My g25 results (Moroccan)

[Nassbean]

That's my K12b component list:





And sorry, guys, I don't mean to sound dismissive, but who cares about what's European or not. I'd rather be Scythian-Alanic rather than European.

here my dodecad k12b in comparison :

 

[Kurdquistador]

How can it be "european" if it peaks among non-europeans ? And genetically I'm more european than georgians but it doesn't mean I'm "borderline" european. Here an example :

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and we both know gedmatch isn't accurate especially for north africans but ok here my k12b results :

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the concept of "european" is blurry to begin with . many europeans have Anatolia N in high amounts yet modern day Anatolia is seen as not belonging to europe .and we west asians and also you score a big amount of Anatolia N . therefore we have to be careful with this "this is european " or "this is not european"

fact of the matter is that georgians are NOT middle eastern . they are northern west asian people BUT the CHG has a shift to EHG / WHG itself and as I said many europeans have Caucasus admix . you also just need to look at how georgians look to see that they are european-oid people

and all this gedmatch bashing since the existence of g25 is very annoying . gedmatch did a good job and still does a good job . people who used gedmatch the whole time but mock it now are like people who will leave their best friend for a new "friend" because he is rich or something

eurogenes k12b is a very good calc . and georgians score 80% of the same components there that many europeans also do .

and as you see your total ssa score here is 19% . however you would probably need to subtract a few percent due to the east african component being possibly part caucasoid

your real score is probably around 10 - 14% or so

 

[Kurdquistador]

I don't have that one, is there one that is similar?

just go to gedmatch and go to eurogenes and then eurogenes k12b . you can do it !

 

[Nassbean]

the concept of "european" is blurry to begin with . many europeans have Anatolia N in high amounts yet modern day Anatolia is seen as not belonging to europe . therefore we have to be careful with this "this is european " or "this is not european"

fact of the matter is that georgians are NOT middle eastern . they are northern west asian people BUT the CHG has a shift to EHG / WHG itself and as I said many europeans have Caucasus admix . you also just need to look at how georgians look to see that they are european-oid people

and all this gedmatch bashing since the existence of g25 is very annoying . gedmatch did a good job and still does a good job . people who used gedmatch the whole time but mock it now are like people who will leave their best friend for a new "friend" because he is rich or something

eurogenes k12b is a very good calc . and georgians score 80% of the same components there that many europeans also do .

and as you see your total ssa score here is 19% . however you would probably need to subtract a few percent due to the east african component being possibly part caucasoid

your real score is probably around 10 - 14% or so

That's dishonest : modern anatolians are not similar to neolithic anatolians/EEF that's why genetically they are not considered european and this EEF component peaks among modern day south europeans not anatolians.

Georgians are not part of the middle east that's true (which is a geopolitical term that does not include georgians) but they are not european either and I disagree about georgians looking european. They clearly look foreign and overlap more with armenians, azeris and turks than anything else.

and gedmatch is inaccurate because it doesn't have any taforalt sample and studies already made it clear that taforalt can't be modelled as 1/3 SSA

and east africans are around 40-45% west eurasian so if we follow your logic I'm around 11-12% "SSA" even if that was true it has no impact on my phenotype at all

Also I want to add that no matter the ssa% We're still similar to late N/copper age north africans while most mediterraneans can't say the same about their ancestors

 

[Kurdquistador]

That's dishonest : modern anatolians are not similar to neolithic anatolians/EEF that's why genetically they are not considered european and this EEF component peaks among modern day south europeans not anatolians.

Georgians are not part of the middle east that's true (which is a geopolitical term that does not include georgians) but they are not european either and I disagree about georgians looking european. They clearly look foreign and overlap more with armenians, azeris and turks than anything else.

and gedmatch is inaccurate because it doesn't have any taforalt sample and studies already made it clear that taforalt can't be modelled as 1/3 SSA

and east africans are around 40-45% west eurasian so if we follow your logic I'm around 11-12% "SSA" even if that was true it has no impact on my phenotype at all

not dishonest . we west asians and also you score a big chunk of Anatolia N . and it doesnt matter that it peaks in modern day europeans because it came from anatolia so going by logic one could say that it is not european since it came outside of the "european border" . and again : we west asians also score a big chunk of it

calling CHG a middle eastern component even though it comes from georgia and peaks in georgians ...THAT is nonsense

georgians look very close to europeans and a decent portion of georgians pass easily as europeans . there is overlap between northern west asia and europe to begin with including armenians , kurds , turks etc. . but georgians are among the most euro looking west asians

and as I told you if we look at the components georgians score that is no surprise since around 80% of the components they score is also scored in a decent amount by many euros


let me show you what I mean with an example


this is Georgian footballer Valeri Qazaishvili


he was born in Ozgurgeti - Guria . so I am assuming he is Gurian

if he is then he would probably have similar eurogenes k12b results as this kit that is apperently from Guria

the name of the kit is "Gurian"

and now take a look at the results of an Albanian

as you see the albanian scores just like the georgian west european , caucasus , mediterranean etc,

count the score and you will see that the georgian scores 80% of the components that the albanian also scores in a decent amount

 

[Nassbean]

not dishonest . we west asians and also you score a big chunk of Anatolia N . and it doesnt matter that it peaks in modern day europeans because it came from anatolia so going by logic one could say that it is not european since it came outside of the "european border" . and again : we west asians also score a big chunk of it

calling CHG a middle eastern component even though it comes from georgia and peaks in georgians ...THAT is nonsense

georgians look very close to europeans and a decent portion of georgians pass easily as europeans . there is overlap between northern west asia and europe to begin with including armenians , kurds , turks etc. . but georgians are among the most euro looking west asians

and as I told you if we look at the components georgians score that is no surprise since around 80% of the components they score is also scored in a decent amount by many euros

let me show you what I mean with an example
this is Georgian footballer Valeri Qazaishvili
he was born in Ozgurgeti - Guria . so I am assuming he is Gurian
if he is then he would probably have similar eurogenes k12b results as this kit that is apperently from Guria

the name of the kit is "Gurian"
and now take a look at the results of an Albanian
as you see the albanian scores just like the georgian west european , caucasus , mediterranean etc,

count the score and you will see that the georgian scores 80% of the components that the albanian also scores in a decent amount

Ok let's agree on this : CHG appeared outside europe in the caucasus mountains and it peaks among non-europeans so how could it be "european" ?

And if this man looks european then easily half of the middle east is "euro" looking ...anyway if this guy told me his name was david kasparian or mehmet suçuk I would have trusted him

and take a look again at my eurogenes k12b I'm more similar to the albanian than this georgian it still doesn't make me european

These people don't look european It's obvious :

 

[Kurdquistador]

well you have ssa . your african score on eurogenes k12b is 19% . while the georgian has none . if you didnt have that it would be different

and as I said west asians have overlap with europe to begin with . we are close to 100% west eurasian / caucasian and west eurasians score many of the same components just in different proportions

Valeri Qazaishvili and also the kids in the video can pass as europeans . as a group georgians look often somewhat different from europeans but they still look similar to euros

and I just gave you the reason above using eurogenes k12b and valeri qazaishvili as an example

and again CHG is from georgia which is arguably europe even . CHG was also part of Steppe which euros score dont forget that


edit : btw. you dont score more european than the georgian . the "caucasus" component can be considered european . as you can see the Albanian scores 20%

 

[Kurdquistador]

btw. I think I have found something interesting

here a modelling for you that I did .

Target: Nassbean_scaled Distance: 3.5536% / 0.03553609
46.4	TUR_Barcin_N
28.0	MAR_Taforalt
9.0	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
6.2	WHG
6.2	Yoruba
4.2	Levant_PPNC

the Taforalt after I removed north african pops gets this

Target: MAR_Taforalt Distance: 27.1869% / 0.27186861
77.0	Ethiopian_Afar
7.8	Spanish_Canarias
7.8	Yemenite_Mahra
4.2	Mandenka
1.6	Luzon
1.0	Koinanbe
0.6	Eskimo_Sireniki

Target: MAR_Taforalt Distance: 27.6518% / 0.27651825
49.2	Rendille
32.0	Yemenite_Mahra
8.4	Spanish_Canarias
7.4	Mandenka
2.0	Luzon
0.8	Eskimo_Sireniki
0.2	Papuan

dont focus on the big distances

it means that it is a ssa related component

it is similar to the AASI that south asians have being related to australoids despite having big distances

 

[Nassbean]

well you have ssa . your african score on eurogenes k12b is 19% . while the georgian has none . if you didnt have that it would be different

and as I said west asians have overlap with europe to begin with . we are close to 100% west eurasian / caucasian and west eurasians score many of the same components just in different proportions

Valeri Qazaishvili and also the kids in the video can pass as europeans . as a group georgians look often somewhat different from europeans but they still look similar to euros

and I just gave you the reason above using eurogenes k12b and valeri qazaishvili as an example

and again CHG is from georgia which is arguably europe even . CHG was also part of Steppe which euros score dont forget that


edit : btw. you dont score more european than the georgian . the "caucasus" component can be considered european . as you can see the Albanian scores 20%

Again this is dishonesty : I'm not 19% ssa even by taking ANA into account I'm less than that and this SSA was already there 5000 years ago in NA. Show me any modern anatolian that is similar to late N/copper age anatolians. And it still doesn't change the fact that I'm more similar to europeans than any georgian.

Go ahead and open topics about georgians on any forum you want and you'll see no european will consider them europeans genetically and phenotypically

I don't know what's up with all these west asians trying to make caucasians "europeans" it is not supported by any peer-reviewed paper. Anyway they are so european that they are not part of the european cluster lol

overlap is meaningless I can easily find a group of levantines, iranians or north africans that will overlap with europeans. To me georgians look west asian In a way similar to turks, armenians, kurds, azeris, etc

 

[Kurdquistador]

to show you what I mean by the things above

this is the eurogenes k12b of a sri lankan

and we know that sri lankans look obviously heavily australoid mixed

and here the result of an Australian Aborigine

look at the south asian score of the aborigine . since there is no oceanian component it will use the closest next component which is south asian in this calc

 

[Nassbean]

btw. I think I have found something interesting

here a modelling for you that I did .

Target: Nassbean_scaled Distance: 3.5536% / 0.03553609
46.4	TUR_Barcin_N
28.0	MAR_Taforalt
9.0	IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
6.2	WHG
6.2	Yoruba
4.2	Levant_PPNC

the Taforalt after I removed north african pops gets this

Target: MAR_Taforalt Distance: 27.1869% / 0.27186861
77.0	Ethiopian_Afar
7.8	Spanish_Canarias
7.8	Yemenite_Mahra
4.2	Mandenka
1.6	Luzon
1.0	Koinanbe
0.6	Eskimo_Sireniki

Target: MAR_Taforalt Distance: 27.6518% / 0.27651825
49.2	Rendille
32.0	Yemenite_Mahra
8.4	Spanish_Canarias
7.4	Mandenka
2.0	Luzon
0.8	Eskimo_Sireniki
0.2	Papuan

dont focus on the big distances

it means that it is a ssa related component

it is similar to the AASI that south asians have being related to australoids despite having big distances

Man don't start spreading nonsense like this pls these distances are bad even for me ...It's already well known that taforalt plot between modern north africans and east africans (they were mostly west eurasian around 72% dzudzuana-like) and craniometrically they were caucasoid.

This is taforalt :

 

[Kurdquistador]

Again this is dishonesty : I'm not 19% ssa even by taking ANA into account I'm less than that and this SSA was already there 5000 years ago in NA. Show me any modern anatolian that is similar to late N/copper age anatolians. And it still doesn't change the fact that I'm more similar to europeans than any georgian.

Go ahead and open topics about georgians on any forum you want and you'll see no european will consider them europeans genetically and phenotypically

I don't know what's up with all these west asians trying to make caucasians "europeans" it is not supported by any peer-reviewed paper. Anyway they are so european that they are not part of the european cluster lol

overlap is meaningless I can easily find a group of levantines, iranians or north africans that will overlap with europeans. To me georgians look west asian In a way similar to turks, armenians, kurds, azeris, etc

I dont know what you mean by dishonesty . I am just saying what I see . you get 19% ssa on eurogenes k12b and thats what I said . I am honest with everything

you are more european than georgians ? lol ok ....

well northern levantines and many iranians (except those who have elevated south asian or ssa . mostly southern / eastern iranians) have overlap with europeans . same is true for many coastal north africans . but not nearly as much as georgians

but we dont need to discuss this any further because it seems we will not agree

 

[Kurdquistador]

Man don't start spreading nonsense like this pls these distances are bad even for me ...It's already well known that taforalt plot between modern north africans and east africans (they were mostly west eurasian around 72% dzudzuana-like) and craniometrically they were caucasoid.

This is taforalt :

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the distance doesnt matter in this case because you will not see a non ssa overlapping people get such results

 

[Nassbean]

I dont know what you mean by dishonesty . I am just saying what I see . you get 19% ssa on eurogenes k12b and thats what I said . I am honest with everything

you are more european than georgians ? lol ok ....

well northern levantines and many iranians (except those who have elevated south asian or ssa . mostly southern / eastern iranians) have overlap with europeans . same is true for many coastal north africans . but not nearly as much as georgians

but we dont need to discuss this any further because it seems we will not agree

how can I get 19% ssa if east africans are 40-45% west eurasian ? You confuse geographical terms with the genetic ones and yes I'm around 60-65% similar to europeans going by aDNA while we can't say the same for georgians

 

[Kurdquistador]

georgians are 80% because as I said the caucasus component can be considered european since many euros like the albanians score a decent chunk (like the albanian scoring 20% )

but ok man whatever . nice talking to you as always

 

[Nassbean]

the distance doesnt matter in this case because you will not see a non ssa overlapping people get such results

It can actually happen depending on the model you use. And yes sure having 27 as distance is totally normal and means that taforalt was close to ethiopians.

 

[Nassbean]

georgians are 80% because as I said the caucasus component can be considered european since many euros like the albanians score a decent chunk (like the albanian scoring 20% )

but ok man whatever . nice talking to you as always

yes "80%" similar I can see that :

 

[Kurdquistador]

^ I was going by eurogenes k12b but if we use this then it is 90% because as I said the CHG can be considered european but that is up to debate . for sure it is not "middle eastern" .

if you really think you are more overlapping with europeans than georgians then I can not say anything anymore tbh.

but as I said it was nice talking to you

 

[Kurdquistador]

I have a hunch that Yamnaya_RUS_Caucasus will be above 0% for the Transcaucasians, like Georgians and Laz in your table, it makes sense they score 0% because they probably have no EHG, but their Steppe input wouldn't have come from Samara but rather through the Caucasus.

have you found the eurogenes k12b calc by now ? lol

 

[Nassbean]

I have a hunch that Yamnaya_RUS_Caucasus will be above 0% for the Transcaucasians, like Georgians and Laz in your table, it makes sense they score 0% because they probably have no EHG, but their Steppe input wouldn't have come from Samara but rather through the Caucasus.

alright let's try another model :



if you have any suggestion tell me