kurds and afghans do NOT look alike . compare and contrast

[Kurdquistador]

^ several of the guys in the video are lighter than me

but many are also darker

 

[Kurdquistador]

if you're so sure you aren't, why are you posting like 1,000 pictures of yourself next to a window to try to prove a point? lol

to prove a point

i am sure of it myself . i know who i am

and i dont take it as an insult either btw. .

i posted that pic next to a window because of better lightning . and i want to show how i look with outside lightning / sun etc

no problem man . you can think i am brown as fuck if you want .

i am not south asian like you so i dont obsess over pigmentation unlike south asians . i am fair and lovely enough for my taste

 

[Abestos1508]

^ several of the guys in the video are lighter than me

but many are also darker

Exactly, you'd fit in extremely well in Afghanistan and people would speak to you in the local languages. Afghans have the same skin tone ranges that Levantines have. They are slightly darker than Kurds, especially Turkish ones, but not by all that much.

 

[Abestos1508]

to prove a point

i am sure of it myself . i know who i am

and i dont take it as an insult either btw. .

i posted that pic next to a window because of better lightning . and i want to show how i look with outside lightning / sun etc

no problem man . you can think i am brown as fuck if you want .

i am not south asian like you so i dont obsess over pigmentation unlike south asians . i am fair and lovely enough for my taste

Maybe not next to Afghans, but next to Sicilians you def are

 

[Abestos1508]

To be honest to you. I am also a Kurd (Ezdi) and I would fit among them without any issues. They would think I am one of them. No irony. There is some overlap in appearance between Kurds and mostly Tajiks from Afghanistan for obvious reasons. But not sure if they would fit without issues among my people though. Most of them would not at all.

I don't understand why you think only Tajiks. Plenty of those people are Pashtuns, and Afghan Tajiks are essentially Persianized Pashtuns genetically speaking, though culturally and historically speaking, Tajiks have preserved the original dialect of Persian, unlike Iranian Persians.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Exactly, you'd fit in extremely well in Afghanistan and people would speak to you in the local languages. Afghans have the same skin tone ranges that Levantines have. They are slightly darker than Kurds, especially Turkish ones, but not by all that much.

your way of thinking is wrong

afghanistan has also gingers. does that mean that a ginger person fits extremely well in afghanistan ?

not saying that i am as out of place in afghanistan as a ginger . dont get me wrong . however many afghans are darker than me . and on top of it have different facial features which are even more important than pigmentation

there are also a decent amount of afghans who can look northern west asian btw. . i always said this

i am starting to think you are not understanding what i am trying to say

btw. i have met many afghans here in germany . they look different from me . clearly so

 

[Kurdquistador]

Maybe not next to Afghans, but next to Sicilians you def are

i dont understand why you talk about sicilians the whole time

i think you are trying to bait me to say certain things that the members of IR will not like and which will lead to conflicts between me and them . i am not stupid

my pigmentation is VERY typical for northern west asia . including cyprus . and also greece especially islands

my features too (but less typical in greece)

 

[Abestos1508]

your way of thinking is wrong

afghanistan has also gingers. does that mean that a ginger person fits extremely well in afghanistan ?

not saying that i am as out of place in afghanistan as a ginger . dont get me wrong . however many afghans are darker than me . and on top of it have different facial features which are even more important than pigmentation

there are also a decent amount of afghans who can look northern west asian btw. . i always said this

i am starting to think you are not understanding what i am trying to say

btw. i have met many afghans here in germany . they look different from me . clearly so

Afghans in Germany and Sweden are mostly ethnic minorities from Afghanistan, so no wonder they look different from you. I think Afghans in the UK and the USA are evenly split between Pashtuns/Tajiks and other groups though, but I'm not 100% sure. Afghan minorities tend to be overrepresented in the refugee population for obvious reasons.

You look close enough to Afghans that you'd fit in like a glove. My wife is Sicilian and looks euro-med more than you do (though she does have some darker looking features), and even she has been told she could pass as Afghan by my family members.

 

[Kurdquistador]

dude i am not stupid . i am not talking about hazaras or mixed people .

many afghans here are not ethnic minorities . many hazaras here too but i am not talking about them

typical afghan here looks like this afghan rapper :

you afghans place everybody in afghanistan . kurds , persians , levantines , sicilians , anybody

i dont look afghan . i know that i dont . no matter what you say

afghans who happen to look similar to me look west asian . not the other way around

 

[Abestos1508]

i dont understand why you talk about sicilians the whole time

i think you are trying to bait me to say certain things that the members of IR will not like and which will lead to conflicts between me and them . i am not stupid

my pigmentation is VERY typical for northern west asia . including cyprus . and also greece especially islands

my features too (but less typical in greece)

Greeks look white af and look very different from even Turkish people on average, but yes, the ones from the Islands have significant overlap with Kurds because of med phenotypes. But Kurds also have a lot of West Asian/Iranian Neolithic ancestry and some Central Asian steppe ancestry, and they share many phenotypes with Afghans because of that. Plenty of Afghans can look pseudo-med too. I think "passing" and having the exact types of an ethnicity are two different things. Passing simply means the natives would think you're one of them, and you don't have to match an ethnicity's common phenotypes 100% to pass. Many Afghans and Persians look pseudo-med because of their coloring and certain facial features, they same way many North Caucasus people look pseudo Central and Eastern Euro due to their coloring and certain facial features.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Greeks look white af and look very different from even Turkish people on average, but yes, the ones from the Islands have significant overlap with Kurds because of med phenotypes. But Kurds also have a lot of West Asian/Iranian Neolithic ancestry and some Central Asian steppe ancestry, and they share many phenotypes with Afghans because of that. Plenty of Afghans can look pseudo-med too. I think "passing" and having the exact types of an ethnicity are two different things. Passing simply means the natives would think you're one of them, and you don't have to match an ethnicity's common phenotypes 100% to pass. Many Afghans and Persians look pseudo-med because of their coloring and certain facial features, they same way many North Caucasus people look pseudo Central and Eastern Euro due to their coloring and certain facial features.

man what is this "white af" nonsense

greeks are lighter than us . all european ethnicities including islanders are lighter than us .

but deep south europeans and individually also balkan people are only a little lighter and many individuals of our peoples are as light as europeans

and afghans wont look pseudo med but just med . it is not pseudo

also greek islanders and south italians (and if i am not wrong also balkan people) score a decent chunk of Iran N and even more so CHG

by the way in my opinion afghans are lighter than many south iranians

 

[Abestos1508]

dude i am not stupid . i am not talking about hazaras or mixed people .

many afghans here are not ethnic minorities . many hazaras here too but i am not talking about them

typical afghan here looks like this afghan rapper :

you afghans place everybody in afghanistan . kurds , persians , levantines , sicilians , anybody

i dont look afghan . i know that i dont . no matter what you say

afghans who happen to look similar to me look west asian . not the other way around

Not true, but you can keep wishing that was the case and picking individual photos.

You wanna be connected to everyone but the people east and south of you. You've even flipped out from people saying Kurds and Persians look similar.

ou would not stand out among these individuals, not one bit. In fact, many of them one of them are much lighter than you are, and almost all of them have Pashtun last names. They look extremely similar to Persian at last. Though some people in the crowd shots may be Tajik, Hazara, and Uzbek.

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[Kurdquistador]

dude you say i post only individual afghans . then you post these videos with only a couple of people in them

and even worse you accused me of posting kurdish women who dye their hair yet these videos have afghan girls with dyed hair

lack of decency from your part . this is disgusting

 

[Abestos1508]

Because of all people in Afghanistan, Tajiks and Uzbeks have the least South Asian in them. Since Uzbeks are Turkic and not Iranic, they are not related to me at all.

So, when we don’t count Uzbeks, only Tajiks are left. My father was many times in Dushanbe (has a Kurdish/Persian meaning by the way) and he told me that many Tajiks looked very similar to him. Even talked the same way during a backgammon game. I am talking about the late 70ies and early 80ies.
I have never been to Afghanistan though.

Pashtuns look very alien to my Kurdish eyes. I don’t know how to explain, but I see in a heartbeat that they are different. Like I see in a heartbeat that Arabs don't look like Kurds. Many Tajiks (not all of them) look very familiar.

But personally, I think that any Tajik would have a very hard time to pass as a local among the Ezdi Kurds (who are my people). I think a Tajik would stick out in an Ezdi Kurdish wedding. Like an Armenian or an Azeri does. Every time when there is an Ezdi wedding and somebody invites an Armenian or somebody similar to us, we can see it in a heartbeat that that dude or gal is foreign looking and not one of us.
I think it has something to do with the instinct.

Btw, Dushanbe (Capital of Tajikistan) is a Persian word for ‘Monday’, hehe.

I still don't understand how Tajiks are better passing than Pashtuns. Tajiks from Tajikstan often look part East Asian, and an Afghan Pashtun and Afghan Tajik can be genetically closer to one another than either is to another member of their ethnicity. They cluster with each other tightly and are very similar. The only Tajik groups I could see having more types passable as Kurdish than Afghan Pashtuns are Pamiris and Yaghnobis (but they also have many types way lighter than kurds as well), and they're not really Tajik. They're just called that by westerners.

 

[Abestos1508]

these are more Afghans from CA

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[Kurdquistador]

i remember some of these videos being posted by myanthropologies

it is so obvious that you are him

who do you think you can fool

 

[ImHere]

Yes, of course Afghans are South Asian shifted, but that's not why they don't cluster closer to West Asians. You could keep their South Asian DNA the exact same but exchange their Northern European DNA for more East Med DNA, and they'd cluster to Kurds than the Lebanese do. Afghans still wouldn't cluster with Kurds or West Asians if they lacked South Asian ancestry, they'd cluster North Caucasians because they're too steppe shifted for West Asia and lack East Med/Natufian.

We lack DNA from the vast majority of Eastern Afghan provinces that you named, and even the Eastern Afghans aren't as S. Asian shifted as those S. Asian shifted KPK Pashtuns, they're more-so between them and Kandaharis. Many Eastern Afghans belong to Pashtun tribes that have high concentrations in Northern and Southern parts of Afghanistan as well. Considering how tribal Pashtuns are, I highly doubt they're different from their tribe folk in the north and west, and I'm pretty sure further DNA sampling will reveal Pashtun clustering based on tribe and not geography. The S. Asian shifted also comes from mixing with Dardics like Nuristanis, a group whose ancestry can't be modeled by admixture because they're too drifted, and that would extend to those who have ancestry from them as well.

Besides Islamabad, the rest of Punjabis migrated in 1947, many of whom moved into Iranic and Dardic territories.

He's not darker than most Afghans, but he is pretty average for them, and MANY Afghans are much lighter than him. That's why it's even more surprising he tries to distance himself so bad.

I have seen a decent amount of eastern afghan samples. If not for their additional turkic ancestry, many of them would cluster just around KPK'wals. And yes they have non-pashtun ancestry in them. You have a lot of pashtuns like that now. So now imagine pashtuns who moved to outside example Kandahar many centuries ago.

Its so impossible for pashtuns to have non-pashtun ancestry, but somehow KPK'wals have a significant amount of hindko/dard ancestry? And yes, eastern afghans CAN be as south asian shifted as more south asian shifted pashtuns, but its not like these pashtuns lived far away from eastern AFG anyways.

You and your drifted, man, nuristanis and pashais are just more similiar to people around them, being descendants of natives. If theyre significantly south asian shifted, it was bound to happen anyways.
Also, you act like the population around PAK before and after 47 was COMPLETELY different. Youre exaggerating. People around Islamabad and nearby always were just indic people, who scored similiar to modern day punjabis. And many eastern afghans scores closer to them than iranians from around Tehran and west, specially iranics like kurds. LIVE WITH IT.

 

[Kurdquistador]

he is ridiculous and lives in his own world

i crushed him once more like i did in the past

trying to find the hair in the soup regarding my kurdish galleries even though they are very representative of kurds . cries because some of the kurdish women i post have dyed hair (which is normal for women to do regardless of what ethnicity they are) and says i post afghan individuals but then posts videos of afghans where there are only a couple of afghans in it and which has afghan women with dyed hair .

claims that afghans are closer to north caucasians than we are using eurogenes k13 . i prove him wrong once again posting my own population list and the population list of the afghan pashtun sample . and he is silent

and also ignores G25 which is way newer than eurogenes k13 . there we are way closer to north caucasians than afghans are . even more than on gedmatch calcs


claims i am dark for afghanistan . loooool . crazy . dude is fucked


by the way i never denied that there are afghans who look northern west asian or even european . i also dont see afghans as south asians and to me they look clearly different from punjabis etc. in general .. i always said this and even held against south asian trolls who tried to troll afghans . but he forgets this . i often defended afghans against trolls

i am only saying that IN GENERAL afghans look clearly different from kurds . and i posted afghan footballers that an afghan guy posted in another thread . it is very clear that they look different from us . and not only pigmentation but moreso features too

and i am saying that afghanistan despite having a good amount of west asian looking people ....also has a good amount of south asian leaning people lookwise . and afghans in general just dont overlap with us


i actually think i am being misunderstood

 

[ImHere]

"and also ignores G25 which is way newer than eurogenes k13 . there we are way closer to north caucasians than afghans are . even more than on gedmatch calcs"

To be fair, it depends on the north caucasian. You arent much closer to certain dagestanis than many of us afghans are.

First oracle is you, second is the iraqi kurdish AVG:

THis is you




Iraqi kurdish average:




Afghan pashtun(me):




Ishkashim tajik Average(can be used as a northern AFG tajik from Badakshan, though other badakhshi tajiks are significantly more western shifted)



(is likely from Mashhad, east Iran, but pretty much scores like tajiks from Herat, so i use this individual sample as well)



You can see if you compare the afghans to certain north caucasians and do the same with the kurds, then some of them arent way closer to kurds than theyre to afghans.


Anyways, i agree with the rest of what you said. That afghan guy makes ridicolous claims

 

[Kurdquistador]

bro look at this . from vahaduo spreadsheet

i used tajik badashkan . so myanthropologies wont cry


Distance to: Tajik_Badakshan
0.10206311 Lak
0.10246374 Tabasaran
0.10341595 Darginian
0.10532192 Kumyk
0.10608516 Kaitag
0.10655511 Kubachinian
0.10758659 Karachay
0.10787117 Kabardin
0.10875695 Balkar
0.10895363 Cherkes
0.11102481 Circassian
0.11215010 Chechen
0.11478560 North_Ossetian
0.11647747 Ingushian
0.12632953 Adygei
0.12932815 Ossetian


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Distance to: skidrow_scaled
0.07046910 Kumyk
0.07926697 Ingushian
0.07953270 Kabardin
0.08050307 Karachay
0.08125253 Circassian
0.08203861 Adygei
0.08264442 Cherkes
0.08267569 Chechen
0.08368094 Balkar
0.08486978 North_Ossetian
0.08505520 Ossetian
0.08660328 Tabasaran
0.09497014 Lak
0.09564791 Kaitag
0.09971429 Kubachinian
0.10440717 Darginian



i am clearly closer . and this is a tajik . not even pashtun