i just made a G25 model based on this qpAdm model

[Ben Dover]

what i find very terrifiying is that there were no dentists

Not only there were no dentists but there was no way anyone could get any kind of medical help. People were just living in caves, having sex, hunting-gathering and that was their lives, outside of that there was nothing they did or could do.

 

[Kurdquistador]

by the way i am was reading on several sites that the kebaran might be the closest thing to the hypo basal eurasian . this proto kebaran reconstruction might be the closest thing so far what we have that is basal eurasian

 

[Ben Dover]

by the way i am was reading on several sites that the kebaran might be the closest thing to the hypo basal eurasian . this proto kebaran reconstruction might be the closest thing so far what we have that is basal eurasian

And so was natufian but it was marginally less related to basal eurasians than kebarans were. Apparently, these people didn't even interbreed with other human species.

 

[Kurdquistador]

Natufian Eurogenes K13 results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Red_Sea 38.37
2 East_Med 36.34
3 West_Med 19.79
4 Northeast_African 5.5

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Saudi 16.81
2 Yemenite_Jewish 21.66
3 Bedouin 22.15
4 Egyptian 23.39
5 Moroccan 26.55
6 Tunisian 27.41
7 Palestinian 27.61
8 Algerian 27.65
9 Jordanian 28.9
10 Mozabite_Berber 29.05
11 Samaritan 29.45
12 Libyan_Jewish 29.49
13 Tunisian_Jewish 30.36
14 Syrian 30.78
15 Lebanese_Christian 32.32
16 Algerian_Jewish 32.67
17 Sephardic_Jewish 33.2
18 Lebanese_Muslim 33.75
19 Italian_Jewish 34.11
20 Cyprian 34.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% Saudi + 30.4% Moroccan @ 13.52
2 83.4% Saudi + 16.6% Sardinian @ 13.71
3 74.2% Saudi + 25.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 14.33
4 73.6% Saudi + 26.4% Algerian @ 14.53
5 74.3% Saudi + 25.7% Tunisian @ 14.79
6 90.9% Saudi + 9.1% French_Basque @ 15.51
7 90.3% Saudi + 9.7% Southwest_French @ 15.69
8 90.2% Saudi + 9.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.74
9 90.2% Saudi + 9.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 15.75
10 90.1% Saudi + 9.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 15.81
11 89.8% Saudi + 10.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 15.82
12 90.1% Saudi + 9.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 15.85
13 89.7% Saudi + 10.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 15.85
14 90.3% Saudi + 9.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 15.89
15 90.7% Saudi + 9.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 15.93
16 90.3% Saudi + 9.7% Portuguese @ 15.94
17 90.4% Saudi + 9.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 15.94
18 91.5% Saudi + 8.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.07
19 90.6% Saudi + 9.4% North_Italian @ 16.15
20 90.8% Saudi + 9.2% Tuscan @ 16.31

 

[Kurdquistador]

since kebaran is proto natufian and the reconstruction is proto kebaran i would say the red sea is most likely = the reconstruction

 

[Ben Dover]

Gedmatch and euk12b can't really comprehend ancients that old. The reason why euk13 models natufian kit as 70% saudi 30% north african is because natufian had muh iberomaurusian shift but it also doesn't take into account that north africans have much more med, and they even have some steppe alongside IBM.

 

[Kurdquistador]

proto kebaran reconstructiion is probably something like 80% Red Sea + 20% Northeast African

 

[Ben Dover]

since kebaran is proto natufian and the reconstruction is proto kebaran i would say the red sea is most likely = the reconstruction

Red sea component is a modern component though

 

[Kurdquistador]

Red sea component is a modern component though

i know bro but i am trying to isolate. i am trying with logic to extract the "actual" kebaran or proto kebaran out of the natufian as component in gedmatch

so far i have came to the conclusion that eurogenes k15 is good for it . K13 too but k15 might be better . the red sea component there = kebaran / proto kebaran . also maybe parttially the northeast african component too

 

[Ben Dover]

i know bro but i am trying to isolate. i am trying with logic to extract the "actual" kebaran or proto kebaran out of the natufian as component in gedmatch

so far i have came to the conclusion that eurogenes k15 is good for it . K13 too but k15 might be better . the red sea component there = kebaran / proto kebaran . also maybe parttially the northeast african component too

No bro you can't possibly know that and logically if anything the red sea component is based on some modern day east african population with significant natufian/kebaran ancestry, the rest being SSA like

 

[Kurdquistador]

No bro you can't possibly know that and logically if anything the red sea component is based on some modern day east african population with significant natufian/kebaran ancestry, the rest being SSA like

no because what you mean applies to the northeast african component ☺️ ...what you just said i am saying for the northeast african component

i am decently sure that red sea component is kebaran or proto kebaran . closest / best we can work with .

 

[Ben Dover]

no because what you mean applies to the northeast african component ☺️ ...what you just said i am saying for the northeast african component

i am decently sure that red sea component is kebaran or proto kebaran . closest / best we can work with .

Assumptions, assumptions assumptions

 

[Kurdquistador]

also try with these 2 Iran N individuals . they work better . at least for me .

Iran_N:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N:I1945,0.048944,0.069056,-0.15198,-0.000646,-0.128332,0.031236,0.014806,0.002538,-0.086105,-0.058498,-0.007795,0.002997,-0.001338,-0.000413,0.029858,0.054494,-0.015516,0.003927,0.016466,-0.027763,0.002121,-0.023618,-0.008258,-0.034342,0.020118
Iran_N:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N:I1954,0.053497,0.072103,-0.150848,0.004199,-0.126177,0.024542,0.022091,0.000462,-0.086514,-0.05376,-0.00341,-0.005395,0.008176,-0.000963,0.02823,0.043755,-0.01356,0.006334,0.011816,-0.04127,0.003494,-0.030048,-0.005669,-0.036391,0.025866



Target: fuckeeeeer_scaled
Distance: 4.5589% / 0.04558907
41.4 Iran_N
36.8 Anatolian_Hunter_Gatherer
9.8 Natufian
6.8 Satsurblia_CHG
3.8 East_European_HG
1.4 East_Eurasian



and with Kotias instead of Satsu CHG i get this :

Target: fuckeeeeer_scaled
Distance: 4.4496% / 0.04449649
39.2 Iran_N
35.4 Anatolian_Hunter_Gatherer
10.4 Natufian
10.2 Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer
3.4 East_European_HG
1.4 East_Eurasian

 

[Demir]

There is something severely wrong with your calculator

Target: Demir_scaled Distance: 4.6036% / 0.04603555
37.6	Anatolian_Hunter_Gatherer
17.0	Iran_N
15.6	Satsurblia_CHG
11.6	East_Eurasian
10.8	East_European_HG
7.4	Natufian

It underestimates my East Eurasian admixture decreases my CHG & EHG Increases Iran_N and Natufian.

 

[Demir]

There is something severely wrong with your calculator

Target: Demir_scaled Distance: 4.6036% / 0.04603555
37.6	Anatolian_Hunter_Gatherer
17.0	Iran_N
15.6	Satsurblia_CHG
11.6	East_Eurasian
10.8	East_European_HG
7.4	Natufian

It underestimates my East Eurasian admixture decreases my CHG & EHG Increases Iran_N and Natufian.

I would have chosen Sidelkino HG instead of Samara HG since it has more relation with ANE and less with Oberkassel like WHG admixture.

 

[Ben Dover]

@Demir Which province of Turkey do you come from

 

[Kurdquistador]

There is something severely wrong with your calculator

Target: Demir_scaled Distance: 4.6036% / 0.04603555
37.6	Anatolian_Hunter_Gatherer
17.0	Iran_N
15.6	Satsurblia_CHG
11.6	East_Eurasian
10.8	East_European_HG
7.4	Natufian

It underestimates my East Eurasian admixture decreases my CHG & EHG Increases Iran_N and Natufian.

this is just a model i made based on some qpAdm run

can you make a thread about your own model ? i have seen it on TA

 

[Demir]

@Demir Which province of Turkey do you come from

I'm from Ankara, with one of my parents being from Bolu.

this is just a model i made based on some qpAdm run

can you make a thread about your own model ? i have seen it on TA

Will do when my work is over.

 

[KARABOĞA]