Kurdish festival in Diyarbakır Province . analyze them . lots of Kurds

[Nassbean]

Well, I hope you all have worked out who is White and who is not. It is best to stick to West Eurasian as pigmentation and who clusters with whom on PCA are not relevant.
I had a discussion about PCAs and Ashkenazi Jews. Europeanized Jews form their own cluster that parallels the Near East populations. A good PCA for Europeans matches their geographical location. With Near East populations it is similar, the Cypriots cluster near the north Levant. Back to our friends the Ashkenazi Jews, they cluster nowhere geographically, not in Italy, not with the Greeks they just cluster close to Italians and Greeks in the Mediterranean. What does that tell us? That they are a recent admixture population composed of the mixing of Levantine Jews and Southern Europeans of the Italian type with whom they physically approximate, at least the good looking ones. Now you can say they are European as they cluster close to Southern Europeans from the central south, and south east or not. It is up to you.
Anatolian Turks cluster near other West Asians, not with Europeans, there are outliers that cluster with Bulgarians. Mustapha Kemal was born in Europe, and probably would be one of those outliers. Is that important to being White or Brown or Middle Eastern? Not really.

ashkenazim can also have additional east european ancestry

 

[Ponto]

I made a mistake it's armenians who have very low steppe ancestry not turks and the point wasn't about look I'm talking only about ancestry.

ashkenazim can also have additional east european ancestry

Yes that just shifts them north, up the Aegean Sea to be more like mainland Greeks, they don't cluster with their Russian or Ukrainian great great granddaddy. Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry has a high dna recall rate, so their appearance cannot mask who their ancestors were. People mix wherever they go. Gypsies are not straight out Indians. Most Native Americans have European ancestry. The Jews lived in Eastern Europe a long time, so they did more than make matzo balls.

 

[Nassbean]

Yes that just shifts them north, up the Aegean Sea to be more like mainland Greeks, they don't cluster with their Russian or Ukrainian great great granddaddy. Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry has a high dna recall rate, so their appearance cannot mask who their ancestors were. People mix wherever they go. Gypsies are not straight out Indians. Most Native Americans have European ancestry. The Jews lived in Eastern Europe a long time, so they did more than make matzo balls.

Indeed that's why people who simply consider them middle eastern are ridiculous. Ashkenazi jews plot with europeans and look european only a minority does look middle eastern but genetically they are from being similar to ancient jews. Closest communities to these ancient people are samaritans, iraqi jews, iranian jews, egyptian karaites, etc

 

[Ponto]

You are referring to the prejudiced. They don't care about genetics, PCA plots, how much Steppe ancestry they have, where Ashkenazi Jews cluster, same with West Asian groups like Irani or the Kurds. Just their limited world view and their prejudice. We saw some of that recently with the Ashkenazi Jews on this forum.
One thing about the Ashkenazi Jews, as they age they look more appropriately Near Eastern, and less Southern European.

 

[Nassbean]

You are referring to the prejudiced. They don't care about genetics, PCA plots, how much Steppe ancestry they have, where Ashkenazi Jews cluster, same with West Asian groups like Irani or the Kurds. Just their limited world view and their prejudice. We saw some of that recently with the Ashkenazi Jews on this forum.
One thing about the Ashkenazi Jews, as they age they look more appropriately Near Eastern, and less Southern European.

"as they age they look more appropriately Near Eastern, and less Southern European."

not really

 

[Ponto]

A matter of opinion. They look very Jewish to me and not belonging to any European ethnic group.

 

[Ben Dover]

@Nassbean don't maltese overlap with western jews phenotypically? Genetically it's clear whether or not there is an overlap but what about the phenotype.

 

[Nassbean]

@Nassbean don't maltese overlap with western jews phenotypically? Genetically it's clear whether or not there is an overlap but what about the phenotype.

yes since maltese look pretty much like sicilians

 

[Ponto]

Maltese people don't cluster with Sicilians, they are separate. I will tell you one thing about Maltese people. they are not physically attractive, they sit in the sun and get rather brown, they eat too much, so rather fat and they are probably the shortest people in Europe. I guess that makes them look like Europeanized Jews! The Sicilians, the Maltese and the Europeanized Jews all have Italian ancestry more or less in differing proportions. Maltese people don't overlap with Europeanized Jews, it is more with some Italians and some Greeks, the ones with added Bronze Age and Iron Age ancestry from outside Europe. Even some dna companies cannot separate Southern Italians from Greek populations, but Maltese people and Ashkenazi Jews they can, as they have a greater than 90% recall rate.
Anyhow it is unimportant, I can tell a Europeanized Jew from Southern Europeans. You obviously cannot and stick with genetics not what you perceive.

 

[Nassbean]

Maltese people don't cluster with Sicilians, they are separate. I will tell you one thing about Maltese people. they are not physically attractive, they sit in the sun and get rather brown, they eat too much, so rather fat and they are probably the shortest people in Europe. I guess that makes them look like Europeanized Jews! The Sicilians, the Maltese and the Europeanized Jews all have Italian ancestry more or less in differing proportions. Maltese people don't overlap with Europeanized Jews, it is more with some Italians and some Greeks, the ones with added Bronze Age and Iron Age ancestry from outside Europe. Even some dna companies cannot separate Southern Italians from Greek populations, but Maltese people and Ashkenazi Jews they can, as they have a greater than 90% recall rate.
Anyhow it is unimportant, I can tell a Europeanized Jew from Southern Europeans. You obviously cannot and stick with genetics not what you perceive.

There are barely any genetic difference between maltese and sicilians and I've actually been to Malta people looked in general like sicilians with a decent minority who looked like maghrebis.

 

[Ponto]

They don't cluster together, Maltese and Sicilians, so how can you say there is hardly any genetic difference. English people, Scottish people and Irish people basically form one large cluster. And Sicilians can be divided into two genetic groups East and West Sicilians, I guess your Maghrebis are the West Sicilians who strangely enough have more North European ancestry. You see what you want to see. When I am in Malta I just see the foreigners, the British, the Germans, Indians, the Filipinos, the varous Arabs. I don't know someone is Maltese until they speak, the accent is very distinctive. All I can say is I am genetically Maltese and don't look like any folk in Malta. Sicily is a hodgpodge, they can look like anything even Maghrebis. Who knows it could be a throwback to the Elymians. But so what!

 

[Nassbean]

They don't cluster together, Maltese and Sicilians, so how can you say there is hardly any genetic difference. English people, Scottish people and Irish people basically form one large cluster. And Sicilians can be divided into two genetic groups East and West Sicilians, I guess your Maghrebis are the West Sicilians who strangely enough have more North European ancestry. You see what you want to see. When I am in Malta I just see the foreigners, the British, the Germans, Indians, the Filipinos, the varous Arabs. I don't know someone is Maltese until they speak, the accent is very distinctive. All I can say is I am genetically Maltese and don't look like any folk in Malta. Sicily is a hodgpodge, they can look like anything even Maghrebis. Who knows it could be a throwback to the Elymians. But so what!

Like I said there are barely any difference between them :

 

[Ponto]

Those G25 global things are based on geographical coordinates, Sicily is 90 km from Sicily. However Maltese and Sicilians, still don't cluster together. How far is Scotland from England? They cluster together the English and Scots. So Maltese and Sicilians have similar ancient and not so ancient ancestry, the Neolithic farmers, the Steppe herders, Levant farmers, Iranian farmers it doesn't mean they were exactly the same. LBK were different from the Barcin Anatolian farmers and different from Cardial ware farmers. Northern Europeans have Globular Pottery farmer ancestry. The Steppe herders were not identical and gave rise to Bell Beakers, R1b, and Corded Ware, R1a and those differences are still apparent in North, East and West Europeans. The Muslims in Malta were Berbers, so Berber ancestry is expected.
This is one of Polako's PCA plots. I cannot see Maltese clustering with Sicilians.

You just cannot brush away the fact that Sicilians and Maltese do not cluster together. Sicilians overlap with South Italians, Maltese don't.

 

[Nassbean]

With such logic 90% of north africans are drastically different from me...just stop your own pic shows how maltese plot extremely close to sicilians which makes sense since the island got resettled by sicilians during the middle ages

 

[Ponto]

I want to get back to fuckeeer's thread, not discuss quasi racist ideas about Maltese people. I also understand why Nassbean was banned, I would say you deserved it. Your bigotry makes you see what you want to see.

 

[Nassbean]

wtf how is it racist to say maltese are genetically similar to sicilians ?

 

[FinalFlash]

I honestly don't know he looks too exotic to be a fully armenian we need the opinion of one @FinalFlash

That's Gor Manvelyan. Not sure of his full ancestry but he does look pretty exotic for sure. Armenian wouldn't have been my first guess.

 

[FinalFlash]

No EEF is drifted and has sometimes WHG ancestry and for north morocco or coastal algeria it easily reaches 40-50%
10-12% is not what I would call a "few percent" and your steppe is very low I score more than most turks/armenians on g25

also what does ssa have to do with this ? Many dominicans or puerto ricans have more european ancestry than any MENA yet also have substantial SSA ancestry.

What's your steppe admixture? If it's in the low 10s, you're on par with western Armenians and some central/eastern Turks but definitely less than Eastern Armenians and Kurds

 

[Kurdquistador]

i am closing this thread because the video from twitter with the Kurds is deleted unfortunately . if you want to continue with your nice conversation then please open a thread for it or just chat in the off topic chat thread . because since the video in the OP here doesnt exist anymore i dont see the point of keeping this thread open

but i would be happy if you post in the new one with videos of Kurdish festivals in Hakkari province

the thread :

videos of Kurds from Kurdish festivals in Hakkari province . lots of Kurds

the video from the Diyarbakir province i posted lately got deleted unfortunately so here is a new thread but this time Hakkari province the number of gypsies should be low because if i am not wrong Hakkari is one of the provinces with less than others . i could be wrong about this though...

www.anthroworldforum.com

 

[Kurdquistador]

opened again because the video is back