |
4 | 94.7% | Vietnamese | + | 5.3% | Malayan | @ | 2.34 | |
5 | 64.2% | Singaporean | + | 35.8% | Chinese | @ | 2.46 | |
6 | 94.8% | Vietnamese | + | 5.2% | North_Kannadi | @ | 2.46 | |
7 | 94.7% | Vietnamese | + | 5.3% | Sakilli | @ | 2.47 | |
8 | 61.8% | Cambodian | + | 38.2% | Vietnamese | @ | 2.51 | |
9 | 94.7% | Vietnamese | + | 5.3% | Tamil_Nadu_SC | @ | 2.53 | |
10 | 94.8% | Vietnamese | + | 5.2% | Uttar_Pradesh_SC | @ | 2.57 | |
11 | 94.8% | Vietnamese | + | 5.2% | Kanjar | @ | 2.68 | |
12 | 94.8% | Vietnamese | + | 5.2% | Tharus | @ | 2.7 | |
13 | 85.9% | Cambodian | + | 14.1% | Japanese | @ | 2.76 | |
14 | 94.6% | Vietnamese | + | 5.4% | Bengali | @ | 2.78 | |
15 | 94.7% | Vietnamese | + | 5.3% | Tamil_Nadu_Brahmin | @ | 2.82 | |
16 | 94.7% | Vietnamese | + | 5.3% | UP_Muslim | @ | 2.82 | |
17 | 76.3% | Filipino | + | 23.7% | Singaporean | @ | 2.87 | |
18 | 94.8% | Vietnamese | + | 5.2% | UP_Brahmin | @ | 2.9 | |
19 | 58.7% | Filipino | + | 41.3% | Cambodian | @ | 3.11 | |
20 | 80.4% | Vietnamese | + | 19.6% | Burmese | @ | 3.11 |
I don't have her pic sorry..
And the best calculator I found for Filipinos is DNA Genics' "WorldWide Modern Civilizations" and "Aetas Antiquas".... but I deleted my DNA Genics account yesterday because I want to take a break from DNA studies LOL.... but i might sign up again at a later time with upgraded account
The first one are actually MY results LOL
The second one is my results