Kurdish Eurogenes K12b results

[Kurdquistador]

Dishonest? Have you been hitting the sauce lately? You can't pick and choose whichever Georgian subgroup you'd like to use to model Armenians with and claim your selection to be the objective truth. Whether you like it or not, Georgians are in fact genetically heterogenous whether they are Anatolian-shifted, steppe-shifted, moon-shifted or what have you. My entire point is that you can't claim to model Armenians as 50/50 without specifying which Armenians you are using as a target and which Georgians as a reference.

Your model uses Muslims btw, I used Christians and even then, they clearly aren't 50/50 or in between.

i am just saying that it is nonsense to use the most CHG armenians and then the most anatolian like georgians like laz to disprove what i said even though it is a fact

there was a generic armenian reference before which i saved and look what it gets modelled like


Target: Armenian_B
Distance: 1.5619% / 0.01561861
60.0 Lebanese_Christian
40.0 Georgian_Imer

Target: Armenian
Distance: 1.8754% / 0.01875431
52.8 Lebanese_Christian
47.2 Georgian_Imer

 

[FinalFlash]

i am just saying that it is nonsense to use the most CHG armenians and then the most anatolian like georgians like laz to disprove what i said even though it is a fact

there was a generic armenian reference before which i saved and look what it gets modelled like


Target: Armenian_B
Distance: 1.5619% / 0.01561861
60.0 Lebanese_Christian
40.0 Georgian_Imer

Target: Armenian
Distance: 1.8754% / 0.01875431
52.8 Lebanese_Christian
47.2 Georgian_Imer

Generic references don't highlight the diversity of Armenians. It can include anything from Urfa to Syunik to Hamshen and anything in between. Just like "Georgian" can mean anything from Meskhetin to Khevsur.

You didn't disprove anything. You regurgitated what I said when I said that you can model Syunetsi as 50 NW Georgian(Megrel)/50 Lebanese. What you did do, is ignore the genetic diversity of Georgians to try and push your own bias by discrediting other Georgian subgroups using your arbitrary specifications. Hamshentsi are also Armenian, so are Syunetsi, as are Gesarian. What's your point here, really?

 

[Kurdquistador]

@Mesoman


Target: Kurdish
Distance: 3.5050% / 0.03505013
51.8 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
48.2 Tajik_Yagnobi

 

[Kurdquistador]

Generic references don't highlight the diversity of Armenians. It can include anything from Urfa to Syunik to Hamshen and anything in between. Just like "Georgian" can mean anything from Meskhetin to Khevsur.

You didn't disprove anything. You regurgitated what I said when I said that you can model Syunetsi as 50 NW Georgian(Megrel)/50 Lebanese. What you did do, is ignore the genetic diversity of Georgians to try and push your own bias by discrediting other Georgian subgroups using your arbitrary specifications. Hamshentsi are also Armenian, so are Syunetsi, as are Gesarian. What's your point here, really?

the problem probably arises by the fact that i use imeretians and megrels as the georgian reference while you like to take kartlians and laz

by the way off topic a little but just want to add that i saw you saying that georgians are the "least euro" northern west asians and have no steppe etc . . the CHG itself is already steppish . it has a strong shift towards WHG / EHG compared to Iran N . and georgians have the most CHG . thats why they look the most european like from us other wogs . (and because they have less southwest asian)

 

[Kurdquistador]

@Mesoman

Target: Kurdish
Distance: 3.6270% / 0.03627044

51.0 Tabasaran
47.8 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
1.2 Mongoloid


Distance to: Kurdish
0.07833074 Tabasaran
0.08575630 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour

 

[FinalFlash]

the problem probably arises by the fact that i use imeretians and megrels as the georgian reference while you like to take kartlians and laz

by the way off topic a little but just want to add that i saw you saying that georgians are the "least euro" northern west asians and have no steppe etc . . the CHG itself is already steppish . it has a strong shift towards WHG / EHG compared to Iran N . and georgians have the most CHG . thats why they look the most european like from us other wogs . (and because they have less southwest asian)

I don't "like" to take Kartlians and Laz nor Imeretians and Megrels. What would honestly give you this impression? I simply argued that you can't model Armenians as a 50/50 split between "Georgians" and Lebs without specifying which SUBGROUP of Georgians and Armenians you're sourcing/targeting. That's literally it. Come on dude it's not hard to grasp.

You could've just said "Hey, Syunik Armenians can be modeled as a 50/50 split SPECIFICALLY between NW Georgians(Megrels, Imer, etc) and Lebs". This would've been expected and a true statement imo.

As for Georgians being the least Euro, that's objectively true on an autosomal level for MOST Georgian subgroups if G25 is any indication. NW Georgians have noise level to no steppe at all. Same goes for Laz. Kartlians/Kakhetians do have some steppe(a bit less than Armenians). NE Georgians however, being very NE-Caucasian like have the most significant amount of steppe ancestry from all Kartvelians. With the exception of Khevsur/Tusheti, Georgians objectively have less steppe than all neighboring ethnic groups(Trabzonians not withstanding).

As for their appearance being "european", you can chalk that up to less Iran_N and BA Anatolian ancestry

 

[Kurdquistador]

no it is not the iran n . or not only . it is mostly the sw-asian that they have a lot less . i love how you try to say that iran n makes people darker or less euro looking while one only has to take a look at the kurdish gallery thread including the collage threads to see that we are no less "white" or muh yuropeen overlapping than other nwas and in fact even more than many ...... and we have according to G25 one of the highest Iran N in the region

and georgians dont score less european than us other nwa . just run them through calculators . i cant believe that people still talk like this . i have many nwa kits including georgian kits and i can show you how much they fucking score european

some even score 11 - 13 % north european on dodecad k12b . lol

thats because CHG itself is already EHG / WHG shifted , and because Anatolia N which they also have also is responsible for georgians scoring high west - med , atlantic etc

 

[FinalFlash]

no it is not the iran n . or not only . it is mostly the sw-asian that they have a lot less . i love how you try to say that iran n makes people darker or less euro looking while one only has to take a look at the kurdish gallery thread including the collage threads to see that we are no less "white" or muh yuropeen overlapping than other nwas and in fact even more than many ...... and we have according to G25 one of the highest Iran N in the region

and georgians dont score less european than us other nwa . just run them through calculators . i cant believe that people still talk like this . i have many nwa kits including georgian kits and i can show you how much they fucking score european

some even score 11 - 13 % north european on dodecad k12b . lol

thats because CHG itself is already EHG / WHG shifted

I did also say they have less BA Anatolian ancestry as well like Arslanteppe for instance. Also, what you just said is a red herring. Iran_N does in fact give a woggier appearance relative to any group that scores little to none of this admixture. This doesn't mean Kurds are less "muuuuuuh Yuropeen" or less "white"

Most Georgians do score less European than most Northwest Asian populations. A Georgian that scores 13% North European basically means that they're NE Georgians or probably have some type of Russian grandparent(not uncommon whatsoever). Or, it just mean the sample that has been used is a pile of shit or you should probably move on to better calculators 😉

 

[Kurdquistador]

I did say also say they have less BA Anatolian ancestry as well like Arslanteppe for instance. Also, what you just said is a red herring. Iran_N does in fact give a woggier appearance relative to any group that scores little to none of this admixture. This doesn't mean Kurds are less "muuuuuuh Yuropeen" or less "white"

Most Georgians do score less European than most Northwest Asian populations. A Georgian that scores 13% North European basically means that they're NE Georgians or probably have some type of Russian grandparent(not uncommon whatsoever). Or, it just mean the sample that has been used is a pile of shit or you should probably move on to better calculators 😉

if iran n made you woggier we wouldnt look the way we look . period . iran n makes one in no fucking way more woggy than natufian for example . dont be idiotic bro please this is getting ridiculous

and no they are not NE georgians . in fact it is often the west georgians who score like this

i can show you anytime

and they also score a lot of "european" in many other calcs

please stop repeating common phrases that are thrown around and that nobody questions and idiots just take them for granted and say it whenever they can just to swim with the masses .....

 

[Kurdquistador]

just an example

surname : Ketsbaia . west georgian surname . most likely mingrelian or maybe even abkhaz

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 62.26
2 Gedrosia 17.95
3 North_European 11.76
4 Southwest_Asian 3.07
5 Atlantic_Med 2.93
6 Siberian 1.7
7 East_African 0.33


look at the north euro score and the southwest asian score

also look at the gedrosia score which makes people sudanese yet second highest score of this gentleman....

 

[Ben Dover]

just an example

surname : Ketsbaia . west georgian surname . most likely mingrelian or maybe even abkhaz

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 62.26
2 Gedrosia 17.95
3 North_European 11.76
4 Southwest_Asian 3.07
5 Atlantic_Med 2.93
6 Siberian 1.7
7 East_African 0.33


look at the north euro score and the southwest asian score

also look at the gedrosia score which makes people sudanese yet second highest score of this gentleman....

Post his eurogenes k12b pleaz

 

[Kurdquistador]

Post his eurogenes k12b pleaz

 

[FinalFlash]

if iran n made you woggier we wouldnt look the way we look . period . iran n makes one in no fucking way more woggy than natufian for example . dont be idiotic bro please this is getting ridiculous

and no they are not NE georgians . in fact it is often the west georgians who score like this

i can show you anytime

and they also score a lot of "european" in many other calcs

please stop repeating common phrases that are thrown around and that nobody questions and idiots just take them for granted and say it whenever they can just to swim with the masses .....

just an example

surname : Ketsbaia . west georgian surname . most likely mingrelian or maybe even abkhaz

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 62.26
2 Gedrosia 17.95
3 North_European 11.76
4 Southwest_Asian 3.07
5 Atlantic_Med 2.93
6 Siberian 1.7
7 East_African 0.33

I don't subscribe to anyone person's or group's thoughts and ideas. I am basing what I have said from my own personal research. I'm well aware of the propaganda machine anthroforums can be. I've ran the samples on G25 my friend and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that no Imeretian, Svan, Megrel, Laz, Ajarian, Kakhetian, Meskhetian, and Kartlian score anywhere close to 11-13% NORTH EUROPEAN unless they were mixed individuals.

The only logical explanation for that kit you posted is either

a. you don't truly know for sure where that Georgian is from
b. could MAYBE be an Abkhazian who are Kabardin/Adyghean shifted
c. is in fact a Khevsurian or Tushetian

 

[Kurdquistador]

I don't subscribe to anyone person's or group's thoughts and ideas. I am basing what I have said from my own personal research. I'm well aware of the propaganda machine anthroforums can be. I've ran the samples on G25 my friend and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that no Imeretian, Svan, Megrel, Laz, Ajarian, Kakhetian, Meskhetian, and Kartlian score anywhere close to 11-13% NORTH EUROPEAN unless they were mixed individuals.

The only logical explanation for that kit you posted is either

a. you don't truly know for sure where that Georgian is from
b. could MAYBE be an Abkhazian who are Kabardin/Adyghean shifted
c. is in fact a Khevsurian or Tushetian

bro it seems as if i am talking to a wall

dude is obviously a megrel or abkhaz with that surname . and no he is not kabardin / adyghe shifted . i can show you many more such georgians scoring a lot of north euro . i actually also have an actual khevsur kit too btw

many georgians score elevated north euro . and almost all score sw-asian below 10% regardless of region

CHG ITSELF IS STEPPE LEANING NO NEEEED FOOOOOR MUH STEEEEPPPE BRO ....wtf

 

[Kurdquistador]

this girl / woman i have found from "one to many" search on gedmatch using my own kit number . so possible that we are very distantly related or some shit

surname : Chkhaidze


# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 54.84
2 Gedrosia 15.14
3 North_European 12.2
4 Southwest_Asian 9.01
5 Atlantic_Med 6.69
6 South_Asian 1.17
7 East_Asian 0.96

 

[Kurdquistador]

surname : Khelaia

western as fuck surname . lol

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 56.82
2 Gedrosia 17.26
3 North_European 14.12
4 Southwest_Asian 6.19
5 Atlantic_Med 5.18
6 South_Asian 0.37
7 Southeast_Asian 0.06

 

[Kurdquistador]

anyway we are too off topic

if you want to see more georgian results tell me and i will post them in another thread

 

[Ben Dover]

I would like to see more georgian eurogenes k12b results in northern west asian eurogenes k12b thread

 

[Kurdquistador]

I would like to see more georgian eurogenes k12b results in northern west asian eurogenes k12b thread

it is confusing though because i dont know which kits i already posted and which not lol . maybe you should open a georgian gedmatch results thread (i dont want to because of reasons) and i can post in it

 

[FinalFlash]

bro it seems as if i am talking to a wall

dude is obviously a megrel or abkhaz with that surname . and no he is not kabardin / adyghe shifted . i can show you many more such georgians scoring a lot of north euro . i actually also have an actual khevsur kit too btw

many georgians score elevated north euro . and almost all score sw-asian below 10% regardless of region

CHG ITSELF IS STEPPE LEANING NO NEEEED FOOOOOR MUH STEEEEPPPE BRO ....wtf

Take a breather before you blow a gasket.

Here you go:

Spoiler

Target Distance Adygei Georgian_Svan
Abkhasian 0.01217609 24.6 75.4
Average 0.01217609 24.6 75.4

Target Distance Adygei Georgian_Imer
Abkhasian 0.01139304 42.4 57.6
Average 0.01139304 42.4 57.6

Target Distance Adygei Georgian_Megr
Abkhasian 0.00911061 36.8 63.2
Average 0.00911061 36.8 63.2

I used all 3 NW Georgian Subgroups who are the closest to Abkhazians as source populations along with Adygei.

As you can clearly see, Abkhazians are clearly NW Caucasian shifted which means more steppe and some East Asian related ancestry that NW Georgians DO NOT HAVE. As a matter of fact, I would even argue that they are an extension of the NW Caucasian people form a genetics standpoint.


Steppe leaning or not it doesn't take away from the fact that CHG=/=North European. If a supposed Georgian individual with a non-NE Georgian sounding name scores high amounts of North European on a calculator, then they are either Abkhaz OR RUSSIAN ADMIXED. Yes, Abkhazia has a significant Russian population given the small land area so it's not out of the question for some Abkhaz to have Russian ancestry.