kurds and afghans do NOT look alike . compare and contrast

[Kurdquistador]

guti can you answer my question to you please

 

[Abestos1508]

there are different kind of bmac you fucking troll . and you know that very well you sneaky weasel. some are heavily south asian . but we kurds dont have it . if we did then we would score aasi in the models like i posted where you give iran neo , barcin , levant neo , steppe , chg , aasi , east asian as references . but guess what ....we dont . as i showed you

You're the one being a weasel by trying to make generalizing statements about Afghans having extra AASI because of BMAC but then turning around and saying that not all BMAC have AASI when someone points out that Kurds would have higher AASI ancestry due to having BMAC as well. BMAC and IVC were both highly cosmopolitan and had some individuals with almost no AASI and others with a lot of it. It's almost like all places in the world with civilization and urbanism have a diverse set of people, much like today.

nope . i used tarkalani because member ImHere who is afghan told me to use it instead of the pashtun sample which is more south asian shifted . so i actually did you a favor and used tarkalani because ImHere said it is more accurate as a pashtun reference . so i did it for fairnes sake . you piece of shit you

That's crazy because tarkalani is one of the most South Asian shifted Pashtun groups and they're not even FROM Afghanistan. Iranian Neolithic has been modeled with AASI much higher than just 6% before, even CHG has been modeled with some. Paleolithic Europeans like Gravettians get 15-28% ASI in GEDmatch as well. Use kit number T947885 on HarappaWorld and MLDP

ok i will run all the pashtun references . here you go :

Target: Uthmankhel
Distance: 1.9762% / 0.01976164
35.6 Steppe_EN
31.0 Iran_N
17.8 AASI
14.0 Anatolian_Farmers_N
1.6 EastAsian_HG


---


Target: Pashtun
Distance: 1.8724% / 0.01872378
33.8 Steppe_EN
31.0 Iran_N
19.6 AASI
13.4 Anatolian_Farmers_N
2.2 EastAsian_HG


Target: Yusufzai
Distance: 1.8832% / 0.01883156
34.2 Steppe_EN
31.8 Iran_N
19.6 AASI
13.4 Anatolian_Farmers_N
1.0 EastAsian_HG


^ lmfao

Those are not all the Pashtun groups, and NONE of those are AFGHAN Pashtuns. Yusufzai are mostly from Pakistan, so are most Uthamnkhels. Use Kandaharis, North Afghan Pashtuns, etc. You are so hell bent on proving that it is that they are too AASI shifted for Kurds and ignoring that its the fact that Kurds are too steppe deprived and have too much East MEd and Southwest Asian/Arabian admixture. You complain about people spreading ignorance about your ethnicity, but you can't even recognize which tribes of Pashtuns come from Afghanistan vs Pakistan and you choose to spread even more blatant ignorance about other groups.

distance of 11 ? huh ? are you halucinating ? where do you see a distance of 11 . which model ?



a fit of 3 is good enough . especially when you use all relevant populations then a fit of 3 is good . i used every relevant pop . iran n , barcin , levant , steppe , east asian . it doesnt get better

No, it's not. Clearly you didn't read the descriptions of these tools when you used them.

you are myanthropologies . it is so obvious . and you claimed to be fully afghan on TA . wtf ?

I'm not myanthropologies you idiot. myanthropologies hasn't been on a single anthroboard in nearly 3 years.

and you fucking idiot i posted a model that shows the aasi of pashtuns and also the steppe too . yes afghans also have more steppe than us

Yes, and the steppe is a MUCH larger reason they don't cluster with Kurds. If I remove their NE European DNA and add it to East Med, they get significantly closer to Kurds, even closer than the Lebanese, and that's with keeping their South Asian the exact SAME. Look for yourself here:

with nothing altered (owight_gavnah):



with his NE-European DNA completely removed and exchanged for increased East Med DNA and everything else the same, he clusters closer to you than Lebanese and Palestinians do, even with his South Asian DNA level left untouched:




With his S. Asian DNA removed and replaced with extra West Asian, he clusters even FURTHER from you than he does without altering his components:

Then separate the Levant Neolithic from your "European Farmer" DNA as well, because that's "NOT the same . it just isnt."



show me what you mean with owight gavnah etc. . i dont understand what you are refering to

Look above. I showed you three times, including in my original post but you chose to ignore, just like you chose to ignore the fact that him and the other anthroboard Afghans are genetically closer to North Caucasian anthroboard members than you are:

Hnery007(pashtun), Owight_gavnah(afghan), myanthropologies(Pashtun) all genetically closer to Dismal_Knight(Avar) than you are:


You are about equally as close to Chechens as Afghans are:

you are so pathetic . honestly . the women are all normal kurdish looking . dyed hair , contact lenses . hahahaha .

they dont have that and those few who do do it like women in any ethnicity . they are neither picked on purpose for that by me nor do the women look non kurdish in any way

sorry but my gallery is extremely representative of kurds i know it hurts you but it is how it is

but if you continue like this you will get banned very quickly . so be careful of what you are saying . because my gallery has no flaws . and it took me so much effort to make the gallery and i posted literally a billion kurds . it is extremely rude and trollish to accuse me of cherrypicking or anything of that sort . so stfu



nope

many of the men look more different from us than my sooo loved south / southeast yuropeenz who you actually see as superior but project it on me as if i do only because i say the obvious that your people look more different to us often than they do

My wife is Sicilian. I see Sicilians literally every day, and her family members all look whiter and more European than all of the Kurds you posted. Kurds look much closer to both Persians and Afghans, and literally anyone who isn't stupid can see that. IBD analysis and formal academic tools show them to be genetically closer to each other and share more recent ancestry with each other as well. Have you ever looked in a goddamn mirror yourself? You're brown as FUCK, and you're considered dark for Afghan standards as well. Go live in a Taliban-ruled village for a year and not in your parents' basement in Germany, and you will be even browner.

but anyway .....if you want to believe it then you can . it wont change the reality though

Man, I really don't care. You posted on a white supremacist Italian forum full of some of the most disgusting and racist people on the entire planet, and you are okay with it because they validated your views about Kurds. Then on top of that, you're allowing racist people to post on here and saying things like "Punjabis are next level curry DNA." You have 0 shame and 0 self-respect.

 

[Abestos1508]

haha i was waiting for this i am darker than many afghans ? loooooool . ok .....if you want to think that xD

there is nothing wrong with being dark anyway . but saying i am darker than afghans is just ridiculous i know that there are even blonde blue eyed afghans btw. . i know that there is diversity of course . however i am in no fucking way darker than many afghans . my pigmentation is very typical for northern west asia and coastal south europe .

and i dont want to make comparisons with sicilians . this is objective anyway . and many kurds look med . med is not exclusive to europeans

but bottom line is that MANY pashtuns and tajiks look very different than kurds . this is a fact and it is obvious to see

btw.

dark

outside with good lightning :

I never said you're darker than all Afghans or even most Afghans, but you'd be on the darker side and your skin tone would not be viewed as "light" by most Afghan people. As you've mentioned, Afghan people have a handful of actual light types. Your skin tone is in the absolute darkest range for Sicilians even, and pretty average for West Asians and Afghans. Also looks like there's filters or bad contrasting on some of those pics.

 

[ImHere]

"That's crazy because tarkalani is one of the most South Asian shifted Pashtun groups and they're not even FROM Afghanistan. Iranian Neolithic has been modeled with AASI much higher than just 6% before, even CHG has been modeled with some. Paleolithic Europeans like Gravettians get 15-28% ASI in GEDmatch as well. Use kit number"

Dude, to be fair, there are lots of eastern afghans scoring similiar to tarkalanis and uthmankhels. Afghans from around Nangarhar, Laghman, Parwan, Kunar, Kabul can be as south asian as these pashtuns, despite the latter not being from AFG. There are eastern afghans more south asian shifted than KPK'wals (though theyre rather alike more south asian shifted KPK'wals).

"You're the one being a weasel by trying to make generalizing statements about Afghans having extra AASI because of BMAC"

Afghans just simply are more south asian shifted, because we live far more east and stayed there, recieving additional IVC admix unlike kurds who gets very little to none.


" Have you ever looked in a goddamn mirror yourself? You're brown as FUCK, and you're considered dark for Afghan standards as well."

How is he brown asf? He's rather on par with many afghans, with many others being darker than him. The ones lighter than him are pale asf anyways, as white as snow. He isnt dark for afghan standards at all.


Honestly man, you gotta tone down on with the claims/insults.

 

[Kurdquistador]

You're the one being a weasel by trying to make generalizing statements about Afghans having extra AASI because of BMAC but then turning around and saying that not all BMAC have AASI when someone points out that Kurds would have higher AASI ancestry due to having BMAC as well. BMAC and IVC were both highly cosmopolitan and had some individuals with almost no AASI and others with a lot of it. It's almost like all places in the world with civilization and urbanism have a diverse set of people, much like today.

we kurds dont score aasi dude . what the heck do you want . do you want me to say that we score aasi even though we dont ?

you score a lot of aasi

kurds dont score a lot of aasi

the sky is blue

grass is green

i showed you a modelling . using Iran N , CHG , BARCIN , STEPPE , LEVANT N , EAST ASIAN , AASI

so what do you else want ? those are the references one has to take to model west asians and south asians

That's crazy because tarkalani is one of the most South Asian shifted Pashtun groups and they're not even FROM Afghanistan. Iranian Neolithic has been modeled with AASI much higher than just 6% before, even CHG has been modeled with some. Paleolithic Europeans like Gravettians get 15-28% ASI in GEDmatch as well. Use kit number

ImHere criticized me for using pashtun and told me to use tarkalani . and now you are saying tarkalanis is not good enough . the G25 spreadsheet has only tarkalani , uthmankel , pashtun , and yusufzai . it doesnt have any other pashtun references . so i can only use them . but of course they ALL are not representative of course . i am not surprised and wouldnt have expected anything else you to say

if you have some other pashtun coordinates then give me them please

Those are not all the Pashtun groups, and NONE of those are AFGHAN Pashtuns. Yusufzai are mostly from Pakistan, so are most Uthamnkhels. Use Kandaharis, North Afghan Pashtuns, etc. You are so hell bent on proving that it is that they are too AASI shifted for Kurds and ignoring that its the fact that Kurds are too steppe deprived and have too much East MEd and Southwest Asian/Arabian admixture. You complain about people spreading ignorance about your ethnicity, but you can't even recognize which tribes of Pashtuns come from Afghanistan vs Pakistan and you choose to spread even more blatant ignorance about other groups.

you fucking imbecile ....G25 has only those . as i said above

No, it's not. Clearly you didn't read the descriptions of these tools when you used them.

then most people can not be modelled according to you . neolithic models will often give a fit of 2-4 . when you use all relevant populations there is nothing more that you can do and it is good enough

I'm not myanthropologies you idiot. myanthropologies hasn't been on a single anthroboard in nearly 3 years.

you write exactly like him . and say the same things as him . i am pretty sure you are him . or at least a friend of him who is in contact with him telling you what to post or some shit . with you trolls everything is possible . will you post yourself btw. ? you wont right ? of course not lel

Yes, and the steppe is a MUCH larger reason they don't cluster with Kurds. If I remove their NE European DNA and add it to East Med, they get significantly closer to Kurds, even closer than the Lebanese, and that's with keeping their South Asian the exact SAME. Look for yourself here:

well all differences make a differnce and lead to the fact that pashtuns cluster far from us . the steppe too yes . and of course the 17-19 % AASI *_* among other things . sorry man

with nothing altered (owight_gavnah):

View attachment 2078

with his NE-European DNA completely removed and exchanged for increased East Med DNA and everything else the same, he clusters closer to you than Lebanese and Palestinians do, even with his South Asian DNA level left untouched:

View attachment 2074


With his S. Asian DNA removed and replaced with extra West Asian, he clusters even FURTHER from you than he does without altering his components:

View attachment 2079


Look above. I showed you three times, including in my original post but you chose to ignore, just like you chose to ignore the fact that him and the other anthroboard Afghans are genetically closer to North Caucasian anthroboard members than you are:

Hnery007(pashtun), Owight_gavnah(afghan), myanthropologies(Pashtun) all genetically closer to Dismal_Knight(Avar) than you are:
View attachment 2076

You are about equally as close to Chechens as Afghans are:
View attachment 2077

this is eurogenes k13

allright lets do this .....

first of all you retard why the fuck are you playing around with owights components . first explain me this

2. who the fuck are these people like dismal knight etc

3. since you are altering owights components .....you surely alter any components in those lists as you wish . so i dont even trust you

but lets do this :

let us run the afghan pashtun reference and look at his list and then run mine and look at my list and let us look who of us is closer to north caucasians ok ? haha allright :

afghan pashtuns pops :

Distance to: Afghan_Pashtun
10.31224030 Pamiri_Tajikistan
11.28070033 Tajik_Tajikistan
11.91477654 Tajik_Lowland
12.54527002 Kalash
13.64829293 Afghan_Tadjik
14.77549322 Tajik_Mountain
14.78742709 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
15.16168526 Pathan
15.51030303 Burusho
16.35012538 Makrani
16.80570439 Iran_Bandari
17.03033764 Balochi
18.30895682 Brahui
19.81251120 Punjabi_Jat
20.78317108 Parsi_India
21.93064295 Sindhi
22.64026943 Turkmen
22.91215616 Tabassaran
23.18053709 Iran_Centraleast
23.59919914 Avar
24.66487178 Chechen
24.68844467 Lezgin
25.30225484 Lak
25.35968060 Kumyk
25.61358624 Dargin
25.84869049 Kabardin
26.77155767 Ingush
26.90986994 Balkar
26.97101963 Adygei
27.00897443 Ossetian
27.35065813 North_Ossetian
27.37688989 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
28.86263501 Nogay
29.06944960 Balkan_Gypsy
29.06944960 Roma:Balkan_Gypsy


my list :

Distance to: skidrow
2.37558414 Turkmen_Iraq
3.76804989 Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey
3.93964465 Zaza
4.15979567 Kurd_Sorani
4.33228577 Azeri
4.56797548 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.68816595 Turk_East
5.09875475 Turk_South_East
5.27285501 Kurd_Iran
5.44498852 Kurdish
5.52745873 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.45705041 Lor_Iran
6.82523992 Talysh
6.98082373 Iranian
7.29236587 Armenian_East
7.84805071 Armenian
8.30274653 Turk_Turkey_average
8.96198081 Armenian_West
8.96929206 Georgian_Jewish
9.24269982 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
10.27805916 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.34813027 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.46289635 Turk_Central_East
10.81317715 Greek_Caucasus
11.09687794 Turk_East_Black_Sea
11.24510116 Greek_Trabzon
11.48414995 Assyrian_North
11.71032877 Assyrian_South
11.79952541 Iran_Centraleast
11.92145545 Mandean
12.09100079 Assyrian_West
12.21930031 Turk_Meskhetian
12.64073178 Turk_Anatolia
12.67972003 Turk_South
13.25144143 Turk_Central_West
13.57992268 Laz
14.63538862 Kurdish_Jewish
15.78917667 Greek_Cappadocian
16.35960574 Iraqi_Jew
17.03495230 Nusayri
17.91657054 Kumyk
18.07369359 Turk_North_West
18.23069938 Lebanese_Muslim
18.30728544 Turkmen
19.27284878 Syrian
19.66058494 Georgian
21.04001901 Adygei
21.13176282 Georgian_imereti
21.35524994 Abhkasian
21.64137935 Parsi_India
21.69214143 Iran_Bandari
22.18489576 Balkar
22.28836468 Turk_Cypriot
22.89264074 Ossetian
23.06942132 Ingush
23.15636198 Greek_Chios
23.17361215 Greek_Cypriot
23.75222726 Kabardin
23.92252077 North_Ossetian
24.00938150 Greek_Dodecanese
24.24399926 Jordanian
24.28926306 Lebanese_Druze
25.51037436 Lezgin
25.59070730 Lebanese_Christian
25.62410194 Chechen
25.78333376 Greek_Crete
26.11641438 Greek_Symi_Island
26.53521999 Greek_North_Aegean
26.63957582 Palestinian
26.76738687 Samaritan


i won

wanna do the same with G25 ? i will win there even more clearly . way more clearly . lol

 

[Kurdquistador]

My wife is Sicilian. I see Sicilians literally every day, and her family members all look whiter and more European than all of the Kurds you posted. Kurds look much closer to both Persians and Afghans, and literally anyone who isn't stupid can see that. IBD analysis and formal academic tools show them to be genetically closer to each other and share more recent ancestry with each other as well. Have you ever looked in a goddamn mirror yourself? You're brown as FUCK, and you're considered dark for Afghan standards as well. Go live in a Taliban-ruled village for a year and not in your parents' basement in Germany, and you will be even browner.

sure myanthropologies sure you have a sicilian wife and see sicilians everyday

ok ....

even if that was true . i didnt make any claim regarding sicilians . but if we resemble sicilians or not doesnt change the fact that many pashtuns look clearly different from us . no matter how much you jump up and down and stomp on the ground this wont change . we could look like aliens in sicily and it would not make pashtuns any more kurdish looking


and i am brown for afghan standards ? looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool xD

you are a bad troll . how delusional do you have to be to think that i look dark for afghans

again :

dark for afghans hahah :

outside with good lightning :

Man, I really don't care. You posted on a white supremacist Italian forum full of some of the most disgusting and racist people on the entire planet, and you are okay with it because they validated your views about Kurds. Then on top of that, you're allowing racist people to post on here and saying things like "Punjabis are next level curry DNA." You have 0 shame and 0 self-respect.

yeah you dont care ....right


dont talk about IR here . if you continue this i will ban your ass . one more such a post and you are gone . because i will not let you talk bad about IR despite me being a member there . you can like the forum or not it doesnt matter . there are several members in that forum that i dont like either but also several that are cool . if you have a problem with them talk to them directly . not here

and this forum is not my forum . i am only mod . I DONT HAVE ANY FORUM . for all the idiots who do not understand it

 

[Kurdquistador]

by the way @Abestos1508

dont reply by quoting me please . because i had to make 2 posts with the quotes since it was more than 1000 letters

just reply by @myname

 

[Abestos1508]

"That's crazy because tarkalani is one of the most South Asian shifted Pashtun groups and they're not even FROM Afghanistan. Iranian Neolithic has been modeled with AASI much higher than just 6% before, even CHG has been modeled with some. Paleolithic Europeans like Gravettians get 15-28% ASI in GEDmatch as well. Use kit number"

Dude, to be fair, there are lots of eastern afghans scoring similiar to tarkalanis and uthmankhels. Afghans from around Nangarhar, Laghman, Parwan, Kunar, Kabul can be as south asian as these pashtuns, despite the latter not being from AFG. There are eastern afghans more south asian shifted than KPK'wals (though theyre rather alike more south asian shifted KPK'wals).

"You're the one being a weasel by trying to make generalizing statements about Afghans having extra AASI because of BMAC"

Afghans just simply are more south asian shifted, because we live far more east and stayed there, recieving additional IVC admix unlike kurds who gets very little to none.


" Have you ever looked in a goddamn mirror yourself? You're brown as FUCK, and you're considered dark for Afghan standards as well."

How is he brown asf? He's rather on par with many afghans, with many others being darker than him. The ones lighter than him are pale asf anyways, as white as snow. He isnt dark for afghan standards at all.


Honestly man, you gotta tone down on with the claims/insults.

Yes, of course Afghans are South Asian shifted, but that's not why they don't cluster closer to West Asians. You could keep their South Asian DNA the exact same but exchange their Northern European DNA for more East Med DNA, and they'd cluster to Kurds than the Lebanese do. Afghans still wouldn't cluster with Kurds or West Asians if they lacked South Asian ancestry, they'd cluster North Caucasians because they're too steppe shifted for West Asia and lack East Med/Natufian.

We lack DNA from the vast majority of Eastern Afghan provinces that you named, and even the Eastern Afghans aren't as S. Asian shifted as those S. Asian shifted KPK Pashtuns, they're more-so between them and Kandaharis. Many Eastern Afghans belong to Pashtun tribes that have high concentrations in Northern and Southern parts of Afghanistan as well. Considering how tribal Pashtuns are, I highly doubt they're different from their tribe folk in the north and west, and I'm pretty sure further DNA sampling will reveal Pashtun clustering based on tribe and not geography. The S. Asian shifted also comes from mixing with Dardics like Nuristanis, a group whose ancestry can't be modeled by admixture because they're too drifted, and that would extend to those who have ancestry from them as well.

Besides Islamabad, the rest of Punjabis migrated in 1947, many of whom moved into Iranic and Dardic territories.

He's not darker than most Afghans, but he is pretty average for them, and MANY Afghans are much lighter than him. That's why it's even more surprising he tries to distance himself so bad.

 

[Abestos1508]

@skidcrow I'm not myanthropologies, but it's funny you keep insisting I am. We've come across each other on other anthroboards and I thought saying I'm half white and half Afghan would make it more obvious for you to guess who I am, but apparently it didn't.

 

[Kurdquistador]

idiot

we score only around 8% natufian . and close to 40% barcin . fucking idiot

and i am not dark . especially not for afghanistan

you are being idiotic really

and no i dont use filters or whatever . and in most of the pics i am inside

with outside lightning i come out like this :

but even inside with bad lightning i am like this :

if i am dark then afghans are black

 

[Kurdquistador]

also check my classify thread :

look at what people who dont know my ethnicity yet place me as :

which ethnicities do I look and which would i pass as ?

where can I pass ? thank you Height : 176 - 177 cm Eye Color : a very nice hazelnut color . sweet sweet lol and i am also overweight on all these pics . not sure if that makes a difference regarding where i pass anyway give your opinions . thanks...

www.anthroworldforum.com

you fucking coper

 

[Abestos1508]

and i am not dark . especially not for afghanistan

Yes you are.

if i am dark then afghans are black

You're an idiot if you think that

The Kafirs of the Kati tribe, who live in the easternmost section of Kafiristan, are taller and larger-headed than the Pathans, but still essentially dolichocephalic and leptorrhine.26 They seem also to possess a high ratio of blondism. Like the Pathans, their commonest skin color is a medium brunet white, von Luschan #9, but in hair and eye color they seem to be lighter than the Pushtu-speaking peoples. Thirty-four per cent have mixed or light eyes, as opposed to 20 per cent of Pushtus. Their hair color, according to Stein, is blond or light brown in 28 per cent of the group.27​

​

 

[Kurdquistador]

Yes you are.


You're an idiot if you think that

​

dude you got to be kidding me . honestly

if i am dark then afghans are tamil

 

[Kurdquistador]

dark :

LMFAO

 

[Kurdquistador]

i would look like a papuan next to these afghans

 

[Abestos1508]

dark :

LMFAO

You fail the paper bag test bro

 

[Kurdquistador]

i actually think i am as dark as seal or p diddy

i would be extremely brown among afghans

 

[Kurdquistador]

You fail the paper bag test bro

shit

 

[Abestos1508]

i would look like a papuan next to these afghans

Oh yeah, compare yourself suntanned and racially diverse footballers to a picture of yourself in your parents' basement in Germany

You'd fit right in with these people without being seen as "light" or "atypical" at all

[video]

 

[Abestos1508]

i actually think i am as dark as seal or p diddy

i would be extremely brown among afghans

if you're so sure you aren't, why are you posting like 1,000 pictures of yourself next to a window to try to prove a point? lol