how Iran Neolithic and CHG most likely looked like

[Kurdquistador]

Baloch guy . Iran N / Zagros N looked very similar to this imo

 

[Kurdquistador]

i look like 60% Early European Farmers (Barcin N etc) + 40% Iran_N

on G25 EEF is my biggest component closely followed by Iran_N

 

[Kurdquistador]

more Iran N referencoids

 

[Ben Dover]

Do we have a reconstruction of BMAC because they would have been a better proxy for Iran_N than Baloch are

Target: Turkmenistan_LBA_Parkhai
Distance: 2.8950% / 0.02894966
61.8 Iran_N
22.6 Caucasus_HG
12.6 EEF_Balkan_N
3.0 EHG

 

[Kurdquistador]

Do we have a reconstruction of BMAC because they would have been a better proxy for Iran_N than Baloch are

Target: Turkmenistan_LBA_Parkhai
Distance: 2.8950% / 0.02894966
61.8 Iran_N
22.6 Caucasus_HG
12.6 EEF_Balkan_N
3.0 EHG

why would they though ?

 

[Ben Dover]

why would they though ?

because they don't have AASI? and they are as Iran_N as Balochis are. On top of it other than Iran_N they have CHG, EEF and a tiny bit EHG. For sure they would be more similar to Iran_N than Balochis are

 

[Kurdquistador]

there are 2 BMAC reconstructions from ancestralwhispers but the problem is BMAC people were diverse . some were curryoid too . some were modern Georgian like at the same time etc

here are the BMAC reconstructions :

https://nsgnforlqltuuebdvocw.supabase.co/storage/v1/object/public/reconstructions/reconstruction-fulls/BMAC1Redcon.webp

https://nsgnforlqltuuebdvocw.supabase.co/storage/v1/object/public/reconstructions/reconstruction-fulls/BMAC2Recon.webp

and here is Iran Meso woman . she is mostly Iran N . so she would be best proxy

https://nsgnforlqltuuebdvocw.supabase.co/storage/v1/object/public/reconstructions/reconstruction-fulls/HotuRecon.webp

 

[Ben Dover]

well.. these BMAC reconstructions are horseshit. Because as you can see by DNA there is no reason for them to have looked curryoid or as exotic as these reconstructions make them to be. Ancestralwhispers strikes again. I noticed that if you lighten up this Iran Mesolithic female reconstruction, she would pass as Georgianoid quite well. but again that reconstruction was made by AWH so not sure if I wanna trust it

 

[Kurdquistador]

the bmac reconstructions dont look curryoid to me personally tbh

but i also dont fully trust ancestralwhispers reconstructions in general . they often edit their reconstructions and change them . therefore there seems to not be a total certainity in their works

and the CHG reconstruction looks odd aswell

 

[Ben Dover]

most of their reconstructions don't make sense. but curryoid or not I doubt BMAC looked they way AWH depicts them

 

[Kurdquistador]

most of their reconstructions don't make sense. but curryoid or not I doubt BMAC looked they way AWH depicts them

i agree but dont forget that these particular bmac might be genetically different from the one you used above

some bmac had high curry

 

[Ben Dover]

i agree but dont forget that these particular bmac might be genetically different from the one you used above

some bmac had high curry

I guess you are right. This one surely has high pajeet. but the ones with 0% AASI would be the best proxies to Iran_N after Hotu or Belt Cave samples. but the thing is that we have just as much ancestry from Iran_Meso as from Iran_N

Target: Turkmenistan_Gonur_BA_2
Distance: 4.1356% / 0.04135627
64.4 Iran_N
21.0 AASI
9.2 Caucasus_HG
5.4 EHG

 

[Kurdquistador]

this is the reconstruction of a proto yamnaya man from chechnya area . my guess is that this is the "baloch/gedrosia" and "caucasian" part of the yamnaya before mixing with the EHG people northwards

so therefore this reconstruction might be CHG and Iran N like . probably like a mix of the 2

Yamnaya Samara / Steppe Eurogenes K12b . look at the west-central asian and caucasus scores

yamnaya samara Dodecad K12b results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 60.13
2 Gedrosia 32.25
3 Caucasus 3.69
4 Atlantic_Med 1.46
5 Siberian 1.39
6 Sub_Saharan 0.8
7 South_Asian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 29.01
2 Russian (HGDP) 30.94
3 Russian (Dodecad) 31.73
4 Russian_B (Behar) 33.26
5 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 33.38
6 FIN30 (1000Genomes) 34.07
7 Chuvashs (Behar) 34.14
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 34.44
9 Belorussian (Behar) 34.44
10 Lithuanian (Dodecad) 34.61
11 Finnish (Dodecad) 34.94
12 Polish (Dodecad) 35.26
13 Lithuanians (Behar) 35.56
14 Swedish (Dodecad) 37.16
15 Hungarians (Behar) 38.46
16 German (Dodecad) 39.26
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 39.48
18 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 42.04
19 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 42.44
20 Dutch (Dodecad) 42.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.7% Lithuanians (Behar) + 33.3% Brahui (HGDP) @ 15.42
2 65.6% Lithuanians (Behar) + 34.4% Balochi (HGDP) @ 16.06
3 67.5% Finnish (Dodecad) + 32.5% Brahui (HGDP) @ 16.41
4 66.2% Finnish (Dodecad) + 33.8% Balochi (HGDP) @ 16.69
5 65.7% Lithuanians (Behar) + 34.3% Makrani (HGDP) @ 16.86
6 67.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 32.1% Brahui (HGDP) @ 16.95
7 68.5% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 31.5% Brahui (HGDP) @ 17.14
8 66.3% Finnish (Dodecad) + 33.7% Makrani (HGDP) @ 17.38
9 67.2% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 32.8% Balochi (HGDP) @ 17.41
10 66.8% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 33.2% Balochi (HGDP) @ 17.64
11 67.3% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 32.7% Makrani (HGDP) @ 18.06
12 67% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 33% Makrani (HGDP) @ 18.44
13 74.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 25.9% Brahui (HGDP) @ 18.74
14 72.3% Russian (HGDP) + 27.7% Brahui (HGDP) @ 19.16
15 73.4% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 26.6% Balochi (HGDP) @ 19.44
16 70.2% Russian_B (Behar) + 29.8% Brahui (HGDP) @ 19.69
17 71.4% Russian (HGDP) + 28.6% Balochi (HGDP) @ 19.76
18 61.7% Finnish (Dodecad) + 38.3% Pathan (HGDP) @ 19.77
19 61.1% Lithuanians (Behar) + 38.9% Pathan (HGDP) @ 19.77
20 73.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 26.2% Makrani (HGDP) @ 20.1







so this proto steppe bamut reconstruction can not be anything else than Iran N and / or CHG . maybe ghost Iran N / CHG . because if this reconstruction had that much north european as Steppe does then the reconstruction would be a lot lighter than it is

imo the bamut reconstruction is Iran N like the most


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[Kurdquistador]

and funnily enough this Bamut proto Steppe reconstruction look similar to the examples i gave in this thread how Iran N likely looked like haha like wow . i knew i am close with my guesses of Iran N oids

 

[Kurdquistador]

the bamut reconstruction i just posted above who as i said is Iran N or Iran N + some CHG also looks as if he belongs to the same ethnosphere as this Iranian Hunter Gatherer woman . Iranian Hunter Gatherers were mostly Iran N with some EHG

both together :

 

[idklolimo]

...

They are look similar

 

[Kurdquistador]

They are look similar

the bamut / proto yamnaya was most likely Iran N with some CHG or vice versa . imo Iran N heavy is more likely because of the baloch / gedrosia scores from gedmatch

also look here this is how it scores on Gedrosia K12


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 49.12
2 BALOCHI 23.2
3 CAUCASUS 19.19
4 EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 3.97
5 E_SIBERIAN 2.39
6 S_INDIAN 1.67
7 SUB_SAHARAN 0.46


bamut is in chechnya . samara and the like where steppe formed / is from is more north . so it seems that bamut was Iran N / CHG and moved upwards and mixed with North / East Euro people to form yamnaya / steppe

it all makes sense

 

[Kurdquistador]

also as i said look at the baloch / brahui people in this thread who i gave as examples how Iran N likely looked like . they look like these 2 reconstructions lol

 

[Kurdquistador]

some of the Iran N representatives i posted in this thread together with the proto yamnaya reconstruction :

 

[Kurdquistador]

Bamut reconstruction was probably rather Iran LN especially . like 80% Iran LN + 20% CHG is my guess

Iran N and CHG are really cool and beautiful components seriously

i am happy to have them in my veins in big amounts

@Fuckerz where are you . check these posts out !