Kurdish Eurogenes K12b results

[FinalFlash]

many armenians score 18% . i even have armenian kits with 20%

Re-read what I said. Only subgroups of Armenians that score this high are most likely from Urfa or some other southern-shifted region.

 

[Guti]

That's more SW Asian than what some Armenians score and right on part with Eastern Armenians.

OK, but I have also much more 'West Central Asian' component than the most Armenians do. High 'West Central Asian' component makes me less 'Semitic' than what Armenians are. Because of my higher 'West Central Asian' component I am also more shifted toward Caucasus/Iranian Plateau compared to the Armenians.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Re-read what I said. Only subgroups of Armenians that score this high are most likely from Urfa or some other southern-shifted region.

i can show you the kits . they all have armenian names and surnames . do urfa armenians etc. also have such names ? just curious

 

[FinalFlash]

OK, but I have also much more 'West Central Asian' component than the most Armenians. High 'West Central Asian' component makes me less 'Semitic' than what Armenians are. Because of my higher 'West Central Asian' component I am also more shifted toward Caucasus/Iranian Plateau compared to the Armenians.

It doesn't make you less 'semitic', it makes you considerably more Iranian-shifted than what Armenians are. Also, you aren't more Caucasus-shifted than what Armenians are. The notion of a Yezdi having more Caucasus-related ancestry than Armenians is highly unlikely, if not laughable.

 

[FinalFlash]

i can show you the kits . they all have armenian names and surnames . do urfa armenians etc. also have such names ? just curious

I've ran many kits myself.

Hamshentsi Armenians score less SW Asian than Kurds do. East Armenians are roughly on par. Urfa and other southern shifted Armenians score in between Kurds and North Mesopotamians.

 

[Kurdquistador]

I've ran many kits myself.

Hamshentsi Armenians score less SW Asian than Kurds do. East Armenians are roughly on par. Urfa and other southern shifted Armenians score in between Kurds and North Mesopotamians.

but hemshenis are a small subgroup of armenians

i can send you the kits if you want . i doubt they are all from urfa or something

 

[FinalFlash]

but hemshenis are a small subgroup of armenians

i can send you the kits if you want . i doubt they are all from urfa or something

They're not a small subgroup. There are probably over a million worldwide and most live in Abkhazia and the Krasnodar region of Russia.

 

[Kurdquistador]

ok bro

by the way dont listen to Guti about kurds being more caucasus than armenians . lol

 

[FinalFlash]

My 'West Central Asian' ancestry in me pulls me away from the Semites. On the academic PCA maps Ezdi Kurds cluster closer to the people of the Caucasus than the Armenians do. Armenians are not really Caucasian people. Armenians are 'Anatolian' people.

Most people in the Caucasus have the same amount of 'West Central Asian' component/ancestry as I do. Think of North Eastern Caucasian people like Lezgians etc.

Armenians are more 'Anatolian' shifted compared to the Kurds and therefore they are closer to the Levant and Semites.

Most Caucasians score very little, and considerably less West Central Asian than Yezdis. Yezdis are an Iranian-shifted people, not Caucasian at all.

As a matter of fact, Armenians are considerably closer to Trabzonians, Laz, and Southern Georgians than Yezdis are to the adormentioned groups. And I'm not even talking about Hamshentsi.

Armenians are more Anatolian-shifted relative to Yezdi because of higher EEF scores.

 

[FinalFlash]

ok bro

by the way dont listen to Guti about kurds being more caucasus than armenians . lol

Yeah, I realized it was Zoro from TA lol. The guy is in denial 😂

 

[Kurdquistador]

Most Caucasians score very little, and considerably less West Central Asian than Yezdis. Yezdis are an Iranian-shifted people, not Caucasian at all.

As a matter of fact, Armenians are considerably closer to Trabzonians, Laz, and Southern Georgians than Yezdis are to the adormentioned groups. And I'm not even talking about Hamshentsi.

Armenians are more Anatolian-shifted relative to Yezdi because of higher EEF scores.

northwest iranians yes . but we often have differences to most other iranians because some of them score a lot of south asian (our south asian score average is 2% so almost nothing) .....even some central and even north persians can get 8-12% !! . and they have also a lot less mediterranean than us

armenians also score a lot of west-central asian . less than us but still a lot

armenians can be modelled as half lebanese half georgian btw. . many armenians get this also on eurogenes k13

by the way Guti is not zoro

 

[Kurdquistador]

oh and by the way the west-central asian component is related to the caucasus component . many georgians score 10-12 % themselves . i have one georgian kit who even scores 15

 

[FinalFlash]

northwest iranians yes . but we often have differences to most other iranians because some of them score a lot of south asian (our south asian score average is 2% so almost nothing) .....even some central and even north persians can get 8-12% !! . and they have also a lot less mediterranean than us

armenians also score a lot of west-central asian . less than us but still a lot

armenians can be modelled as half lebanese half georgian btw. . many armenians get this also on eurogenes k13

by the way Guti is not zoro

What type of Georgian and Lebanese are we talking in your model and at what distance? Also, what type of Armenian are we modeling here? I told you before,.Gedmatch gives default and unreliable models at whacky distances which is why I don't trust that calc. This is precisely where G25 shines in comparison.

 

[FinalFlash]

oh and by the way the west-central asian component is related to the caucasus component . many georgians score 10-12 % themselves . i have one georgian kit who even scores 15

Nowhere close to what Yezdis score. It's a modest component in most Georgians at best.

 

[Kurdquistador]

the distances on gedmatch with such calculations are often pretty decent . 2-3

you can also model armenians that way with G25 . also with a good distance

trust me armenians get modelled as half levant half geo

 

[Kurdquistador]

Nowhere close to what Yezdis score. It's a modest component in most Georgians at best.

of course kurds score more of it . but 10-12 % is still pretty significant . and like i said one georgian kit i have even scores 15 % . i bet there are some more georgians like her you can find who score that high

 

[Guti]

Here you can see that the Ezdi Kurds are more shifted toward other Caucasians that the Armenians do

Ancient human genome-wide data from a 3000-year interval in the Caucasus corresponds with eco-geographic regions - Nature Communications

The Caucasus mountain range has impacted on the culture and genetics of the wider region. Here, the authors generate genome-wide SNP data for 45 Eneolithic and Bronze Age individuals across the Caucasus, and find distinct genetic clusters between mountain and steppe zones as well as occasional...

www.nature.com

 

[Kurdquistador]

^ that pca probably doesnt differentate between caucasus and west-central asian genome . i trust eu-k12b in this . and it is a fact that armenians score more caucasus than us

 

[Kurdquistador]

It does. It has CHG and Iran_Neo as separate entities in it. Also ANE. Don't forget that Kurds are mostly Iran_ChL/CHG people and not Iran_Neo at all.

if that was the case then armenians wouldnt score more caucasus than us on eu-k12b

 

[FinalFlash]

True, Yezidi Kurds are Aryan/Iranic people. They are of the Indo-European origin, while most people in the Caucasus are of the 'Hurrian' origin.

But there are many people in the North Eastern Caucasus that score around the same 'West Central Asian' component as the Ezdi Kurds do

Well, at least we can agree on some things.

Sure, some NE Caucasians can in fact score relatively high West Central Asian compare to say Chechens/Ingush, Maykopians, and Georgians.