how Iran Neolithic and CHG most likely looked like

[Kurdquistador]

i have found another very very good proxy to what Iran N looked like IMO

the baloch man playing the instrument . but not the pajeetoids and ssa mixed people in the background . trolls would want you to believe that they are actually how Iran N looked xD lol . but as we have proved with our analysis that is not the case (it cant be . if in doubt read the OP )

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[Kurdquistador]

as you all should know by now there is a Iranian Hunter Gatherer (Hotu cave) female reconstruction from AncestralWhispers . i posted it a few times . and Iran HG / Hotu is mostly Iran N with some EHG and minor other stuff like a bit AASI and a tiny bit ssa . but it is mostly Iran N


i have used faceapp to turn that female reconstruction to male

and this is how it looks .

smiling :

 

[Ben Dover]

according to enigma's latest model here's the breakdown for makranis. if these people had no AASI/non-west eurasian admixture we would get extremely close to figuring out what Iran_N looked like

Target: Makrani
Distance: 1.9750% / 0.01975000
61.4 Iran_N
14.8 Balkan_N
11.8 East_European_HG
6.8 AASI
3.2 Taforalt
1.2 WHG
0.6 SSA
0.2 Arabian_HG/Natufian

 

[Kurdquistador]

according to enigma's latest model here's the breakdown for makranis. if these people had no AASI/non-west eurasian admixture we would get extremely close to figuring out what Iran_N looked like

Target: Makrani
Distance: 1.9750% / 0.01975000
61.4 Iran_N
14.8 Balkan_N
11.8 East_European_HG
6.8 AASI
3.2 Taforalt
1.2 WHG
0.6 SSA
0.2 Arabian_HG/Natufian

if i am not wrong then these 2 people are Makrani Balochs

 

[idklolimo]

regular white people from USA do not like the South Slavic peoples and Slavic peoples

 

[Ben Dover]

what does that have to do with the thread

 

[Kurdquistador]

ancestralwhispers made this reconstruction of a man from tthe Kelteminar culture . apperently they were mostly Iran N with some ANE

however this reconstruction might not be very accurate because ancestralwhispers have it wrong with ANE because their reconstructions of skulls who were predominantly of ANE ancestry are different from their hypothetical ANE reconstruction . the hypothetical ANE reconstruction is not accurate which leads to errors when they reconstruct skulls who were part ANE ....they basically reconstruct them with an errored bias in their heads

 

[Ben Dover]

damn. i wish we had this eneolithic north caucasian sample's reconstruction at hand

 

[Ben Dover]

the sample above probably looked like this svan stoner politician

 

[Kurdquistador]

this Svan woman i bet has a looooot of CHG

she looks like a reconstruction here lol :

 

[Ben Dover]

this Svan woman i bet has a looooot of CHG

she looks like a reconstruction here lol :

this woman will have around 60%. but that sample has 73% which is a fucking ton. by the way this woman looks sort of ANE admixed. pretty sure CHG had ANEoid looking tribespeople

 

[Kurdquistador]

since this is Hotu / Iran HG (i made her male using faceapp) and since Hotu was mostly Iran N with some EHG . and since Iran N and CHG are similar and since CHG has a EHG / WHG shift compared to Iran N ...

...it is safe to say that CHG looked like a lighter version of this :

look at Georgian footbaler Valeri Qazaishvili . i can totally see the CHG

 

[Ben Dover]

good point. but that hotu reconstruction was made by ancestralwhispers which as you know can sometimes be shit at making reconstructions. take a look at how they reconstructed CHG. bullshit

 

[Kurdquistador]

good point. but that hotu reconstruction was made by ancestralwhispers which as you know can sometimes be shit at making reconstructions. take a look at how they reconstructed CHG. bullshit

my guess is that that CHG they reconstructed had some other stuff in him like native american or something and that he is not like Kotias , Satsurblia and the like

ancestralwhispers actually said that that CHG from Satanay was 1/4 EHG . ancestralwhispers lately made a EHG reconstruction from Karelia which looks strongly east eurasian influenced . safe to say that some EHG were mong influenced . i think Satanay was not the CHG that is relevant for us all

 

[Ben Dover]

my guess is that that CHG they reconstructed had some other stuff in him like native american or something and that he is not like Kotias , Satsurblia and the like

ancestralwhispers actually said that that CHG from Satanay was 1/4 EHG . ancestralwhispers lately made a EHG reconstruction from Karelia which looks strongly east eurasian influenced . safe to say that some EHG were mong influenced . i think Satanay was not the CHG that is relevant for us all

kotia is relevant for us. not even satsurblia. especially for georgians, me and other steppe bereft northern west asians who dont derive their CHG ancestry through yamnaya.

in general ancestralwhispers does not have a good track record for accuracy when it comes to their reconstructions but EHG was 10% mongoloid so some tribespeople would have had mongoloid influenced facial features n shiet

 

[idklolimo]

@ENIGMA

what do you think?

Iranid/Indid phenotype... LMFAO

 

[Ben Dover]

https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/eU1K7wUJti

 

[Kurdquistador]

i am arguing with them right now

i will now give you the final punch on why Iran N is NOT responsible to make those south asian looking balochs look south asian . or dark


1. according to these guys on reddit the baloch are dark and look south asian .

2. they say because they have the highest Iran N Iran N looked like them

3. when i show Kurds and ask people why we look this "white" then they say "oh well you have EEF and Steppe" . lol . ok . now ..,..


Balochs have Steppe too . not even little . they have more than us . and they also have some EEF

so according to their logic when we look at those brown and south asian looking balochs then Iran N was even darker than these modern balochs because balochs score substantial steppe and some EEF

which would mean that Iran _ N was almost black skinned and looked almost like a modern south indian

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if Iran N was south indian like we would NEVER EVER look like this because we are around 35 % some up to 40% Iran N on G25
our EEF and Steppe would not nearly be enough to counterwash the Iran N to make us look like we do


NO guys . it is NOT Iran_N that makes those balochs dark and south asian looking . it is their AAAAAASI ffs . AASI is black skinned and non west eurasian feature wise . THAT is the reason why those balochs look the way they do


Baloch are on average 8-9% AASI on G25 . that is more than enough to have such an effect on looks . heck i have seen people who are 6% or so mongoloid who look mongoloid influenced . AASI is way stronger than mongoloid and will influence looks even more

and remember if average is 8.5 then there are also many 12-13 % which is a shit ton

look at these balochs i ran on Genoplot through the illustrative model . look at their AASI . you think that their AASI has no effect on looks ? really ?

 

[Kurdquistador]

people who say that this much AASI in Baloch is not enough to effect phenotype are beyond silly

let me show you a Hungarian with 6.38 % mongoloid .

from the MDLP K18 ancient roots calculator :

Caucasian 12.43%
Melano-Austronesian 0.00%
Volga-Uralic 0.91%
East_Siberian 1.08%
West_Siberian 1.85%
South_Central_Asian 3.35%
South_Indian 0.50%
North_West_European 16.15%
Sami-Finnic 2.12%
South_East_Asian 2.45%
Archaic_African 0.00%
Mediterranean 19.73%
Arctic 0.00%
Afroasiatic 2.41%
East_European 33.95%
Roma 2.75%
East_African 0.31%
Amerindian 0.00%


1.08 + 1.85 + 2.45 . and i think sami finnic is not fully east eurasian so i took it as 1.00 %

total = 6.38 %

6.38% mongoloid . Hungarian guy

as you see even 6% mongoloid despite mongoloid not being such a dominant and exotic component as AASI will show on phenotype . now imagine Balochs with an 8.5 % average AASI score and many having even 12-13 % . AASI is basically black skinned and non west eurasian and will effect pheno stronger than mongoloid

this is the hungarian bro :

 

[Ben Dover]

if you have this guys harappawolrd results then we could compare how expressive and dominant s-indian/AASI is compared to mongoloid components over there