kurds and afghans do NOT look alike . compare and contrast

[Kurdquistador]

He meant likely autosomally, which isnt too odd.

Im by example slightly closer to many avars and even signficantly closer to some other north caucasians like outlier tabassarans than to a turkey kurd like you.
But ancestrially wise its another story

no but thats not what he means

he means that afghans are closer to north caucasians than kurds are to north caucasians hahaha

 

[ImHere]

no but thats not what he means

he means that afghans are closer to north caucasians than kurds are to north caucasians hahaha

I....dont think he said that?

Also, no it doesnt mean the tarkalani is 30% paniya. It also mean the tarkalani will get someone being 30% paniya and 70% kurdish at distance of 7, which is quiet different. You yourself can get an iranian who scores 15% IVC(which you do, check your distance to the iranian sample seyyed 94) at distance 7, doesnt mean youre alike it.

 

[ImHere]

I take it back. You got the 15% IVC seyyed at distance of 6 on g25

 

[Kurdquistador]

he did say it he means exactly that . read his post again . he also said that already on TA back then . this is delusional as fuck . it is also basically not accepting reality . back then i offered him to compare the distances of us both to north caucasian groups on ANY calculator he wants . and i posted my distances and he couldnt say anything . and now he is repeating the same bullshit again . he is a lost cause

and can you explain what you mean with the iranian example ? i dont get it

 

[Kurdquistador]

guti i will exclude you from this thread unless you promise me to not delete your comments later ok ? because when you delete your comments the thread gets fucked

also have you seen what the guy claimed ? he said that afghans are closer to north caucasus people than we are

 

[ImHere]

he did say it he means exactly that . read his post again . he also said that already on TA back then . this is delusional as fuck . it is also basically not accepting reality . back then i offered him to compare the distances of us both to north caucasian groups on ANY calculator he wants . and i posted my distances and he couldnt say anything . and now he is repeating the same bullshit again . he is a lost cause

and can you explain what you mean with the iranian example ? i dont get it

You said that the tarkalani can be taken as 30% paniya and 70% kurdish, when the reference is kurdish, although the tarkalani gets a fit at 7. The fit not only shows how "good" the model is, but also how close it would be to someone who is 70% iraqi kurdish and 30% paniya, which is also why fits can decide if a model is good or not.

Similiar if you get modelled with 50% palestinian and 50% chechen and your fit was 1.5, you would also get a person at distance of 1-2 on g25, if he was half pali and half chechen. In the case of the tarkalani, the fit and distance to the paniya/kurdish model was 7, which wasnt too close really.


In this case, you were confident the tarkalani can be taken as 30% paniya. However you yourself barely gets any IVC, yet you get an iranian who gets modelled with 15% IVC(and can get modelled as half tarkalani and half levantine arab) at distance of 6, although you barely gets any south eurasian. If the iranian got 20% IVC, you could gotten him at distance of 7, similiar to the tarkalani when compared to the paniya mix. Yet you dont really resemble that iranian in terms of west eurasianess.


So in conclusion: The model doesnt present how south eurasian the tarkalani is(or paniya), since hes quiet far away from the mix itself. THe yagnobi/paniya model was somewhat more represantive.
I do however agree with you that the tarkalani is obvs south asian shifted largely compared to the iraqi kurdish reference due to its large shift towards the paniya reference.

 

[Kurdquistador]

You said that the tarkalani can be taken as 30% paniya and 70% kurdish, when the reference is kurdish, although the tarkalani gets a fit at 7. The fit not only shows how "good" the model is, but also how close it would be to someone who is 70% iraqi kurdish and 30% paniya, which is also why fits can decide if a model is good or not.

Similiar if you get modelled with 50% palestinian and 50% chechen and your fit was 1.5, you would also get a person at distance of 1-2 on g25, if he was half pali and half chechen. In the case of the tarkalani, the fit and distance to the paniya/kurdish model was 7, which wasnt too close really.


In this case, you were confident the tarkalani can be taken as 30% paniya. However you yourself barely gets any IVC, yet you get an iranian who gets modelled with 15% IVC(and can get modelled as half tarkalani and half levantine arab) at distance of 6, although you barely gets any south eurasian. If the iranian got 20% IVC, you could gotten him at distance of 7, similiar to the tarkalani when compared to the paniya mix. Yet you dont really resemble that iranian in terms of west eurasianess.


So in conclusion: The model doesnt present how south eurasian the tarkalani is, since hes quiet far away from the mix itself. THe yagnobi/paniya model was somewhat more represantive.
I do however agree with you that the tarkalani is obvs south asian shifted largely compared to the iraqi kurdish reference due to its large shift towards the paniya reference.

yes but what i wanted to show is that the fit of 7 despite not being good is A LOT BETTER than the distance the pashtun has to the kurd . which is 14-15

i didnt mean that the pashtun is 70% kurd + 30% paniya . what i meant was that the pashtun is so different from us and so much south asian influenced that he gets 30% paniya when kurdish is taken as reference point

to illustrate it better what i mean let me ask you a question . would a croatian person for example get 70 % kurd + 30 % paniya making the fit a lot better than the individual distance he would get to kurd and paniya ? if yes ...how so ? ...if no ...why not ?

 

[Abestos1508]

why should i do a "kurds and bulgarians do not look alike" thread ? there are not enough people linking us to bulgarians . but there are way too many people wrongly assuming and saying often that kurds and afghans look similar even though we do NOT

anybody with 2 functioning eyes can see this . they only link us because we are iranic speakers

this has nothing to do with being offended . i just dont see the point of saying ok to something which is not true . i am not a conformist . i will not shout out the nonsense only because people assume it is true when it is not

many persians dont look kurdish either btw. . but thats another matter




dude ....smh .....the BMAC you are using there has aasi in it

If BMAC has AASI in it and Iranian_Neo does, that means Kurds have A LOT of AASI DNA as well. Which one is it? Do Kurds score "no AASI DNA," or do you score almost 15% of it (based on BMAC/Iranian_Neo levels in Kurds)? Your arguments are very inconsistent and hard to keep up with.

if you want to see the aasi you have to use a model like this :


Target: Tarkalani
Distance: 2.0835% / 0.02083457
34.4 Steppe_EN
32.6 Iran_N
17.6 AASI
14.0 Anatolian_Farmers_N
1.4 EastAsian_HG

So you are using the most Eastern-shifted Pashtun groups from Pakistan to prove your point? Don't be a hypocrite. This thread is about Afghans. And again, that's a poor fit. Anything with a fit above 1.5 isn't accurate and shouldn't be used in a serious discussion.

"distance : 28.5205 % "

do i need to say more ? are you kidding me ?

Many of those other fits you had had a distance of 11! They're equally as useless. Once you get a distance of >1.5, it becomes extremely shitty, and once you get passed a distance of 10, it becomes equally inaccurate because it's completely inaccurate.

we have a shit ton of anatolia neolithic / barcin . which you have not much of

"east med dna" lol ....call it however you want . but it is the same that also europeans have

Target: skidrow_scaled
Distance: 3.4035% / 0.03403454
33.6 Iran_N/CHG
26.6 Anatolian_Farmers_N
19.4 Levant_Pre_Pottery_N
18.2 Steppe_EN
2.2 EastAsian_HG

by the way keep in mind that Levant N has a lot of barcin / anatolian farmer in it itself . when you use natufian to extract it the hidden anatolian farmer will be shown . this is the real mediterranean farmer we have :

Target: skidrow_scaled
Distance: 3.6900% / 0.03690005
38.2 Anatolian_Farmers_N
34.6 Iran_N/CHG
17.0 Steppe_EN
8.2 Natufians
2.0 EastAsian_HG

as you see i have a lot of it

And as you see, that is bogus because you're have a fit of 3

and no that is not the only reason why you dont cluster with us . you have 17% aasi which we dont have . you have less CHG too . and of course a lot less anatolian farmer

I'm not fully Afghan. My mother is Northern European. You also casually forgot to mention the much higher steppe ancestry. Afghans would cluster even closer to Kurds than Lebanese people and all Palestinians do if you took away all their NE European DNA and added it East Med, even with their current South Asian levels. Sistani Iranians have similar levels of AASI as many Pashtuns from Afghanistan do, and they still cluster well in West Asia because they have enough East Med and Natufian DNA. if you're going to be nit-picky and break up CHG and Iranian_Neo, then break separate Levantine Neolithics from European Neolithics Farmers as well, because you'd get a lot more of the former. If Afghans are "17% AASI" (they're not) because of BMAC/Iranian_Neo, then surely Kurds have much more AASI than what your calculator shows too because you derive ancestry from BMAC and Iranian_Neo as well.

CHG and Iran N is NOT the same . it just isnt

Then separate the Levant Neolithic from your "European Farmer" DNA as well, because that's "NOT the same . it just isnt."

wtf are you talking about . are your eyes ok ?

these are all the ethnicities i am closer to before pashtuns which i circled . you will have to scroll way down to see =) lol . look at all the ethnic groups i am closer to . i made it some months ago btw. . i can do a new one with the balkan turkish samples in them . which i am at a distance of 10.7 . so also comfortably closer than pashtuns lel

Are your eyes okay? I showed you the runs with literally every single TA member who has DNA results, and you are genetically closer to owight_gavnah (full Afghan) than you are to Southern Italians, Sicilians, Ashkenazi Jews, and Cretans. The samples that the calculators use to average ethnicities aren't always representative, so that's why it may appear that you are closer to those other populations than to Afghans, but it's different when comparing you to real Afghan people and real Balkan people. When we use real fully Afghan people with pretty average results for Afghans, they all show up closer to you than virtually any Balkan person does, they're all closer to you than some Southern Italians are, and some like owight_gavnah are as close to you as Palestinians and some Cypriots are. For the others, you're (roughly) equally as far from the real Afghan people used and Sicilians/Southern Italians/Greek Islanders.

most of the women have not dyed hair or contacts you dumbfuck . and the ones who do just do it because they are women and women do such stuff . but they are not picked by me because of that . and i didnt post afghan females because i just took the pics from a thread of avicenna on TA . otherwise i can post afghan females too along with them no problem . it wont change anything

A good 1/3 of them do.

suntanned or not . doesnt matter . the afghans have different facial features . and yes they DO look very different from the kurds . sorry . it is clearly to see

Am not denying that, but they're just as close to Kurds in looks as some of the other groups you have no issue claiming similarities with. That's all I'm saying!

 

[ImHere]

Yeah I read that. After Persians and Georgians we are actually the closest to the Northern Caucasians such as Abkhazians (Maykop area).

Kurds belong basically to the same genepool as Maykop, Trialeti, Kura Araxes, Leyla Tepe people.


Really, what do those Afghans have in common with Caucasus Maykop, Caucasus Trialeti or Caucasus Kura Araxes? LMAO!


The only connection between Kurds and Afghans is BMAC and some Medes also migrated into Central Asia in the past during the Parthian era. And that's it. Since Afghans deny their BMAC ancestry, I say to them, sorry guys, if you are not from BMAC then we are not the same at all.

Srs, where exactly are you on autism scale? You must be on the maximum end.

No afghan here denied BMAC ancestry. I literally never heard that before, lol.
No wonder you got kicked out of TA, anthroworld forum etc. You even give hadouken here headache(even once a while now), and he wants you to stay because he needs a west asian buddy to "fight against the horde of evildoers who wants to make kurds indians"

 

[Abestos1508]

these people in the videos dont look kurdish either . and NO they dont look closer to kurds than south europeans / southeast europeans do

only some females in the videos look closer to us than southern euros do

for example (just one example out of many) look at the guy at 0:23 - 0:24 on left in the first video . if you really think he looks similar to kurds then you are just in a world of delusions dude

I'm going based off the photos. I've seen plenty of Sicilians and Southern Italians, and no way do they look closer to Kurds overall than those Afghans do. Again, some individual Afghans may look super out of place because Afghanistan is a diverse country with Pashtuns, Tajiks, Gujjars, Nuristanis, Pamiris, Hazara, Uzbek, etc. but Pashtuns and Tajiks look closer to Kurds than Sicilians do, though it is a very close call because many Kurds look med, which is more overlapping with Sicilians. You personally are darker than many Afghan people even.

 

[ImHere]

"Dude, Kurds are not from BMAC, Kurds MADE BMAC"

Autism scales going over the roof

 

[ImHere]

"Dude, @skidrow can't ban me Because I have close ties with the owners and the owners of this site promised me never to ban me, even if @skidrow bans me, they will bring me back. So he can never ban, no matter what he tries."

I honestly feel really bad for him now, lol. No wonder why he havent banned you from here then

"Scythians are originally from BMAC"

I dont even have to read much about it, and i already can tell this is pure BS. I dont even want to argue with you about it due to your extreme ultra-nationalism and your strong autism(good you arent denying that though).
No wonder hadouken called you the kurdish goebbels or whatever german officer he compared you to(dont remember)

 

[ImHere]

Ohh, who is laughing now

lol, yes, everything that iran C is apparently kurdish, lol

 

[ImHere]

Yeah, those Iran_ChL samples are all from Kurdistan. So, those dudes were proto-Kurds for sure. Kurds didn’t fall from the sky you know.

Yeah yeah, bla bla ultra autist. Kurds are the only ones descendants of these people, and kurdistan totally exists

 

[Kurdquistador]

If BMAC has AASI in it and Iranian_Neo does, that means Kurds have A LOT of AASI DNA as well. Which one is it? Do Kurds score "no AASI DNA," or do you score almost 15% of it (based on BMAC/Iranian_Neo levels in Kurds)? Your arguments are very inconsistent and hard to keep up with.

there are different kind of bmac you fucking troll . and you know that very well you sneaky weasel. some are heavily south asian . but we kurds dont have it . if we did then we would score aasi in the models like i posted where you give iran neo , barcin , levant neo , steppe , chg , aasi , east asian as references . but guess what ....we dont . as i showed you

we dont have aasi but you do have a big chunk of it . that is the reality and the reality wont change only because you want to

iran N has around 6% aasi on average . and we are 35% iran neo . calculate it dumbass

So you are using the most Eastern-shifted Pashtun groups from Pakistan to prove your point? Don't be a hypocrite. This thread is about Afghans. And again, that's a poor fit. Anything with a fit above 1.5 isn't accurate and shouldn't be used in a serious discussion.

nope . i used tarkalani because member ImHere who is afghan told me to use it instead of the pashtun sample which is more south asian shifted . so i actually did you a favor and used tarkalani because ImHere said it is more accurate as a pashtun reference . so i did it for fairnes sake . you piece of shit you

ok i will run all the pashtun references . here you go :

Target: Uthmankhel
Distance: 1.9762% / 0.01976164
35.6 Steppe_EN
31.0 Iran_N
17.8 AASI
14.0 Anatolian_Farmers_N
1.6 EastAsian_HG


---


Target: Pashtun
Distance: 1.8724% / 0.01872378
33.8 Steppe_EN
31.0 Iran_N
19.6 AASI
13.4 Anatolian_Farmers_N
2.2 EastAsian_HG


Target: Yusufzai
Distance: 1.8832% / 0.01883156
34.2 Steppe_EN
31.8 Iran_N
19.6 AASI
13.4 Anatolian_Farmers_N
1.0 EastAsian_HG


^ lmfao

Many of those other fits you had had a distance of 11! They're equally as useless. Once you get a distance of >1.5, it becomes extremely shitty, and once you get passed a distance of 10, it becomes equally inaccurate because it's completely inaccurate.

distance of 11 ? huh ? are you halucinating ? where do you see a distance of 11 . which model ?

And as you see, that is bogus because you're have a fit of 3

a fit of 3 is good enough . especially when you use all relevant populations then a fit of 3 is good . i used every relevant pop . iran n , barcin , levant , steppe , east asian . it doesnt get better

I'm not fully Afghan. My mother is Northern European. You also casually forgot to mention the much higher steppe ancestry. Afghans would cluster even closer to Kurds than Lebanese people and all Palestinians do if you took away all their NE European DNA and added it East Med, even with their current South Asian levels. Sistani Iranians have similar levels of AASI as many Pashtuns from Afghanistan do, and they still cluster well in West Asia because they have enough East Med and Natufian DNA. if you're going to be nit-picky and break up CHG and Iranian_Neo, then break separate Levantine Neolithics from European Neolithics Farmers as well, because you'd get a lot more of the former. If Afghans are "17% AASI" (they're not) because of BMAC/Iranian_Neo, then surely Kurds have much more AASI than what your calculator shows too because you derive ancestry from BMAC and Iranian_Neo as well.

you are myanthropologies . it is so obvious . and you claimed to be fully afghan on TA . wtf ?

and you fucking idiot i posted a model that shows the aasi of pashtuns and also the steppe too . yes afghans also have more steppe than us

Then separate the Levant Neolithic from your "European Farmer" DNA as well, because that's "NOT the same . it just isnt."

Are your eyes okay? I showed you the runs with literally every single TA member who has DNA results, and you are genetically closer to owight_gavnah (full Afghan) than you are to Southern Italians, Sicilians, Ashkenazi Jews, and Cretans. The samples that the calculators use to average ethnicities aren't always representative, so that's why it may appear that you are closer to those other populations than to Afghans, but it's different when comparing you to real Afghan people and real Balkan people. When we use real fully Afghan people with pretty average results for Afghans, they all show up closer to you than virtually any Balkan person does, they're all closer to you than some Southern Italians are, and some like owight_gavnah are as close to you as Palestinians and some Cypriots are. For the others, you're (roughly) equally as far from the real Afghan people used and Sicilians/Southern Italians/Greek Islanders.

show me what you mean with owight gavnah etc. . i dont understand what you are refering to

A good 1/3 of them do.

you are so pathetic . honestly . the women are all normal kurdish looking . dyed hair , contact lenses . hahahaha .

they dont have that and those few who do do it like women in any ethnicity . they are neither picked on purpose for that by me nor do the women look non kurdish in any way . and you can still see the natural hair color on the roots on those women who dyed their hair . i will not exclude women who dye their hair (which is just a female thing to do in general . many women of every ethnicity do it) only because an afghan will get butthurt about it . one of the chicks from the gallery has some purple in her hair for example ....i shall exclude her because she looks like a purple nordic i guess

sorry but my gallery is extremely representative of kurds i know it hurts you but it is how it is

but if you continue like this you will get banned very quickly . so be careful of what you are saying . because my gallery is very good and representative . and all the people on the pics and videos are ethnic kurds . and it took me so much effort to make the gallery and i posted literally a billion kurds . it is extremely rude and trollish to accuse me of cherrypicking or anything of that sort . so stfu

Am not denying that, but they're just as close to Kurds in looks as some of the other groups you have no issue claiming similarities with. That's all I'm saying!

nope

many of the men look more different from us than my sooo loved south / southeast yuropeenz who you actually see as superior but project it on me as if i do only because i say the obvious that your people look more different to us often than they do

but anyway .....if you want to believe it then you can . it wont change the reality though

 

[Kurdquistador]

Srs, where exactly are you on autism scale? You must be on the maximum end.

No afghan here denied BMAC ancestry. I literally never heard that before, lol.
No wonder you got kicked out of TA, anthroworld forum etc. You even give hadouken here headache(even once a while now), and he wants you to stay because he needs a west asian buddy to "fight against the horde of evildoers who wants to make kurds indians"

do you really think that about me ?

i actually wanted to ban him here

i dont need any west asian buddy to fight anything

 

[ImHere]

do you really think that about me ?

i actually wanted to ban him here

i dont need any west asian buddy to fight anything

Eeh, sorry if it sounds hurtfull. Though regardless if you are hurt or not, i didnt meant to make it hurtfull.
Sometimes i feel like that, though most times not. What i meant to say is that you want more members here(specially west asians), because you know.....this site isnt exactly TA activity.

But with you actually saying you want him banned, i change my opinion.

 

[ImHere]

He banned me once and I deleted all my posts, but the owner brought me back. He can't ban me. I know he wants and I know why. I am just playing games with him..

I think we got it the first time.

 

[Kurdquistador]

I'm going based off the photos. I've seen plenty of Sicilians and Southern Italians, and no way do they look closer to Kurds overall than those Afghans do. Again, some individual Afghans may look super out of place because Afghanistan is a diverse country with Pashtuns, Tajiks, Gujjars, Nuristanis, Pamiris, Hazara, Uzbek, etc. but Pashtuns and Tajiks look closer to Kurds than Sicilians do, though it is a very close call because many Kurds look med, which is more overlapping with Sicilians. You personally are darker than many Afghan people even.

haha i was waiting for this i am darker than many afghans ? loooooool . ok .....if you want to think that xD

there is nothing wrong with being dark anyway . but saying i am darker than afghans is just ridiculous i know that there are even blonde blue eyed afghans btw. . i know that there is diversity of course . however i am in no fucking way darker than many afghans . my pigmentation is very typical for northern west asia and coastal south europe .

and i dont want to make comparisons with sicilians . this is objective anyway . and many kurds look med . med is not exclusive to europeans

but bottom line is that MANY pashtuns and tajiks look very different than kurds . this is a fact and it is obvious to see

btw.

dark

outside with good lightning :

 

[Kurdquistador]

He banned me once and then I deleted all my posts, but the owner brought me back. He can't ban me. I know he wants and I know why. I am just playing games with him..

i dont want to ban you anymore

but i am curious now . why do you think i want to ban you in your opinion ? and what kind of games do you play with me